Jimquisition: The Xbox One: A Lying Failure Machine

[Nurb]

People saw this shit coming, people knew how much garbage they were shoveling, but people didn't care and bought it anyway. Same goes with the lesser amount of BS sony pulled.

Early adopters are seen as suckers by companies now, and people should learn their lesson. Anyone that bought the consoles day one deserves to be out the extra money.

 

[Knarral]

Still not buying a One 'til I see something worth buying, and right now that's limited to Sunset Overdrive and whatever the next Mass Effect game is going to be.

Considering Mass Effect:The Next One will also release on PC (and Sunset Overdrive is rumored to as well) there is really no reason to buy an Xbone. Even if SO doesn't come to PC, it's not worth buying the Xbone.

My computer isn't very good...I am shamed.

Why spend $400 on an Xbone when you can spend that $400 on PC hardware so you have a better PC? I mean, a decent "above modern console grade" PC is about $700 give or take, and from then on it's just upgrading what you already have one piece at a time whenever you feel like you have the cash to spend on it. And Steam sales means, if you wait to buy games until they're on sale, you spend WAAAAAAAAAAY less on games.

 

[Knarral]

So Jim is complaining about a situation that he and the others who are like him created? You are complaining because they backed off of creating a media device and subsequently neutered it to stop the whining of people like yourself? It had clear potential that was eliminated the moment the company started making decisions based on game reviewers and silly rant videos.

Kinect may not be ready for prime time. But it is better than it was, and it will continue to get better still. And 5 years from now, people will wonder how there was every a device that wasn't spacial aware and capable of true voice command. It was never going to be anything more than a gimmick when it comes to games, and gaming should never have been the focus of the device.

The only thing the failed to do was emphasize the strengths of the kinect as its own thing. Instead they keep trying to tie it to gaming. When many of the features that could actually make it useful are pushed off as secondary.

MS has a terrible marketing department, for all of their devices and all of their software. Not because of what they are producing, but rather because they are marketing these things as if they are following rather than innovating.

The PS4 is no more relevant than the XBOX one, and that has nothing to do with fanboys or hardware. There was no real need for current gen, and they would have been a lot better off waiting until they were able to mass produce true next gen experiences. Until developers can utilize these devices 100%, both machines are a complete waste of money.

There never will be a "true next gen experience" we are at the end of CPU and GPU performance improvements physics has beaten us.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my 1440p 120fps PC gaming experience with 2 780s.

 

[SonOfVoorhees]

Apart from the lame bash MS vid. Guess you have nothing to say this week. Thing is MS gave their speech, people moaned, MS changed to the moaners, and the moaners moaned about the changes they moaned about. This reminds me when Sony took out the backward compatibility (among other things)and it was an issue but over the years the PS3 did well because people bought the games that BC gave for free. Even on PS4 they are making money from old games. Now for me both the PS4/XB1 both fail at the moment games wise as their is no killer title. Its lame to keep beating the XB1, same as people keep beating ME3. It sucks, get over it. Its a piece of hardware, just dont buy it. People are acting like MS killed their kids.

 

[Canadamus Prime]

One has to wonder how these companies are able to still do business. The only conclusion I can come up with is that the majority of their customers are morons, or too wrapped up in instant gratification, or both. Probably both.

 

[LoneWolf83]

A lot of fools seem to have been involved in developing Windows 8 and, by extension, Xbox One and it shows. So many things the One can't do but the 360 can, not to mention the 360 generally does stuff faster. I can live with Kinect being part of the package, but the fact so little was finished or left out is ridiculous.
I defiantly appreciate the fact they've taken steps to improve the thing, but doesn't make me any happier it was in that state to start with.
Not that I trust Sony much more. They mainly seem to be getting away with stuff as they're not making quite the same howlers at Microsoft.

I'm fairly certain the video game and console development groups of Microsoft are entirely separate from the software side. They share a name and nothing else. So no one that had their hands on the One would also be working on Windows 8.

It's not the people who actually developed Windows 8 and the Xbone, it's the executives higher up in the company. The thing is: Microsoft hasn't always been this way they learned it from Apple and Apple is only able to get away with it because they have been viewed as the underdog in the desktop market and they managed to popularize smart phones and tablets. What the suits at Microsoft don't understand is they can't be another Apple, Apples ability to control the devices they sell is a fluke.

 

[youji itami]

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There never will be a "true next gen experience" we are at the end of CPU and GPU performance improvements physics has beaten us.

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my 1440p 120fps PC gaming experience with 2 780s.

The GTX 780 uses the GK110 GPU which is a chip over 2 years old (first released in 2012 on the Tesla K20) it uses 28nm manufacturing which we are still using today the successor 20nm was supposed to have appeared in 2013 then delayed to this year now it's delayed to late 2015.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Not sure what to make of this episode.

On the one hand, I don't particularly disagree with anything that has been said. But on the other hand, now that the Xbox One has changed, and to something people actually want, it does kind of seem like looking for excuses to dislike it.

I think one of the biggest bug bears is that MS said the XBOne could not function without DRM/cloud, yet its functioning fine and MS have yet to own up to that lie while once again pulling the same trick with Kinect.

One has to wonder how these companies are able to still do business. The only conclusion I can come up with is that the majority of their customers are morons, or too wrapped up in instant gratification, or both. Probably both.

or unaware, if you dont keep as uptodate with the gaming press and forums, you probably miss half these bloopers. although it does shock me that informed gamers have hopped into bed with XBOne, MS are proven unreliable with their curent gen promises. sad really

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Why does it have to be lies? Why can't it be a company realizing they fucked up in thinking they knew what they thought we wanted and adapted to what we told them we really wanted.

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I guess because so little is done by MS to address those statements of these things being integral.

 

[SnowWookie]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my 1440p 120fps PC gaming experience with 2 780s.

The GTX 780 uses the GK110 GPU which is a chip over 2 years old (first released in 2012 on the Tesla K20) it uses 28nm manufacturing which we are still using today the successor 20nm was supposed to have appeared in 2013 then delayed to this year now it's delayed to late 2015.

Which is relevant how? Who cares what the underlying hardware is? The point is that while the so-called "next gen" consoles were struggling at launch to achieve 1080p PC gamers have already moved on to bigger and better things.

And here's the best bit. I just upgraded my PC. It's better, faster, cooler and quieter than it was before and I can still play every game I own. In fact, I can go play Borderlands 2 (for example) and it looks BETTER than it did before.

 

[crackfool]

This video makes me sad. I remember back around 2008-2010, when The Escapist had truly interesting content. They had some great writers and editors (Russ Pitts, Susan Arendt), and some great (and regular) weekly columns from people who actually understand the gaming industry, like Shamus Young and JP Sherman. And then there was Extra Credits, before The Escapist drove them out and selected the worst content creator possible. These days, it seems like this site is all about the Jim Sterling brand: click bait titles, "contrarian" reviews that are all about their "edgy" scores instead of insightful critique (I remember when they refused to have review scores for this exact same reason), "whine pieces" based on straw man arguments, and pandering to reddit crowd to illicit an emotional response based on out-of-context information. I miss the days when The Escapist was all about unique articles from different perspectives. Now it's about getting upvotes on reddit, and trying to emulate Kotaku.

 

[Saltyk]

The Xbox One is a failure?

Good. I wanted it to fail. With all the various kinds of shit (to simply imply it was only bull shit would not fully illustrate the quantity) they tried to shovel down our throats while claiming it was awesome and totally for "our benefit", it needed to fail. I don't want any company to think they can get away with the sort of nonsense that Microsoft tried to pull and do well. They need to see that trying to screw your customers and lying to their faces will cause them to go elsewhere.

My only fear is that some executive will merely think that we "weren't ready" for a DRM machine and try to repeat the same mistakes in the future.

 

[Knarral]

I'm sorry, I can't hear you over the sound of my 1440p 120fps PC gaming experience with 2 780s.

The GTX 780 uses the GK110 GPU which is a chip over 2 years old (first released in 2012 on the Tesla K20) it uses 28nm manufacturing which we are still using today the successor 20nm was supposed to have appeared in 2013 then delayed to this year now it's delayed to late 2015.

Which is relevant how? Who cares what the underlying hardware is? The point is that while the so-called "next gen" consoles were struggling at launch to achieve 1080p PC gamers have already moved on to bigger and better things.

And here's the best bit. I just upgraded my PC. It's better, faster, cooler and quieter than it was before and I can still play every game I own. In fact, I can go play Borderlands 2 (for example) and it looks BETTER than it did before.

That's my point exactly. The "true next gen gaming experience" is already here. It's always been here. It's PC. It always has been, and it probably always will be.

 

[lnin0]

I like the Xbox One and enjoy Kinect voice control to manage my game playing and TV viewing. Did it live up to the hype machine MS peddled leading up to and shortly after its release - probably not...but then, what does?

I don't blame MS for having a poorly communicated vision of the future. I won't say they have a poor vision of the future because, frankly, nobody waited to see it through. Granted, I think a lot of the old management team put the cart before the horses. Misguided as they may have been, you have to realize in a huge organization there are a lot of voices deciding how things get spun.

I surely won't discount the idea that drm and digital distribution is the future. You would be an idiot to not think that is the case. Sony may have trolled MS for a quick win over the entire drm thing, but don't fool yourself, it wasn't because Sony is the gamers friend trying to stave off the death knell of physical media. They did it because, at the time, they had no answer to Microsoft's features. Features which, btw, where introduce a couple months later by Steam and people gushed with love for Valve.

I am glad to see major changes from the top down with the Xbox division - from the leads to the marketing. Not that I wish any ill will to those folks but the new team seems to have a much more gamer centric vision. So far, I like what I have seen. Does it make it all better, no but I won't fault MS for trying to right the ship, even if it did have to take on water first. Same thing happen to Sony when it launched the PS3 and they were better for it as well.

 

[jut22]

This line of thinking from Jim is what got me banned from Neo Gaf. I can provide the posts, but I was saying how, at the time of the Kinect removal, MS shouldn't be applauded for removing the Kinect when the early adopters were lied to and screwed over.

Way to speak the truth Jim.

 

[disgruntledgamer]

I'm not one to say "Thank you Sony" after every post like some PS fanboys but without the PS4s success we would of gotten the "Always Online" "TV box" Microsoft wanted, and if they ever get the monopoly the originally think they had that's what we'll end up getting and that's a scary thought......

 

[ExtraDebit]

I think microsoft's window trend is happening to their consoles department as well. Remember how we always get one good windows then one back windows then another good windows again?

win98 <--good
win me <---bad
win xp <---- good
win vista <----bad
win 7 <---good
win 8 <---bad

This is happening all over again for the consoles, it's a microsoft thing, they need to sandwich some shit between the good stuff.

 

[NuclearKangaroo]

the last couple of years ive had no shortage of reasons to hate microsoft

not only their initial plans for the xbox one were beyond disgusting and heave rightfully earned them a loser console and a whole bunch of backpedaling, but on the PC front they seem to actively poison the ecosystem, with the trainwreck that is windows 8 and the blasphemy that is GFWL

 

[Metalrocks]

lol, from hong kong. good to know im not the only one here who keeps watching escapist videos.

well, good thing i dont intend to buy a xbone since im a pc gamer anyway. but even if i would be a console gamer, i sure will stay far away from the xbone and 100% get a PS4.

 

[Atmos Duality]

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"...Without saying sorry for treating us (early adopters) like fucking idiots."

Why should they apologize to the early adopters?
They were the ones foolish enough to buy an Xbone in spite of all that was disclosed, dissected, and debunked.

If anything, Microsoft would be better if that kind of stupidity were encouraged, and they know it.

EDIT: And there's the Xbone corporate apologists right on schedule spouting the same "Media center" bullshit excuse like it ever meant anything.

Lets get one thing straight: Xbox is a gaming brand. It started as a gaming brand, it was built as a gaming brand and the mass market KNOWS it as a gaming brand thanks to 13+ years of reinforcement. So to suddenly turn around and say "it's not gaming but media in general" is not only weak, it's royally fucking stupid from a marketing perspective because it isn't playing to the brand's strengths.

Marketing it as a console with media features, now THAT makes far more sense.

Because nobody looking for a pure media box is going to sink 500 bucks on an Xbone when you can get the entire package for less than half that, or if you're looking for more bang for 500 bucks, just get it all in a PC (or smart TV if you're wealthy AND lazy).

So lets just cut the marketing bullshit and evaluate the Xbone for what it actually is: A game console with some extra media features.

 

[bug_of_war]

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Yeah, but the major difference is that it only took one instance of backlash for Sony to do a reversal. Xbox One came out, said that the DRM and Kinect were integral to the machine for months and months, only getting rid of the DRM close to launch because they realised that gamers be they casual/niche/hardcore/*insert more shit here* were all moving over to the cheaper and more favourable PS4. And as for the Kinect, it was only until their sales dropped below the Wii U (a console that was arguably marketed just as poorly) that they finally got rid of the machine that was making it more expensive than the PS4. The big difference here is that Sony listened instantly, Microsoft did not.

OT:

Yeah dude...we're all quite aware that Microsoft have been pretty shitty as of late, your previous videos are still up on this site, this kinda just seems like a re-tread to make up for a majority of people disagreeing with you on your last video.