It's the only current gen console I own and have any desire to own. Why is it a joke?Silentpony said:
Jimquisition: The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine
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I'm honestly a little insulted by this episode. Mr. Sterling, I understand that you were just making a joke, but trying to pass off the gifts you've been mailed as some kind of "shut up, I'm right" card is nothing better than the worst kind of appeal to populism, and I expect better of you than to pass off that sort of tripe. You do not win because you have fans who send you stuff. You win because he rules of debate clearly state the person who has the pinkest tie wins, not because the tie was a gift. For shame, Mr. Sterling, for shame.
I'm confused. Which of Jim's services were being advertised by Xbox? Why was he critical before?THATS MY PURSE said:
I don't want to debate you, Jim, because you're constantly right about everything. Debating it would just be superfluous.
As for Microsoft's spin-doctoring, yeah, never forget and don't forgive 'em. Still not buying a One 'til I see something worth buying, and right now that's limited to Sunset Overdrive and whatever the next Mass Effect game is going to be.
As for Microsoft's spin-doctoring, yeah, never forget and don't forgive 'em. Still not buying a One 'til I see something worth buying, and right now that's limited to Sunset Overdrive and whatever the next Mass Effect game is going to be.
No he's made it abundantly clear that he's upset because BEFORE they backed off they lied their asses off trying to pretend like they knew what people needed or wanted (obviously they didn't) and that they "couldn't" change it. And then when they changed it (see the lie there) they then, AFTER backing off, lied about always caring about giving choice to the consumer and then acted as though they were heroes to everyone. That's what this episode was about. No one forced Microsoft to go down the route of DRM/Kinect fetish. And when people called them out on it by saying "no we don't want this" they could have had the respect to admit they were wrong, but they didn't. Jim isn't upset because they backpedaled, he's upset because they're habitual liars. Being called on bullshit doesn't give Microsoft the "okay" to pretend like it was really concerned about the customer at all. It wasn't looking out for us, it was looking out for execs and shareholders. Had they apologized, admitted their fault and then fixed things, it could have gone smoother and maybe just MAYBE people would have a reason to trust Microsoft again. But they chose not to. They showed their true colors because they thought they had people by the balls (true dictator fashion) and now that they realized that they didn't, they tried to cover it up and act like they were really just caring about us. Bullshit.theApoc said:
Your right, it should have been its own device completely separate from gaming. Although you don't have to worry about speech recognition software in the future. If you have Windows PC you can go straight to Control Panel and click 'Speech Recognition' and with the use of a microphone that's far cheaper than Kinect you can have that exact experience.
Actually even with all their excellent marketing, PS4 hasn't convinced me that its the future. Because sometimes, no amount of marketing can make something that isn't special, be special. PS4 played the Microsoft card and charged for online play acting as though they're using anything other than peer-to-peer or that they couldn't have made the money from devs just like steam does with their servers, instead of charging the end user for what clearly can be done for no extra charge. All that wonderful advertising about the new graphics didn't convince me that it was anymore necessary. Some of us know innovation when we see it. We don't need or are completely uninfluenced by advertisements. We look for evidence, proof beyond the wordplay.
Unfortunately neither device is as relevant as they want it to be. And there isn't a way to utilize these devices more than they already are. They don't use bogus/hidden tech that's exclusive to them anymore. They use x86/x64 based architecture (same as Computer) and have already been noted by several media outlets, devs and guys like Rich of ReviewTechUSA that these systems are tapped out. Devs are hitting more walls, faster than they have in any generation prior. They can barely get 1080p on games. Now that being said, I couldn't give a flip really. I'm not a "Graphics first, Gameplay last" kind of guy, but that being said it's still the case that these machines don't have any hidden features or horsepower to fall back on. Developers have already stated that much. The reason devs figured out secrets to "unlocking" the power of PS3 was because they had to learn to code with the insanely ridiculous CPU core they had on PS3. Once they figured that out (usually only done on exclusives) they could increase the power and offload resources more towards the CPU since it was the most powerful thing in the console. That just isn't going to happen on architecture that developers have been accustomed to for years (x86/x64), which is exactly what these consoles are using. And to the cloud, there have already been numerous articles as to why the cloud isn't going to redeem their lack of power in the systems.
Every bonus you just stated for the always-on part is something that could be done if a person just leaves it connected to the internet, but not having to require it. Some people don't want to have to connect to the internet to play games on a console. Over half of the 360 user base did not have XBL accounts, and so most likely were not connected to the internet at all times. Therefore, with that policy alone, Microsoft alienated half of their consumer base. The advantages, in today's world, do not out weigh the disadvantages.theApoc said:
As for the Kinect, there is also no reason to have been required, as seen by the fact that the XBone is doing better now without it. While it might add more ways to interact with the game, it should have remained an option. As with the "less fiddling about for non-gamers," I have to ask, how? Are they so brain dead to not know how to use a controller? If they're wanting to use TV, Netflix, Hulu, anything like that, shouldn't they know how to use a remote? A controller is simply a remote meant to be held for longer periods of time. So that shouldn't be the case.
There are so few advantages to the tier 1 XBone that, for so many people, do not out weigh the disadvantages. That is what's so anti-consumer about it.
Your analogy only works if a bunch of people lining the streets are shouting directions at you, but you ignore them anyway.Fasckira said:
You may have gotten it right eventually, true, but you can't pretend that you 'figured it out' for yourself.
Jim bad mouthed them because they're habitual liars. He states clearly what the problem with them is in the episode. He said that it's good that they changed, but don't trust them because of why they changed. Don't forget what they stood for and probably still stand for. They didn't change because they realized they were wrong. They lied and changed only because they couldn't get away with doing what they wanted to do originally, irrespective of how it would effect the user. You're right about one thing. They don't or won't listen to their customer, but not because they shouldn't, but because they think they know better.Imperioratorex Caprae said:
And Vita gamers share their information on a telnet BBS installed on some hacked NSA server while drinking chai latte.ex275w said:
No. That's not "the thing." That's complete and utter nonsense. I hope you don't treat actual social groups with such broad generalizations as you do plastic video game toy owners.
I simply cannot compete with Jim. Not after this. Maybe not ever and he's only now shown me why I was always a pleb.
Thank you for having mercy!
Seriously though, that Mysterio print/painting is ballin'.
Thank you for having mercy!
Seriously though, that Mysterio print/painting is ballin'.
Even though this was pretty much a repeat of last year's XBO episode, I must say the XBO is the first time I saw someone shitting the goodwill they built with their previous console in purpose. And Sony capitalized on that, leaving MS biting the dust. And I considered PS consoles as made of "unfullfilled promises" (hi, Mr. Kutaragi)
Heck, even the Wii U has more chances of picking up the slack than the XBO.
Heck, even the Wii U has more chances of picking up the slack than the XBO.
So now its literally just a PS4 that plays Titan Fall, and not Bloodborne? Whelp, I like my souls games, so suck it MS.
A lot of fools seem to have been involved in developing Windows 8 and, by extension, Xbox One and it shows. So many things the One can't do but the 360 can, not to mention the 360 generally does stuff faster. I can live with Kinect being part of the package, but the fact so little was finished or left out is ridiculous.
I defiantly appreciate the fact they've taken steps to improve the thing, but doesn't make me any happier it was in that state to start with.
Not that I trust Sony much more. They mainly seem to be getting away with stuff as they're not making quite the same howlers at Microsoft.
I defiantly appreciate the fact they've taken steps to improve the thing, but doesn't make me any happier it was in that state to start with.
Not that I trust Sony much more. They mainly seem to be getting away with stuff as they're not making quite the same howlers at Microsoft.
The thing about Microsoft has always been their desire to control user experience to an extreme. And now they finally have the technology to do it. In their mind, if you're not using something the way they intended it to be used, then you shouldn't be allowed to use it at all. That's why they're such huge advocates of cloud computing and that's why they initially designed the Xbone as the most anti-consumer device in the history of technology. It really bugs them that they had to change all of their anti-consumer policies.
But they're not evil. They are genuinely completely out of touch with reality. They actually believe that they know what is best for you better than you do. This is also why they'll never admit a mistake, and why they keep saying that Kinect is an integral part of their vision. IT IS! They're not fuckin' lying or joking. They are simply insane.
This is why I keep telling people not to buy the Xbone even if they made all the changes after the initial reveal. You just can't trust them not to screw you over again. They will revert back to the old horrible Xbone or something worse as soon as they see the opportunity. We're talking about a company that is completely enamored with the idea of cloud based EVERYTHING.
But they're not evil. They are genuinely completely out of touch with reality. They actually believe that they know what is best for you better than you do. This is also why they'll never admit a mistake, and why they keep saying that Kinect is an integral part of their vision. IT IS! They're not fuckin' lying or joking. They are simply insane.
This is why I keep telling people not to buy the Xbone even if they made all the changes after the initial reveal. You just can't trust them not to screw you over again. They will revert back to the old horrible Xbone or something worse as soon as they see the opportunity. We're talking about a company that is completely enamored with the idea of cloud based EVERYTHING.
Sooo... What if it wasn't lies?
/dodges pitchforks.
It's entirely possible that both of those key points were locked into development as key pieces to the XBone. It could be that the Kinnect was -never- intended to be removed, and that the XBox was -never- intended to be offline. A lot of really big people staked their careers on these statements. And when the backlash hit, they made it happen. They made it so that you could have the Kinnect off, and you could be offline.
Why does it have to be lies? Why can't it be a company realizing they fucked up in thinking they knew what they thought we wanted and adapted to what we told them we really wanted.
To me this feel like the conspiracy theory nutjobs that think the government is working their way into imprisoning everyone in re-education camps. It makes no sense to a rational person. As it makes no sense that a company would nuter themselves when it's easier to re-engineer to give what the customer wants.
IMHO, of course..
/dodges pitchforks.
It's entirely possible that both of those key points were locked into development as key pieces to the XBone. It could be that the Kinnect was -never- intended to be removed, and that the XBox was -never- intended to be offline. A lot of really big people staked their careers on these statements. And when the backlash hit, they made it happen. They made it so that you could have the Kinnect off, and you could be offline.
Why does it have to be lies? Why can't it be a company realizing they fucked up in thinking they knew what they thought we wanted and adapted to what we told them we really wanted.
To me this feel like the conspiracy theory nutjobs that think the government is working their way into imprisoning everyone in re-education camps. It makes no sense to a rational person. As it makes no sense that a company would nuter themselves when it's easier to re-engineer to give what the customer wants.
IMHO, of course..
Console? What are consoles? Microsoft designs an operating system, right? My PC didn't come with a kinect so I'm not sure what you're referencing here.
Are you talking about those drab boxes you used to plug into TVs and they played games without the accessibility of user-made content? Yeah, those went out the window when everyone realized that exclusivity and big budgets were just obvious tools used to try to keep game design for the elite. But nobody was fooled by that. Now everything is funded with kickstarter and available through the marketplaces accessed by any computer which I can connect to any TV in the house.
Wait... which universe am I in again? Dammit!
Are you talking about those drab boxes you used to plug into TVs and they played games without the accessibility of user-made content? Yeah, those went out the window when everyone realized that exclusivity and big budgets were just obvious tools used to try to keep game design for the elite. But nobody was fooled by that. Now everything is funded with kickstarter and available through the marketplaces accessed by any computer which I can connect to any TV in the house.
Wait... which universe am I in again? Dammit!
Not for nothin', Jim, but did we really need this episode? I'm pretty sure that for the majority of the gaming community you're preaching to the choir on this one. We all know that MS was a bunch of dirty liars when when announced the XBone...everything about their presentation and subsequent attempts at defense was based upon lies.
Now I'm not saying forgive and forget, just that the Jimquisition is normally a place to come for a new perspective - namely yours - on things. But then again, you wouldn't be the only editorial personality to do a show where you just tell everyone what they already know and want to hear parroted back to them.
Now I'm not saying forgive and forget, just that the Jimquisition is normally a place to come for a new perspective - namely yours - on things. But then again, you wouldn't be the only editorial personality to do a show where you just tell everyone what they already know and want to hear parroted back to them.