Jimquisition: Watch Dogs - Five Collector's Editions For One Game? What? F*$%ing WHAT?

[Blood Brain Barrier]

Can't agree with Jim this week. Why blame Ubisoft for taking advantage of consumer habits? This is a business. It's only stupid if people don't buy it. If they do, it's clever. The real question is, who buys this shit? A plastic fucking statue of a character in the game - really? Anyone over 12 who buys that (and they should all be over 12 considering how much it costs) should be ashamed of themselves. I mean, how many hours does of work it take to make $100? 6 or 7 at best? Do you really want to work almost a whole day to get a piece of junk toy in exchange for your efforts?

 

[weirdee]

Well, all I need to know about this is from one of their various "collector" items: Aiden's "iconic cap". First off, the game hasn't even come out yet, and they're acting like it's the next Deus Ex or something, just because they had a cool looking first trailer (which has been blown off by the most recent ones anyway), so they haven't even established their game as a classic or anything, and then we have Aiden, a character that's supposed to BLEND IN as an everyman who lurks in the city, even though his fucking trenchcoat is as much a disguise as one of those stupid red/white assassin cloaks (also published by Ubisoft), but they decide to point out his cap instead, which is probably cheaper, easier to pack, and less of a fashion disaster, but which is nondescript as fuck, as a lasting legacy of his soon to be immortal image of a fucking nobody.

This is what Ubisoft is now.

Also, I'm done listening to their "exclusive content" line, since they just give everything away in the GOTY pack most of the time anyway.

Even Titanfall was just okay after a while...way to kill the excitement, guys.

sidenote: did anybody notice that they put mission objectives in the game as "suggested actions"? i really hope that's just some flavor text or something in the context of the game because that's messed up.

 

[zumbledum]

so basically only pirates get the complete game we pay for, fuck em , reap what you sow and no mercy here.

 

[igor2201]

No everyone can get the entire game simply by buying the standard edition and the season pass.(besides the playstation exclusive content if your platform is pc or xbox) All this complaining about different versions is literally about the physical items. Which is kind of ironic since everyone is bashing collector's editions and the physical items they come with. Jim failed to mention this point inciting unfounded outrage.

Another episode of pandering Jim. Come on man you are better than this. You owe your viewers better reporting. I mean I like you, and your views a lot, but at least present clear facts man. Now you have people in this thread claiming piracy is the only option to aquire all the in game content in your video thread because of your incomplete facts during your rant, which is simply not true. This serves no purpose but to have publishers ignore anything you say as a advocate of piracy and a spreader of FUD.

Please, please, please for the integrity of your show, clearly report the full facts.

To the people in here complaining about the people who do buy collector's editions. Its very nice of you to judge people's motivations for buying them with thier hard earned money. If people want to by CEs, its literally no ones buisness but thiers. When you become lord of the Earth and run a fascist empire you can make those decisions for people, until then keep your judgments to yourself. This is a hobby and everyone will invest and enjoy it differently.

 

[IRNLawnmower]

Ubisoft are putting every fucking egg in existence into the Watch Dogs baskets. God help them if that game ends up flopping.

 

[Olas]

I'm having trouble finding a way to express my disdain for this episode that wouldn't just devolve into me ranting about how people are basically complaining that they have so much money they'll have to buy two $100 dollar versions of a game to get all the collectables things they want.

But I can't.

You know what pisses me off? People who complain about people who complain about first world problems. Ya, of course the problems of the average American will inevitably seem trivial when you directly compare them to that of someone thousands of miles away in Sierra Leone. So fucking what? I don't live in Sierra Leone and as such I don't view things by the same standards as someone who does. Why should I? Are you saying I'm supposed to get overjoyed every time I turn on a faucet and water comes out? I've lived my entire life in the first world, it's the only kind of life I've ever directly experienced. Does that mean I'm never supposed to get upset about anything ever?



Ya, sure it's good to maintain some perspective when shit really hits the fan and you think you're going to lose it. But if people never took issue with seemingly trivial things, those trivial things would never get solved and we'd still have to deal with them.

And to address the more on topic part of your point: no, people are not complaining about having enough money to buy all the collectables for a game, they're complaining that the content that used to simply be packaged with the default game is now being removed from it and spread thin across many different versions so that no sane person on a budget could ever get to enjoy half of it. You may find that to be a trivial thing to care about, but then what are you doing in this thread?

 

[InfernalPaladin]

For once, based just off the title of the video I was actually geared up to disagree with Jim.

Buuuut.... nope, I still agreed.

Collectors editions for a new IP, I can see how that could be a good thing. If the dev is well respected, and you have seen enough pre-release in-engine footage to make up your mind on the game, I can see how having an option for a collectors edition is a good idea.

However; 5 Collectors editions? That's a little over the top. A better idea would have been just a single one that only came with the Aiden statuette - because people (like myself) can justify the extra cost for a physical memento of the game. Heck, I bought the $160 DkSII collectors, with the figurine, when it was first announced, then had to go through all the delays. It was still worth it. (ignoring the fact that I knew what the IP was - it was the best personal example I had)

The other point was the practice of holding up content basically as a ransom, and the only way to get it is by purchase at a certain store - or even worse when it's platform exclusive. This is a business practice that should go die in a fire (excuse the hyperbole). It paints the publisher in a really bad note, it shows that they care more about profit than their consumer base.

Come on Ubisoft. You're really making it all too easy to agree with Jim.

 

[pearcinator]

I pre-ordered it cos I have nothing to play and Watch Dogs is the only interesting looking game coming out at the moment.

I will admit that I bought the 'Vigilante Edition' because the mask and hat look pretty cool (plus I need a new hat). Do I like how there are 5 editions? Hell No; but at least I feel like I bought the right edition for me (I don't want, nor care about a stupid statue)

The game should still look pretty sexy on my PC too!

 

[Demonchaser27]

This game has gone from hyping bullshots to just downright silly. But let's be honest, giving fans what they want isn't why there doing completely nonsensical, anti-consumer collector editions. There doing this so they can get double-dippers and if you're unwilling to double-dip now, don't worry they'll be saving the all-inclusive "complete edition" for next year where they finally release all the game's content onto one disc/digital medium.

I'm getting really tired of the game industry's tricks. Always trying to mess with customers, just in a different way. It's why I've been just constantly playing old games and haven't even really bought but 1 new game in over a year. Hell, I wouldn't have even played Pokemon Y if it weren't for that free nintendo giveaway thing. I wasn't too pleased with that game either. Glad I got it free.

 

[Apl_J]

I'm beginning to think gaming consumers deserve this type of marketing. Nevermind the children, casual consumers, or idiots who fall prey to hype and dazzle, but there are literally people buying these who know this is an escalating issue and refuse to do or say anything about it all because they just want to play the game in question. No amount of exposé articles or internet whining is going to change Ubisoft or EA's behavior when you still hand over your money in the end.

 

[Demonchaser27]

And the saddest thing of all is there will be one place where you can get ALL the bonus content in one.... piracy!

Kinda pathetic that the people who aren't even paying for it are getting the better more complete version of something.

Yeah, well sadly when you have the anti-consumer market we have somebody's gotta fix their mistakes. Unfortunately it has to be these people.

 

[Demonchaser27]

I just want to point out that if you actually read the spreadsheet, you'd notice that outside of the playstation exclusive content, the standard edition game and season pass nabs you all content for the game thats locked out in "special editions"

Everyone seems to be ignoring the fact that all the stuff you cant get using those 2 items are physical things.

Yeah but you also end up paying more for no reason.

 

[Excludos]

Let me guess. If I download this game like a scummy pirate, I will get all of the contents without paying extra and buying several different collectors editions?

Boy the gaming industry sure is making it hard for me to support them.

 

[Techno Squidgy]

I was really hopeful for this game.

So let's see, they've gimped the graphics and now you can't buy the full game at all without spending maybe twice or three times as much as you should.

HOW IS IT POSSIBLE TO FUCK UP THE RELEASE OF A GAME SO BADLY?! GOD DAMN IT UBISOFT I WAS REALLY EXCITED FOR THIS ONE.

 

[Demonchaser27]

Heh ... they offer us choice ... thank you great and powerfull overlords, but i would invoke the assassins creed black flag route I'm sure the high seas will eventualy lead me to a complete version of the game that has every piece of content you retarded fuckwits cut out and portioned off to try and get extra money ...

Because of course they will sell every piece of content as DLC so you pay money for the collectors edition, then pay more money for the Season Pass, and you top it all off with extra cash to get all the other launch day content your version didn't have. It's ESO all over again ... this is starting to become a trend ... well at least my wallet sudenly became safe because ironicaly the game's industry doesn't want my money anymore ...

You know what the sad thing is? Dimwited fuckwits will buy the game the moment it arrives, hell preorders are probably out allready on steam and on other platforms ... fucking retarded people who can't tell the soap falling on the floor is just a decoy for the big publishers to take out their gold plated *redacted* and shove them up their *redacted*. I'm just waiting to see what the day one sells and preorder sells are so I can do some simple math and find out how many idiots are out there.

Yeah I agree. In fact I would argue that choices aren't given, they are created/made by the individual making them. So a corporation telling us our options aren't really helping us in anyway, they are just helping themselves.

And as for people, I was already losing a lot of faith anyway, but I've lost almost all of it since the almost unanimous acceptance of Pokemon Bank, not the idea of extra box space (which in all fairness could've fit in the cartridge anyway), but the bribing away (robbing) of the ability to trade old mons' from older versions unless you pay an indefinite fee. Irrespective of how cheap it is, it's the priniciple of it. The fact that they took hostage a feature innate to all previous pokemon games before it, gen trading, and put it behind a paywall and almost everyone accepted it just kind of disgusted me. So I'm not getting any new pokemon games from here on out, unless its for free like I got Y version.

 

[Demonchaser27]

I'm beginning to think gaming consumers deserve this type of marketing. Nevermind the children, casual consumers, or idiots who fall prey to hype and dazzle, but there are literally people buying these who know this is an escalating issue and refuse to do or say anything about it all because they just want to play the game in question. No amount of exposé articles or internet whining is going to change Ubisoft or EA's behavior when you still hand over your money in the end.

Yeah probably the thing that bothers me most about society today, is the lack of sane individuals who stand up for anything. Just so long as they get "some" form of entertainment they'll just shut their mouths and say nothing. Even going as far as to defend these companies.

 

[Yopaz]

Is there a console collectors edition that makes it run at 60FPS in 1080p? They should make the "Broken promises" edition or maybe just the "You are a gullible fool" edition for per-orders.

"Broken Promises" and "Gullible Fool" sound like the names of "episodic dlc," don't they?

Is this why the game was delayed? In order to get all this "extra content" finished?

If i ever make a game those are the DLCs given to the season pas buyers.

Why not include "Company Retreat" and "Christmas Bonuses" while you're at it?

OT: I have decided to get the Wii U version (if I get it at all) so I know how well the game gets received like half a year before it's out. They have convinced me not to get the collector's edition already, maybe they'll give me enough reasons to not get it before it's 50% off too. We'll see, come on Ubisoft, you might even convince me not to get it at all if you keep this up.

 

[Metalrocks]

i actually like specials editions if they have things in it i like. i do like sculptures and soundtracks. the latest special edition was black list and i actually enjoyed it. the statue is nice, the comic was nearly 100 pages and comfortable to read. i wanted to get AC4 but no, hong kong does not like CE so they dont bother selling them.
but i do agree that 5 editions is stupid. i lost interest in this game anyway. after seeing angry joes interview that other players can join in, was the last straw for me to skip it entirely.

 

[Insideout Ink Demon]

Snip

You'll notice after ME2, ME 3 didnt not get a preorder, haha.
I'm wondering, will you have enough faith in CD Red, to preorder W3 earlier than you did W2?

 

[Yopaz]

And as for people, I was already losing a lot of faith anyway, but I've lost almost all of it since the almost unanimous acceptance of Pokemon Bank, not the idea of extra box space (which in all fairness could've fit in the cartridge anyway), but the bribing away (robbing) of the ability to trade old mons' from older versions unless you pay an indefinite fee. Irrespective of how cheap it is, it's the priniciple of it. The fact that they took hostage a feature innate to all previous pokemon games before it, gen trading, and put it behind a paywall and almost everyone accepted it just kind of disgusted me. So I'm not getting any new pokemon games from here on out, unless its for free like I got Y version.

I don't know where you've been since I saw a whole lot of complaints over them charging 5 dollars a year for Pokebank, but sure, let's say it was accepted by most.

Pokebank didn't simply offer more boxes and not having those boxes isn't a big deal anyway. There are currently 719 Pokemon. There are 930 boxes meaning if you have managed to catch all and you for some reason decided to have ever stage of evolution for all the Pokemon that evolves you'd still be left with 211 open spaces to use for breeding. Considering the amount of spaces, the fact that you won't actually need Charmander, Charmeleon and Charizard to take up 3 different spaces you got enough boxes in the core game.

So why does Pokemon Bank even exist? Why would anyone want to close the game just to access a single Pokemon then open the game to use that Pokemon if there's a simpler way? The thing is people wouldn't. There is no reason to use Pokemon Bank if you just play one game. It's there for transferring between games. Now let's look at transferring Pokemon between games. What do I need to transfer my Victini from Pokemon White to White 2. Well, I need another console for starters. Getting one now would mean either a DSi, 3DS or 2DS, the cheapest (new) one (using Amazon.com) is the 2DS which I can get for 110 dollars. That's as much as it would cost me to get 22 years of Pokemon Bank. Clearly they must be ripping me off here!

Then there's the process of transferring Pokemon using Pokemon Bank versus the process of trading individual Pokemon. Have you ever tried trading 100 Pokemon from one DS to another? First you need to get a number of Pokemon you don't want, this used to be accomplished by catching tons of Pidgey and Ratata since they were more common than dirt and easy to catch. This would still take you some time, but regardless of how tedious it was you'd still be able to get all your Pokemon over so it was worth the effort. Then after catching all those 30 Pokemon (you were supposed to get 100+, but you got sick after one Pidgey kept refusing to get caught and you killed it using Hyperbeam) there's the trading.

One at a time. Wathing the same animation over and over. Getting told the same message over and over. Saving the game after each Pokemon has been transferred. Being kind and optimistic here we could estimate that this takes at least 1 minute each time. So after just a few hours you have been able to transfer all err most at least some of your beloved Pokemon. Granted you didn't encounter any connection errors causing the changes to be reverted and made you start the process of booting up, searching for a system and transferring Pokemon over again in the same time consuming process.

So... it did take some time, but at least it only cost you 100 bucks!

What about Pokemon Bank then? How long do you have to spend transferring those 100 Pokemon? About the same amount it would take to move those Pokemon from box 1, 2, 3 and 4 to box 5, 6, 7 and 8 actually. That's somewhere around 5 minutes or so?

So what you're saying here is that 5 minutes of tedious moving and on top of that we have to PAY for it? No way! I'll stick with the 100 dollar method and spend hours. I can't understand how anyone would accept paying such vast amount of money (5 dollars) just to avoid the hours of throwing ultra balls at level 2 Pokemon and then watching an animation that is overly time consuming 100 times.