Jimquisition: Why PC Gaming Gets Away With It

[Machine Man 1992]

Actually, the debate was over and done with by the time Ultratinkle butted in.

No it wasn't you ended with (see quote) before Ultratwinkie began. Shame for the Ad Hominem you were doing so well...

Honestly? Switching to consoles was my dad's idea. He's the IT person of the household, and he thinks the universal system requirements are what makes consoles "better".

Granted that was back in the PS2 era, but still.

That was 13 years ago when consoles were still practical, before they needed a internet connection to get the proper firmware updates before you can run a game.

Misspellings don't count, and it wasn't within the context of the argument. So, I'm still gonna call that a moral victory, I guess.

Was it really thirteen years ago? I feel old now, thanks!

 

[evilneko]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that. Again, the openness of the PC platform dictates that gates have to be closed somewhere. The fact that you can just literally copy the files of old PC games over with absolutely no hassle at all really does make DRM a necessity, and since it is all circumvented eventually anyway, it makes making that DRM appealing in some way to buy into even more of a necessity. Steam's greatest achievement is that it has made people WANT games to use Steam; it has made people WANT a DRM-flavoured copy of their games. Huh.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that. Again, the openness of the PC platform dictates that gates have to be closed somewhere. The fact that you can just literally copy the files of old PC games over with absolutely no hassle at all really does make DRM a necessity, and since it is all circumvented eventually anyway, it makes making that DRM appealing in some way to buy into even more of a necessity. Steam's greatest achievement is that it has made people WANT games to use Steam; it has made people WANT a DRM-flavoured copy of their games. Huh.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

Not that I'd deny that I did pirate games once upon a time (no longer), and that modwrath is actually faced not for mere admission of piracy but for the appraisal or encouragement of piracy, but, um... where? When I said I lent my friends a copy of my game? That's not piracy...?

 

[evilneko]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

Not that I'd deny that I did pirate games once upon a time (no longer), and that modwrath is actually faced not for mere admission of piracy but for the appraisal or encouragement of piracy, but, um... where? When I said I lent my friends a copy of my game? That's not piracy...?

Right there, where I bolded. You're giving copies of a game you don't own copyright to to multiple other people. That's copyright infringement, also known as piracy, albeit on a very small scale.

And with FO3, you could've all been playing these copies at once.

 

[Andy of Comix Inc]

So, basically, "PC is an open platform that needs the added security. Consoles are closed platforms that do not deserve any more security."

I'm still mad that retail PC games just come with Steam codes now. I remember being able to install... hell. Even Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once, and now everything is bolted to a single account instead. Fair enough, I guess, there's a demand for Steampowered games, but... yeah. I'm still annoyed about that.

I guess people like me installing Fallout 3 on multiple people's computers at once are sort of what justified that.

I guess you're lucky that you didn't get modwrath for your admission of piracy there...

Not that I'd deny that I did pirate games once upon a time (no longer), and that modwrath is actually faced not for mere admission of piracy but for the appraisal or encouragement of piracy, but, um... where? When I said I lent my friends a copy of my game? That's not piracy...?

Right there, where I bolded. You're giving copies of a game you don't own copyright to to multiple other people. That's copyright infringement, also known as piracy, albeit on a very small scale.

And with FO3, you could've all been playing these copies at once.

I lent them the game, geez. I didn't distribute installs on a USB drive or anything. They probably played it all at once - I actually bought it along my brother for the purpose of playing it both at the same time. I didn't read the EULA though. Presumably it does tell me I'm not allowed to do that.

It is not download piracy though. And like I said, I'm not endorsing it. I didn't like FO3 at all, to the point where I never played it, so I lent it to friends to feel like I got my money's worth. That's it, really.