Jimquisition: Who "Won" The Next-Gen Launch?
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Kinda defeated by your own comment there. While Wind Waker HD is an absolutely fantastic game, it is still a tech demo. But you know what I'm glad that is what the did for a tech demo, we have reached the point in consoles that their power increase means nothing in terms of gameplay. Wind Waker HD is a Wii U tech demo showing off/nintendo experimentation of the Wii U's visual capabilities but unlike most other tech demos it's a remake of a beloved and proven game.Colt47 said:
I'm going to have to agree. It's the only console out of the three that I actually feel like like buying for the holidays, I probably wont, because money is a thing, but if I were to rush out and get a new console, Wii U would definitely be it. While Nintendo does it's fair share of bullcrap, I agree with them on a few key points, such as used games. Being stuck in the past isn't always such a bad thing.
I've got the same sort of mindset here. As a PC gamer, I find that Sony and Microsoft mostly seem to compete against PC gaming. Having a gaming PC lessens the need for a Playstation, and makes an Xbox almost completely redundant. Nintendo on the other hand, makes a much better complement. They make a different brand of games than whats found on the PC for when you want to veg out on the couch and engage in some nostalgia (I played Nintendo and Sega games growing up). Even though I don't play it that often I've never regretted buying a Wii first, which ended up being my only console from last gen.Korihor said:
I (as well?) still think the capabilities of consoles are mostly defined by their games and by that in a way, yes, the Wii U still has kind of a lead right now.
But honeslty, i just looked up the entire list of games currently released and announced for the Wii U and it has exactly 1 (in words "one", singular) original title... which is Zombie U. The rest is sequels above same old series titles above spinnoffs above remakes for the console of games already released on others - and, no shit, i just saw a documentary released this year in which Miamoto himself said "Nintendo would always try to do something 'new'". Congratulations for this awesome "win of the console wars", with yet another feature barely used in half their games and even less used well (the Wii U GamePad, but at least they kinda get how to use the WiiMote right now) and for finaly providing up to date services. And what would that tell us about the current state of consoles?!
I could stress everytime that Nintendo "made me a gamer" and that it will always have at least a nostalgic value for me, but right now my device of choice is a PC, period.
But honeslty, i just looked up the entire list of games currently released and announced for the Wii U and it has exactly 1 (in words "one", singular) original title... which is Zombie U. The rest is sequels above same old series titles above spinnoffs above remakes for the console of games already released on others - and, no shit, i just saw a documentary released this year in which Miamoto himself said "Nintendo would always try to do something 'new'". Congratulations for this awesome "win of the console wars", with yet another feature barely used in half their games and even less used well (the Wii U GamePad, but at least they kinda get how to use the WiiMote right now) and for finaly providing up to date services. And what would that tell us about the current state of consoles?!
I could stress everytime that Nintendo "made me a gamer" and that it will always have at least a nostalgic value for me, but right now my device of choice is a PC, period.
You might be right, I always thought that they changed their name to Gamestop in the US and it remained unchanged to Canada, New Zealand and Australia.Aardvaarkman said:
But once more I have no idea, but the Australian one did return a tweet of mine which was cool.
Hopefully I can get the first batch of PS4s coming out over here. ^_^
Out of all three consoles, the WiiU offers both the most unique gaming experience and will have the most exclusive titles that I can't play on my PC (well, legally).
That, to me, is the most important part of this generation (again, to me personally).
That, to me, is the most important part of this generation (again, to me personally).
I don't know man. To me, the WiiU offered little in newness, where it just felt like a big 3DS with basically the same OS on it, and besides that, it only really offered ZombieU at its launch as something worth getting. I'm by no means against the WiiU, I think it does have some good games for it at the moment and I know of two down the line that would make me actually get my own if either I or my brother moved out, meaning his WiiU is no longer for my use. However, I don't see how it, at its launch, was any better than either the Xbox One or the PS4, because so little was actually new. That's just my thoughts.
Oh Jimmy i've bet on a loser before.Estelindis said:...Did not see *that* coming. Entertaining video, though I'm in no position to make the kind of evaluation that you did, Jim. I regard these console wars from the PC-gaming sidelines.
Turbo g.
3d0.
I've respected the plucky young under dog, cause i wanted to get the F. away from nintendo LOL.
I'll not be going back now when that monster is almost dead.
All my respect as always. ^^.
Nah, I'm definitely not with you.
If you're buying a new generation console for the kids, with no expectation of a sizable catalog half a decade down the line; something to play every week for a couple of months, with games out today, the WiiU is the way to go. Or the Wii really, if you don't have one.
But for most people who buy Xbone / PS4, or have it bought for them, they'll want a better lifespan from the systems. They will likely end up with catalogs that dwarf the WiiU's catalog within the year, probably full of utterly fantastic games, with range and scope beyond what you'll see on WiiU; I believe, because of developers shying away from riskier development ventures, or development at all (vis a vis, sales), on the console. Riskier, when we're talking about a Nintendo console, being a narrow term, in comparison to PS4 and Xbone's "risky" titles.
Though, that the WiiU can output at 1080p this generation, and the Xbone cannot, is just absurdly brilliant. If only as a vote against the retardation of progress in screen technology, that Microsoft seem to be eagerly endorsing, the WiiU is a fine choice.
If you're buying a new generation console for the kids, with no expectation of a sizable catalog half a decade down the line; something to play every week for a couple of months, with games out today, the WiiU is the way to go. Or the Wii really, if you don't have one.
But for most people who buy Xbone / PS4, or have it bought for them, they'll want a better lifespan from the systems. They will likely end up with catalogs that dwarf the WiiU's catalog within the year, probably full of utterly fantastic games, with range and scope beyond what you'll see on WiiU; I believe, because of developers shying away from riskier development ventures, or development at all (vis a vis, sales), on the console. Riskier, when we're talking about a Nintendo console, being a narrow term, in comparison to PS4 and Xbone's "risky" titles.
Though, that the WiiU can output at 1080p this generation, and the Xbone cannot, is just absurdly brilliant. If only as a vote against the retardation of progress in screen technology, that Microsoft seem to be eagerly endorsing, the WiiU is a fine choice.
I actually agree with Jim. Thing is, while the Wii U had its hardware foibles, it's had a year to deal with them, and unless I missed something, a Wii U received this year is nearly guaranteed to work out of the box. Both the new systems have had hardware failures, albeit a small percentage, which is scary to a buyer of a machine costing 400 or 500 dollars.
Unlike the others, the Wii U had a large library provided at launch via original Wii compatibility, and this year it got a few more good titles (Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World), and has more coming down the pipelines.
The Xbox One, from what I'm hearing, has a decent launch lineup, but without back compatibility, it doesn't have the advantage its predecessor enjoyed. Playstation 4 is awesome, and finding one is very difficult (over here we've been jokingly calling it "Unicorn", it's so hard to find one), but also, no back compatibility, which is even worse for it than the XBox because, in my mind at least, it really doesn't have many of its own exclusives released, and, as far as I know, its good ones won't be released until next year.
Of course, the new ones are, well, new, and new hardware sometimes has problems out the gate. A year from now, both those new consoles will be in a better situation barring the unforseen.
Unlike the others, the Wii U had a large library provided at launch via original Wii compatibility, and this year it got a few more good titles (Wind Waker HD, Super Mario 3D World), and has more coming down the pipelines.
The Xbox One, from what I'm hearing, has a decent launch lineup, but without back compatibility, it doesn't have the advantage its predecessor enjoyed. Playstation 4 is awesome, and finding one is very difficult (over here we've been jokingly calling it "Unicorn", it's so hard to find one), but also, no back compatibility, which is even worse for it than the XBox because, in my mind at least, it really doesn't have many of its own exclusives released, and, as far as I know, its good ones won't be released until next year.
Of course, the new ones are, well, new, and new hardware sometimes has problems out the gate. A year from now, both those new consoles will be in a better situation barring the unforseen.
Good points, it's a shame I'll never play those awesome Mario and Donkey Kong games you showcased. Oh well, back to playing Wing Commander 4. I've decided to revisit classic space simulators while waiting for this generation to show me any of the systems are worth buying.
We've seen our dear Jimothy running around with a dragon dildo duct-taped to his face. It's well established that Jim really doesn't give a damn about his public image. But I'm not sure how this ruins his credibility as a journalist exactly.Cid SilverWing said:
I'd have to say I'd agree Jim. I look at the kind of graphics the Wii U is packing, then I look at the kind of graphics the other two are packing, and... the difference really isn't apparent to me. People were speaking about how much of an upgrade the PS4 and Xbox one would be, and while I'm sure developers appreciate the extra wiggle room, as a consumer it makes little to no actual difference. When the Xbox 360 and PS4 came out they were leading the charge with graphics; pcs at the time were only about as powerful as the brand new consoles. But now the consoles are at an awkward stage where we've already seen what the next tier of console graphics will be like. On PC. There is literally nothing these consoles can offer me in terms of gaming that I can't get by plugging their controllers into my PC and running a game that was ported over.
The Wii U however, decided it wasn't going to be a lesser PC and did it's own thing. I believe Sony and Microsoft are making a bit of a misstep by trying to make a console to compete with what's already out there. Wii U doesn't try to compete with my PC experience with the same foolhardy as the other two. It compliments it.
But with that said, the PS4 and the supposed Vita TV integration it will have has me extremely interested in what they will bring to the table. The features it presents seem legitimately useful to me, and Sony really seems to have their crap together this generation. I'll seriously consider picking one up sometime down the line when they have a good selection of games. The Xbox One however... I might be a little bit biased since the Xbox 360 left a bitter taste in my mouth with the way Microsoft handled their dashboards and marketplace.
"B-but Nintendo games are all the same!" is the argument I see trotted out of the mouths of people who clearly haven't played a Nintendo game for a decade.
Because "recognizable as the same franchise" is the exact same as changed nothing, I guess?Andy of Comix Inc said:
Nintendo games remain recognizable as being in the same series from entry to entry but often change or sets the games around entirely new or changed mechanics.
I gotta call bullshit on that part because there was a series of enemies with electric rods/shields designed to punish that play style exactly as well as enemies immune to horizontal slashes, so unless your entire experience was running through the forest slashing at baba stems you're talking out your ass. And metal gear rising, while very fun, had exactly one boss that required precision cuts, and one point in the game where they point out you can cut off people's hands only for a keycard (or you could just go cut the door down) everything else just let you mash the slice for a cathartic finish.cursedseishi said:
That said, the plugin wiimotion+ addon was shit, and you need the built in motion+ controllers to get the most out of the game. With that, you calibrate once when you turn on the system so it knows how far you are from the sensor and you're good to go all day.