Decent video, I agree but its not a huge issue for me. Moviebob is going to pounce on this video like a tiger. Fingers crossed for Jim Sterling/Bob Chipman debate.
Jimquisition: Old Man Mario
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I don't fully agree with Jim here. I like to see the occasional 2 platformer, as I loved Super Mario Bros Wii. 2d platformer is a perfected art(I've never been a fan of the 3D mario games. There's just something off about them.), and I think it's good from time to time for someone to put out their best work. Mario 3 has always been one of my favorite titles so I think it's cool take and make a game out of the same vein and add co-op to it. That was a great way to spice it up, and if you have not played Mario wii with multiple players you just missed the point of the game. (as someone who has always had tons of family and friends to co-op play with , I wish we'd get a heck of alot more local co-op. I don't want to play with random people online remotely as much as my real life people I know.)
I was happy to see some retrogame gems get revisited with megaman 9 and 10. (which Capcom has now declared war on Megaman so I doubt we're going see a new X series game.) I enjoy some old school stuff sprinkled in with the batch of newer games and series. All that said there, I definitely have a point where a company is just churning out 90% of the same game and needs to put a bit more effort into it before I see another one. If nothing else wait a couple years and let me miss the game. Even if you don't change it much, give me some time to fully absorb the previous game before I get another one tossed at me so I can appreciate the differences. Hammering me with the same experience over and over in a short time period is a recipe for me to lose interest as a fan. There's plenty of worse offenders than Mario in terms of beating dead horses with little change.
I think nintendo is pushing their retro angle a bit too hard, especially with a new mario game in both barrels on 3DS and wii U. Stagger them out a bit will ya? I ultimately skip the bulk of Nintendo's systems since N64(last Zelda I gave a crap about was OoT and Link to the past. Mario cart got stale after double dash.), so I suppose i wasn't their target audience anyways. Last new system of theirs I bought was a DS. I can play Wii at my friends and that's good enough for me.
I was happy to see some retrogame gems get revisited with megaman 9 and 10. (which Capcom has now declared war on Megaman so I doubt we're going see a new X series game.) I enjoy some old school stuff sprinkled in with the batch of newer games and series. All that said there, I definitely have a point where a company is just churning out 90% of the same game and needs to put a bit more effort into it before I see another one. If nothing else wait a couple years and let me miss the game. Even if you don't change it much, give me some time to fully absorb the previous game before I get another one tossed at me so I can appreciate the differences. Hammering me with the same experience over and over in a short time period is a recipe for me to lose interest as a fan. There's plenty of worse offenders than Mario in terms of beating dead horses with little change.
I think nintendo is pushing their retro angle a bit too hard, especially with a new mario game in both barrels on 3DS and wii U. Stagger them out a bit will ya? I ultimately skip the bulk of Nintendo's systems since N64(last Zelda I gave a crap about was OoT and Link to the past. Mario cart got stale after double dash.), so I suppose i wasn't their target audience anyways. Last new system of theirs I bought was a DS. I can play Wii at my friends and that's good enough for me.
If Moviebob wants show his creative side...here's major step to showing creativity......DONT NAME EVERY SINGLE CHARACTER ON THE SHOW *INSERT NAME* THINKER.(Anti, Retro, Cryo,pyro thinker.)I could understood one as the whole evil opposite deal(I get the whole Antithinker as the Bro-core strawman.), but it's all of them.(which I won't be surprised if there's plenty more.) It makes you look not only that you are just flat out stuck on yourself(I'll name this character on my show Firstjustice, Injustice, Second Justice, Harshjustice...yeah that's lame if I did that.), but you have the creativity of Rob Liefeld. It doesn't help the side characters are Commissioner Bunnyface and Ivan. (Navi spelled backwards.)There's other stuff but that is the cherry in the turd on top of what could been an edible sunday.
How did this become a topic about Bob Chipman?
Oh, right... Mario was mentioned, and as the only person on the Internet who still likes Mario (as everyone knows those games don't sell at all) who's not allowed to express his opinion, he MUST be referred to.
Oh, right... Mario was mentioned, and as the only person on the Internet who still likes Mario (as everyone knows those games don't sell at all) who's not allowed to express his opinion, he MUST be referred to.
All well and good, but don't you think after over 25 years of constant innovation, Mario can have a break and just coast for a little bit? Besides, we weren't all alive for the beginning of Mario, so games like the New Super Mario Bros. series are great for people like myself who started around the N64 era.
I just can't get into Super Mario or any Nintendo title anymore. I got Super Mario 3D Land and was sorely disappointed. Like Jim points out, the quality is there, but the spark isn't. It's GOOD it's just not GREAT.
I used to be really 'wowed' by Nintendo games. They always make about four or five excellent games that make their consoles worth buying (I buy the handhelds for 3rd party titles), but they're counting waaaay too heavily on that these days. I was severely underwhelmed by Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword. I think that those of us that have been there since the beginning and don't have a hard on for retro gaming are getting tired. There's better stuff out there.
Will I get a WiiU? The answer is 'probably', just because I always like having all the consoles... but I don't know. I'm not looking forward to buying a next gen console with last generation graphics again. Nintendo is always stuck in the past, in more ways than one, and while I respect the hell out of them for always trying new things with their hardware, they need to remember to bump their software up as well.
I feel like this week's podcast can pretty much apply to any Nintendo game, not just Mario.
I used to be really 'wowed' by Nintendo games. They always make about four or five excellent games that make their consoles worth buying (I buy the handhelds for 3rd party titles), but they're counting waaaay too heavily on that these days. I was severely underwhelmed by Super Mario Galaxy 2 and Skyward Sword. I think that those of us that have been there since the beginning and don't have a hard on for retro gaming are getting tired. There's better stuff out there.
Will I get a WiiU? The answer is 'probably', just because I always like having all the consoles... but I don't know. I'm not looking forward to buying a next gen console with last generation graphics again. Nintendo is always stuck in the past, in more ways than one, and while I respect the hell out of them for always trying new things with their hardware, they need to remember to bump their software up as well.
I feel like this week's podcast can pretty much apply to any Nintendo game, not just Mario.
I arrived at that state well before today.
Honestly: Apart from nifty perspective hacks, I didn't even find Super Mario Galaxy to be anything other than a retread of previous 3D Mario titles (tastefully Frankensteined).
Keep in mind, these aren't BAD games. They are mechanically of high quality, visually coherent, and very polished.
But I can not care about them at all.
The best I can say about Mario games today, is that at least the new generation of gamers can play and enjoy them.
Honestly: Apart from nifty perspective hacks, I didn't even find Super Mario Galaxy to be anything other than a retread of previous 3D Mario titles (tastefully Frankensteined).
Keep in mind, these aren't BAD games. They are mechanically of high quality, visually coherent, and very polished.
But I can not care about them at all.
The best I can say about Mario games today, is that at least the new generation of gamers can play and enjoy them.
Fair enough, Mario games are a bit hackneyed - but I don't think it's fair to claim that Meat Boy is a better game, it's not - just because it's an indi game and liking an indi game is somehow edgy and unique, it doesn't change the fact that Meat Boy is just an average platformer. Seriously, I've played mario games a lot more than Meat Boy, and I'd rather play any Mario game than Meat Boy.
I'm not saying Meat Boy is a bad game, but it's damn over-rated... it's a hunk of meat, the gameplay mechanics are entirely unoriginal, we've seen everything in Meat Boy several times before. For me, Mario games are about the mechanics, the unique platforms for instance than rotate, or move, or desintigrate, or do anything more clever than just stand there. Mario games always try to be more than just platform games, Meat Boy is just a platform game. Rayman, is a well animated platform game. Neither Rayman nor Meat Boy has really brought anything new, it seems that in that marketplace, it's only Nintendo that get anywhere close to innovation. These games have a lot of polish, game mechanics that go beyond the standard 2D game, and that started with Mario. Look at Kirby as well for example - vastly under-rated platform games that have so many unique features, but most gamers dismiss Kirby games as shallow and aimed at children. In terms of game mechanics and complexity - Meat Boy is retarded compared to even Mario 2, it's no more complex than N+, it's a fluid and enjoyable game, but it's not gonna influence a whole industry.
Frankly I'm just glad that we don't already live in the grey and brown FPS world that AAA titles have created - I'm glad that we still have Mario games and the Wii and Nintendo to bring some colour to gaming. I'm especially looking forward to Pikmin3, which some people might dismiss as being aimed at kids, but actually it's about the most interesting, strategic, nostalgic, and challenging game series you'll come across. The gaming world needs Nintendo and Mario and all the influence that they bring - if it wasn't for Mario, then people might not even like platform games as much as they do - without Mario, platform games might never have evolved past Manic Miner.
I'm not saying Meat Boy is a bad game, but it's damn over-rated... it's a hunk of meat, the gameplay mechanics are entirely unoriginal, we've seen everything in Meat Boy several times before. For me, Mario games are about the mechanics, the unique platforms for instance than rotate, or move, or desintigrate, or do anything more clever than just stand there. Mario games always try to be more than just platform games, Meat Boy is just a platform game. Rayman, is a well animated platform game. Neither Rayman nor Meat Boy has really brought anything new, it seems that in that marketplace, it's only Nintendo that get anywhere close to innovation. These games have a lot of polish, game mechanics that go beyond the standard 2D game, and that started with Mario. Look at Kirby as well for example - vastly under-rated platform games that have so many unique features, but most gamers dismiss Kirby games as shallow and aimed at children. In terms of game mechanics and complexity - Meat Boy is retarded compared to even Mario 2, it's no more complex than N+, it's a fluid and enjoyable game, but it's not gonna influence a whole industry.
Frankly I'm just glad that we don't already live in the grey and brown FPS world that AAA titles have created - I'm glad that we still have Mario games and the Wii and Nintendo to bring some colour to gaming. I'm especially looking forward to Pikmin3, which some people might dismiss as being aimed at kids, but actually it's about the most interesting, strategic, nostalgic, and challenging game series you'll come across. The gaming world needs Nintendo and Mario and all the influence that they bring - if it wasn't for Mario, then people might not even like platform games as much as they do - without Mario, platform games might never have evolved past Manic Miner.
Follow moviebob's twitter feed? He's already seen the video, likes it, and he agrees to some of the points, calling a lot of them reasonable and sound. He is also not going to lose his mind over them. That's what teenagers and the emotionally immature do.hurricanejbb said:
Those who've done some living realize that people can disagree on things and not descend into verbal shouting matches. This is not 4Chan.
Probably because he is a contributor to the site who is very outspoken about how he feels about the Mario games. It's more of a case of the two people both have a show on the same site and is more likely to get into an argument. Personally I'm not interested in seeing an argument because then it's just a shit flinging contest.McMarbles said:
I think the issue lies in that no other company has done it better yet. That's what he was getting at. It's not that Mario games are same-y, it's that they are still trying to sell the same old formula when other games are already doing it better.brazuca said:
That's why he feels Dynasty Warriors is okay despite the repetition, because that kind of game hasn't been created more successfully by another developer yet.
I think that I have watched that episode , but still what kind of excuse is that ? Only because Mario has inovated he gets a free pass now ? I have heard him give shit to gears of war even if it was a really inovative game back in 06 . Also he gives much shit about HALO even thougt it inovated .Im not a fan of either franchises , but MovieBob is a hipocrate . Everything is bad except the things he likes .Gatx said:
Considering we are in the Church of Jimquisition, an amen to that!
Mario Galaxy (along with Twilight Princess & SSBB) was one of the titles i bought the Wii for close after its launch.
Mario Galaxy was fresh and fun, i realy enjoyed playing it. The last funny Mario game was Bowser's Inside story and even that only for its funny writing, considering its gameplay wasn't only copied, but had mayor flaws, like doing the same stupid sequence to reactivate one of Bowser's powers for the tenth time. Then i bought Mario Galaxy 2 and i realised i bought something like a patch for a whole game. Realy, they copy-pasted about 80% of the whole friggin game, whole worlds being exactly the same! This was beyond disappoinment and the last time i bought a Mario game, still sometimes playing one at a friend, but seldom getting hooked and never feeling it would be worth buying myself. Both Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword on the other hand sure have most of the same gameplay as the other Zelda titles, but they still were emotionally engaging and had beautiful, unique worlds.
Not to mention that 95% of all games released for the Wii are shit, 3% i spend 5-10 bucks on whenever i see them on sale somewhere and 2% being the real, good games.
To me, this is a clear indicator where Nintendo is going and the direction they are taking stinks.
Mario Galaxy (along with Twilight Princess & SSBB) was one of the titles i bought the Wii for close after its launch.
Mario Galaxy was fresh and fun, i realy enjoyed playing it. The last funny Mario game was Bowser's Inside story and even that only for its funny writing, considering its gameplay wasn't only copied, but had mayor flaws, like doing the same stupid sequence to reactivate one of Bowser's powers for the tenth time. Then i bought Mario Galaxy 2 and i realised i bought something like a patch for a whole game. Realy, they copy-pasted about 80% of the whole friggin game, whole worlds being exactly the same! This was beyond disappoinment and the last time i bought a Mario game, still sometimes playing one at a friend, but seldom getting hooked and never feeling it would be worth buying myself. Both Twilight Princess and Skyward Sword on the other hand sure have most of the same gameplay as the other Zelda titles, but they still were emotionally engaging and had beautiful, unique worlds.
Not to mention that 95% of all games released for the Wii are shit, 3% i spend 5-10 bucks on whenever i see them on sale somewhere and 2% being the real, good games.
To me, this is a clear indicator where Nintendo is going and the direction they are taking stinks.
I have no comment on MovieBob. I agree with some of the issues he brought up on The Big Picture, and while I do disagree with some of his views in that and in his movie reviews, I overall don't find him that bad. Then again, I've tried not to pay him a lot of attention since that whole Mass Effect 3 debacle.
As for Jim, I do agree with his point that Mario's really become a sad, repetitive waste. It's really shiny aesthetic with the same old mechanics that makes up every new Mario platformer, and while they're all technically 'fun' and playable, the fact that they feel so samey doesn't make me feel like I want to spend more money on a game that I feel like I already have.
Mario simply doesn't have enough between each installment to make me feel like I'm getting my $60 worth. Kinda makes me wish that they would make a new Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi game. Those were amazing.
As for Jim, I do agree with his point that Mario's really become a sad, repetitive waste. It's really shiny aesthetic with the same old mechanics that makes up every new Mario platformer, and while they're all technically 'fun' and playable, the fact that they feel so samey doesn't make me feel like I want to spend more money on a game that I feel like I already have.
Mario simply doesn't have enough between each installment to make me feel like I'm getting my $60 worth. Kinda makes me wish that they would make a new Paper Mario or Mario & Luigi game. Those were amazing.
I was sad about no LittleBigPlanet being mentioned as whooping Mario's ass. But then you failed to mention that one really awful N64 Zelda title which just felt like OoT all over again despite being set somewhere else, and all was forgiven.
I'm sure he'll stop squeeing just as soon as I finish writing this letter to John Riccitiello explaining why I love him and his company. In other words, NEVER.Soviet Heavy said:
Mario games don't cost $60.ThunderCavalier said:
Have YOU ever played Sonic Colors? I have. It's boring shit. No other game has been able to almost put me to sleep because it's so god-damn boring before, and no other game has since.SkarKrow said:
NO. iPhones suck for gaming. The controller has buttons on it, and we should be using them to control the actions at all times. I don't want to keep failing at parts of the game simply because the controls suddenly turned into soggy dog shit.Terminate421 said:
It really didn't sound like you were paying a whole lot of attention to what Jim was even talking about. He was bringing up that footage, explaining how Mario used to be more interesting and how Galaxy was the last Mario title he really truly enjoyed. And as much as I love Mario, I have to agree.trlkly said:
You seem to have quite a lot of animosity towards MovieBob. I don't think I need to defend him, but this is a topic about discussing MARIO, not a topic where you lash out at people who like Mario. Why don't you discuss MovieBob's opinion on the Mario series in the topic where he actually discusses his opinion about the Mario series? You don't seem to actually care about the topic and just want to use it as a reason to proclaim to the world your dislike of MovieBob. There are more things to discuss in relation to this topic besides one man's opinion, but that's the only thing you and a few other people in this thread seem to be interested in.Balkan said:
I shouldn't even be contributing to this shit but I'll hit the post button against my better judgement.