Why? Dude is accused (and refuses to go to court) of rape. Disliking him seems like the sensible option to me.NoneOfYourBusiness said:The more people dislike him, i like him more.
Why? Dude is accused (and refuses to go to court) of rape. Disliking him seems like the sensible option to me.NoneOfYourBusiness said:The more people dislike him, i like him more.
Yeah, I think I jumped to conclusions there. I've edited my post. However, the fact that he refuses to go to court makes me guess that he is guilty. Just a guess of course.Henkie36 said:You should probably know that something counts as sexual assault in Sweden when it's unprotected sex without informing her prior to it, which was probably the case here.ArnRand said:Julian Assange is a prick. First of all, the guy sexually assaults two women
Also, you'd be wise to take a milder tone. We have a justice system here in Europe where you are innocent until proven guilty. He hasn't been proven guilty yet, and the only reason he is still in the media is because he released something the US government would ruther have he didn't.
Please give me a source suggesting the sexual assualt is dubious. I don't think you saying it's been swept under the carpet is a valid argument.Me55enger said:Almost entirely disagree.
I believe that question of sexual assault to be dubious, as has been pointed out by the flaws in the maids accounts. It has been awhile however, since I have heard this confirmed by a reliable source, as it seems to have bee swept under the carpet.
There is even a debate as to whether what it was he did can be deemed sexual assault or merely the woman being pedantic over consent. This is a paraphrase and in no way reflects my opinion of sexual assault and rape; it is merely a discussion I am aware is being had, in some areas.
I wholeheartedly believe that should be be extrodited to Sweden, he will be on the first unmarked plane to the US where he will never be heard form again.
But thats what you get from knocking the worlds biggest collective Ego down a few pegs.
I think it counts as rape in Sweden if you have sex without protection and without informing the other partner that you are not using protection, which i think might have happened, also the case was dropped and was all around done, just seems a bit too suspicious for that to come back now, I think he refuses to go to court because it is obvious England will send him to US, and you know the legal system there will all around find some way to put him in quantamo bay...ArnRand said:Why? Dude is accused (and refuses to go to court) of rape. Disliking him seems like the sensible option to me.NoneOfYourBusiness said:The more people dislike him, i like him more.
It counts as rape in Sweden if you rape someone. 'One: ?The allegation of rape would not be rape under English law?NoneOfYourBusiness said:I think it counts as rape in Sweden if you have sex without protection and without informing the other partner that you are not using protection, which i think might have happened, also the case was dropped and was all around done, just seems a bit too suspicious for that to come back now, I think he refuses to go to court because it is obvious England will send him to US, and you know the legal system there will all around find some way to put him in quantamo bay...ArnRand said:Why? Dude is accused (and refuses to go to court) of rape. Disliking him seems like the sensible option to me.NoneOfYourBusiness said:The more people dislike him, i like him more.
Can I get a source on the thing about condoms? And which of my comments are disgusting? I said he was a prick, I guess that's a pretty terrible insult or something where you come from?Airsoftslayer93 said:I support Assange, Just watching that footage from the Apache helicopters made me sick, and the fact that there is a group out there that has published that information is great.
He worked with traditional media, and had to live on the road for a long time to avoid any dangers, the idea that those 'military secrets' were secret for a reason is bullshit, Having read a great deal of the papers leaked I can only conclude that most people, including it appears the majority of people posting in this thread, believe that the world is exceedingly black and white.
Some of your comments are actually pretty disgusting, as a citizen of the UK I can understand that we are the bad guys, for most of the world we are the enemies, open your eyes and realise that the more we know about the bullshit that our governments feed us, the better we can defend against that bullshit.
The coincidental nature of the allegations against Assange, the timing of them, the actual actions that he took, and the actions of the accusers, makes me think that the accusations are unjust. He had consensual sex with 2 women, neither time did he use a condom, they only made accusations after finding out about each other. It seems obvious to me that they are really pissed about him sleeping with someone else, not him sleeping with them.
Sweden has a history of quick extraditions to the US, just because no request has been made, does not mean that there isn't an agreement. I personally believe that the original plan was to extradite him from sweden to the US, due to the publicity surrounding that case I believe that that plan has been dropped. Although looking at the manner in which bradley manning has been treated should give some indication to how Assange can be expected to be treated.
By breaking the law we are just as arrogant as he is.Dandark said:hope they do manage to get him out of the embassy
I recognize that the information he leaked put innocent people in danger, but I trust governments just like I trust corporations - I don't.Elementary - Dear Watson said:I also massively disagreed with Wikileaks... I don't care if it was corperate stuff, but government stuff is kept out of the public eye for a reason...
As a fellow "bad guy" of the world, I must tell you it's okay to admit that you're the bad guy.ArnRand said:This isn't about the bullshit our governments feed us, or about conspiricy theories and paranoia about the UK being the 'bad guys' to the world (Protip, we're not. A lot of countries see the UK as a santuary. You'll find plenty of immigrants stuck in a holding bay in Italy or somewhere saying they're desperate to get to the UK.)
What's wrong with the UK? I didn't personally invade iraq or whatever. In fact a lot of people hated that move, it's still regarded as a terrible decision, especially by the left. Maybe a lot of people don't exactly like the UK, but I don't think it's hated, and if it is, it shouldn't be. As Mcnulty would say: What the fuck did I do?ElPatron said:By breaking the law we are just as arrogant as he is.Dandark said:hope they do manage to get him out of the embassy
I recognize that the information he leaked put innocent people in danger, but I trust governments just like I trust corporations - I don't.Elementary - Dear Watson said:I also massively disagreed with Wikileaks... I don't care if it was corperate stuff, but government stuff is kept out of the public eye for a reason...
Plus, "competitive intelligence" is just a legal form of industrial espionage. It wouldn't be illegal in the first place.
As a fellow "bad guy" of the world, I must tell you it's okay to admit that you're the bad guy.ArnRand said:This isn't about the bullshit our governments feed us, or about conspiricy theories and paranoia about the UK being the 'bad guys' to the world (Protip, we're not. A lot of countries see the UK as a santuary. You'll find plenty of immigrants stuck in a holding bay in Italy or somewhere saying they're desperate to get to the UK.)
Also, the notion that lots of people like the UK is as inane as the American logic that most people hate them.
Then your left is a bunch of whiners. I don't like them.ArnRand said:snip
So it's propaganda, the rape allegation? And before you say that Swedish rape laws are crazy, Assange has been told that what's he's accused of is rape in the UK too. Also, my government does care about me, because I'M the one who gets to decide if it keeps it's power. That's how a democracy works. And guess what, doing anything I feel is unjust to Assange would make me not want to vote for them. But they haven't, all they've done is said that he should defend againsht the rape claims in a Swedish court, which makes a whole lot of sense to me.Moth_Monk said:This should be in the Religion and Politics forum.
To those reading this comment, you do realise that your government does not care about you and will do everything it can to keep its power?
OT: It saddens me to see people actually falling the propaganda character assassination that is being done to Julian Assange. I thought we thinking people would not fall for this trick...
Actually, you mentioning history made me remeber that whole imperialism and genocide thing.ElPatron said:Then your left is a bunch of whiners. I don't like them.ArnRand said:snip
But come on... we can't be all good guys. If you look at any country's history, no country is actually the "good guy".