Judge Awards Sony With Visitor IDs of PS3 Hacker's Website
- Thread starter Tom Goldman
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This....seems like it shouldn't be legal. Oh Sony, it seems like every time I consider buying a PS3 I see one of these stories and think better of it.
Funny thing is Sony will just turn around and say "look at our diminishing sales since the jailbreak" and use that as evidence that the jailbreak did a lot of harm when in fact it'd probably just be a hefty amount of people avoding Sony products out of utter disgust at the way they're handling the whole situation.
Been there. I don't remember if I commented on the Youtube video. I live in Canada so I would like to see them knock on my door about it. Especially when they find out I don't have a PS3 but rather an Xbox 360.
Ohhh, man. You guys are looking at this completely wrong. Lawsuits? That's so 20th century. Sony wants that information for an injunction to force each and every person who saw the hack to undergo neurosurgery to make them forget it. And if they lose the piano lessons or Mom's last birthday party, well, THAT'S WHAT THEY GET FOR BEING DIRTY DIRTY PIRATES.
More realistically, though, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony decided to compare the information to their PSN members and start banning anyone who matches from the network for "illegal activities".
More realistically, though, I wouldn't be surprised if Sony decided to compare the information to their PSN members and start banning anyone who matches from the network for "illegal activities".
True, it's a stretched analogy, but the fundamental principle is the same. Of course, in this case they're mostly just trying to prove that enough people involved live in California to try the case there.Tom Goldman said:
On the scale of 1-10 on the Evil-O-Meter, this ranks about a 0.4.
Actually, there are legal grounds for these subpoenas. It's tenuous, but so is much of the law.qazmatoz said:
And the straw man makes an early appearance.manythings said:
How do they differ? The man involved in watching an accident does nothing, merely comments and moves on. The man watching the Youtube video doesn't have to hack his PS3 to be involved in the case, he merely has to watch the video. Sony's contention is that a crime was committed, and in order to get their preferred venue (California), they have to prove that the citizens of California were involved.
Frankly, you should all get used to this kind of jurisdictional wrangling, since it's only going to get more common in the future.
And a valid point from the Peanut Gallery.The_root_of_all_evil said:
Not "anyone that's ever walked past the site", just "anyone that's walked past the site in the past 2 years", which frankly is a bit of a stretch. Anyone who visited the site after the jailbreak info was posted, however, is probably a valid target for the information that Sony is trying to gather.
I'm pretty sure that they don't need that level of information to basically do a tally of viewers of the material, and get a percentage for number of hits originating in California. Hell, google analytics will tell you that info for your site - can't they just request a freaking google analytics/whatever for the period in question, plus a little either side for comparison?
Yeah, ostensibly, but the issue is that it's too broad a request that has been granted. I mean, I'd hope you'd take issue if, in their investigation to track down a shop lifter, the police demanded addresses, telephone numbers, bank account details and credit card numbers from all the customers who visited a store within the last 2 years. It's just OTT when the sort of information they actually need to support their case can be, as I've mentioned above, be gathered cohesively and comprehensively in an anonymous format very easily.bahumat42 said:
Woop Woop! That's the sound of da police! Looks like it's time for me to retreat to my cabin in the canadian hinterland and live off the grid until this all blows over. Shouldn't have read the news article on the Escapist!
