"Just go watch Porn!" (Probably NFSW, duh)

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

 

[I can't enter my old name]

I'm here to defend OP's tastes. Some people think anime girls are weird, and regular porn is fine. Neither are weird, both are fine.

Again, is the issue about his tastes, or his frustration and depression around real women? That's not a taste, that's a disability.

Disability? Perhaps OP got tired of watching real porn and now prefers anime girls or something. Maybe he was like "I've seen it all, I want something new" or something like that. I don't know anything about his life, so i'm not going to make any assumptions or judge.

Perhaps it would be better to ask OP for clarification what he meant by his frustration and depression with real women. It might not be as bad as it sounds.

 

[Callate]

It's more than a little weird to me in general that so many people seem to want everything sexual in media to be ghettoized into the pornography category. Honestly, it seems kind of unhealthy; it's like pretending that sex has absolutely no role in our lives except for this one little hidden room in the back where anything goes.

One more strange side-effect of the Internet, I guess.

 

[BloatedGuppy]

It's more than a little weird to me in general that so many people seem to want everything sexual in media to be ghettoized into the pornography category.

Why is it a presumption that "pornography" indicates a ghetto category? Certainly there is problematic pornography, but it's an extremely generalized label that covers an extremely wide range of erotic material. It's not a default snarl word. There's an entire thread of people here shrugging at pornography and saying they have no problem with it, and yet we still have people chiming in to share their distress at the designation. It's baffling.

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

 

[Fieldy409_v1legacy]

I have to admit. When I watch or read something with a good plot but heaps of sex scenes in it like Game Of Thrones or Spartacus I tend to get annoyed, sex is only interesting when you are horny. I like to be tittilated as much as the next guy but once we have established these characters are in love/are promiscuous/having an affair/whatever, you are just wasting time for me that could be spent on plot or whatever. I much prefer it when they just show a bit of making out, give us some boobs for eyecandy and then quickly move on, rather than long awkward scenes of them bouncing on top of each other in various positions.

Mind you Im probably a hypocrite saying that because I enjoy gratuitous violence and action but that could have the same thing said of it.

Oh and dude go to Pornhub, its free and theres plenty of pretty girls there for free. Surely a guy who likes boobs as much as you cant turn down Mia Khalifa.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

 

[I can't enter my old name]

It's more than a little weird to me in general that so many people seem to want everything sexual in media to be ghettoized into the pornography category.

Why is it a presumption that "pornography" indicates a ghetto category? Certainly there is problematic pornography, but it's an extremely generalized label that covers an extremely wide range of erotic material. It's not a default snarl word. There's an entire thread of people here shrugging at pornography and saying they have no problem with it, and yet we still have people chiming in to share their distress at the designation. It's baffling.

I guess i'll say it again.
The definition of pornography is irrelevant. In fact your definition is too broad. OP used porn colloquially to describe hardcore pornography. A lot of people do the same. When someone says "I watch porn", we assume he or she visits porn websites. Using the dictionary definition of words is not helpful because we have essentially ignored the semantics, because we are not taking into account the meaning of the word in the sentence. Likewise, we are ignored the pragmatics, because context is not brought up. This is like saying, "If two people are in love in a story, then it's in the romance genre."

Words such as "ecchi" are helpful because they are specifically used to differentiate "lots of fanservice maybe with some nudity" and "ero/AV/hentai/porn" at least in the English speaking world. This is important because it prevents people from accidentally watching hentai or something. It can also implicitly inform things such as the intent of viewing, the ability to be broadcasted on live tv, prolonged and graphic sexual depictions, etc. I doubt they use the word "ecchi" because they are afraid of having their anime and games called pornography.

Edit: Also, pornography has gigantic negative connotations. Ecchi can be used as a euphemism I guess. Then again, saying "It's not hentai it's ecchi" doesn't sound very convincing.

 

[Paragon Fury]

Damn, I appear to have started a war.

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

You are quite the master at extending a pointless argument for the sake of nothing but petty bickering, aren't you?

The proof is obtained by measuring levels of reality. It is hard to take someone who claims real-life porn looks "fake" yet finds solace in drawn/animated porn, which is several levels more detached from reality than real-life porn. Which is not to say his opinion that porn looks fake to be wrong, that's just personal taste, but to claim that it looks fake when compared to animated porn/ecchi it is wrong and preposterous. It's also a good sign of a wrong opinion when someone's defending the integrity of a product who's own productors already admitted it to be nonexistant. Look no further than DOA2's (I think) "she kicks high" commercial.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

You are quite the master at extending a pointless argument for the sake of nothing but petty bickering, aren't you?

You're the one that started arguing with me.

The proof is obtained by measuring levels of reality. It is hard to take someone who claims real-life porn looks "fake" yet finds solace in drawn/animated porn, which is several levels more detached from reality than real-life porn. Which is not to say his opinion that porn looks fake to be wrong, that's just personal taste, but to claim that it looks fake when compared to animated porn/ecchi it is wrong and preposterous. It's also a good sign of a wrong opinion when someone's defending the integrity of a product who's own productors already admitted it to be nonexistant. Look no further than DOA2's (I think) "she kicks high" commercial.

So the staged sex devoid of all context between professionals with no attachment objectively feels more real than the animated dating sim?

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

You are quite the master at extending a pointless argument for the sake of nothing but petty bickering, aren't you?

You're the one that started arguing with me.

The proof is obtained by measuring levels of reality. It is hard to take someone who claims real-life porn looks "fake" yet finds solace in drawn/animated porn, which is several levels more detached from reality than real-life porn. Which is not to say his opinion that porn looks fake to be wrong, that's just personal taste, but to claim that it looks fake when compared to animated porn/ecchi it is wrong and preposterous. It's also a good sign of a wrong opinion when someone's defending the integrity of a product who's own productors already admitted it to be nonexistant. Look no further than DOA2's (I think) "she kicks high" commercial.

So the staged sex devoid of all context between professionals with no attachment objectively feels more real than the animated dating sim?

On the account of actually being real, yes, yes it does.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

You are quite the master at extending a pointless argument for the sake of nothing but petty bickering, aren't you?

You're the one that started arguing with me.

The proof is obtained by measuring levels of reality. It is hard to take someone who claims real-life porn looks "fake" yet finds solace in drawn/animated porn, which is several levels more detached from reality than real-life porn. Which is not to say his opinion that porn looks fake to be wrong, that's just personal taste, but to claim that it looks fake when compared to animated porn/ecchi it is wrong and preposterous. It's also a good sign of a wrong opinion when someone's defending the integrity of a product who's own productors already admitted it to be nonexistant. Look no further than DOA2's (I think) "she kicks high" commercial.

So the staged sex devoid of all context between professionals with no attachment objectively feels more real than the animated dating sim?

On the account of actually being real, yes, yes it does.

Those screen images are no more real than any other screen image. The sounds are made the same way. OP feels more from ecchi than from contextless porn. He's not right or wrong in thinking this.

 

[JamesStone]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

You are quite the master at extending a pointless argument for the sake of nothing but petty bickering, aren't you?

You're the one that started arguing with me.

The proof is obtained by measuring levels of reality. It is hard to take someone who claims real-life porn looks "fake" yet finds solace in drawn/animated porn, which is several levels more detached from reality than real-life porn. Which is not to say his opinion that porn looks fake to be wrong, that's just personal taste, but to claim that it looks fake when compared to animated porn/ecchi it is wrong and preposterous. It's also a good sign of a wrong opinion when someone's defending the integrity of a product who's own productors already admitted it to be nonexistant. Look no further than DOA2's (I think) "she kicks high" commercial.

So the staged sex devoid of all context between professionals with no attachment objectively feels more real than the animated dating sim?

On the account of actually being real, yes, yes it does.

Those screen images are no more real than any other screen image. The sounds are made the same way. OP feels more from ecchi than from contextless porn. He's not right or wrong in thinking this.

What he feels is not right or wrong. Claiming that ecchi/hentai is more real than porn is ridiculous and wrong. And yes, these screen images are more real than screen images of things that don't actually exist, and it is idiotic to the highest degree to try and say otherwise. Do you feel the same about a picture of Owen and Beru's carbonized skeletons than you feel about the result of a civilian shot to death in Syria?

And yet again it comes down to objective facts. An opinion can be wrong because it is nothing more than a belief that can be or not supported by facts. No matter how you try to change the definition to fit the argument, that is the simplificated definition of opinion by commom consensus, so unless you want to form your own language and give your own meaning to words, by, again, DEFINITION an opinion can be right or wrong, and the opinion that porn is more fake than ecchi is wrong.

If OP feels more strongly about ecchi than he feels for real-life porn that's fine and dandy and I respect his feelings, but that doesn't change reality. I can claim all I want that Evil Dead's writing rivals Shakespeare, or that the sky is red, or even that lions are strictly herbivores. Those would be my opinions, and I'd be completely and utterly wrong.

 

[IceForce]

OP feels more from ecchi than from contextless porn. He's not right or wrong in thinking this.

That may well be, but the reasons he's put forward for holding this option, are wrong. That's what I believe most people here are are taking issue with.

Now, I don't want to make personal judgements, but it's entirely possible that the OP is just really poor at expressing the reasoning behind their opinions and explaining themselves. OP replied to this thread again just a bit above, and offered no elaboration or further explanation (they only gloated about the shitstorm they'd created). So it looks like we might all be left in the dark on this matter.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

The responses are attacking him.

Nah, not really. Only someone with remarkably thin skin would deem these responses as personal attacks.

OP literally describes (IRL) porn as "incredibly fake, and most of the time people aren't actually enjoying themselves". If the OP scoured the internet for porn and came to the above conclusion, then the OP is both objectively wrong and also he didn't look very hard.

Pointing this out is not a personal attack on him.

Is it? That's the view he gets from looking at porn and you're saying he's wrong about his tastes. It is a ton of posts just saying the OP's opinion is wrong, he doesn't know what he's talking about, he has emotional problems, etc. Very few people are actually addressing his argument (which is "why is he told to "just go watch porn" when this is what he wants" in case anyone forgot).

So what? An opinion can be wrong, and many are. I'm honestly flabbergastered every time I hear this argument. It's like when someone tries to justify a crappy play/book/whatever entire class of entertainment the pseudo-intellectuals cluster around by saying "It's a metaphor!". So what? There is such a thing as a shitty metaphor, and there is such a thing as a shitty, wrong opinion.

That is not at all true. There are opinions you don't agree with. There are opinions that not many people agree with. There are poorly researched opinions. But there is no such thing as a wrong opinion.

"All niggers/chinks/[whatever the slang for jew is]/retarded/non-aryan people are the scum of the Earth and deserve nothing but painful execution".


Feel free to invoke Godwin's law. There is such a thing as a wrong opinion, and I'm starting to believe that bullshit about PCness gone wrong or whatever if we truly reached an age where every opinion is supposed to be this precious little thing that can never be wrong. If you think the Earth was born 6000 years ago, that's all fine and dandy, it's your opinion, but your opinion is wrong, and being an opinion does absolutely nothing to prevent it from being wrong.

In the case of YEC's, it's a fact that can be disputed. They're just incorrectly using the word "opinion".

As to the first statement, that's an opinion that not many people agree with, but it is an opinion nonetheless. It can't be right or wrong, by definition.

a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty.
2.
a personal view, attitude, or appraisal.
3.
the formal expression of a professional judgment:
to ask for a second medical opinion.
4.
Law. the formal statement by a judge or court of the reasoning and the principles of law used in reaching a decision of a case.
5.
a judgment or estimate of a person or thing with respect to character, merit, etc.:
to forfeit someone's good opinion.
6.
a favorable estimate; esteem:
I haven't much of an opinion of him.


Notice how absolutely nothing in the DEFINITION of opinion says it can't be right or wrong. It can, and many are. If you think the sky is blue, that's your opinion, and you're wrong and possibly sick.

Are we really at the dictionary point? Alright then, how do you prove an opinion wrong?

Case by case analysis. In my previous example, we prove the sky isn't red (said blue my mistake) by goddamned looking at it. We prove black people aren't inheritly inferior by scientific analysis.

And yes, when you're going around appropriating words and needlessly change their meaning just to fit an agenda/argument, we get to the dictionary point.

So you prove facts. What about opinions?

1. a belief or judgment that rests on grounds insufficient to produce complete certainty

An opinion is an unconfirmed belief that we hold as true. If it's confirmed true, and as such proven as a fact, it's right. If it's proven false, then it's wrong. It's as simple as that.

Many opinions can't be confirmed as right or wrong because they are formed about very complex and deep topics that require major discussion and are always shifting based on society's values, like, let's say, the rights of the trangesder.

Opinions on completely frivolous topics such as the OP's are not subjected to such ambiguity. Saying that real life porn looks incredibly fake yet clamoring and defending the substitute offered by DOAX is a wrong opinion, and pointing out his belief has a major hole in it does not constitute a personal attack in any way, shape or form, unless it's taylor-made to be so.

So what's your proof?

You are quite the master at extending a pointless argument for the sake of nothing but petty bickering, aren't you?

You're the one that started arguing with me.

The proof is obtained by measuring levels of reality. It is hard to take someone who claims real-life porn looks "fake" yet finds solace in drawn/animated porn, which is several levels more detached from reality than real-life porn. Which is not to say his opinion that porn looks fake to be wrong, that's just personal taste, but to claim that it looks fake when compared to animated porn/ecchi it is wrong and preposterous. It's also a good sign of a wrong opinion when someone's defending the integrity of a product who's own productors already admitted it to be nonexistant. Look no further than DOA2's (I think) "she kicks high" commercial.

So the staged sex devoid of all context between professionals with no attachment objectively feels more real than the animated dating sim?

On the account of actually being real, yes, yes it does.

Those screen images are no more real than any other screen image. The sounds are made the same way. OP feels more from ecchi than from contextless porn. He's not right or wrong in thinking this.

What he feels is not right or wrong. Claiming that ecchi/hentai is more real than porn is ridiculous and wrong. And yes, these screen images are more real than screen images of things that don't actually exist, and it is idiotic to the highest degree to try and say otherwise. Do you feel the same about a picture of Owen and Beru's carbonized skeletons than you feel about the result of a civilian shot to death in Syria?

And yet again it comes down to objective facts. An opinion can be wrong because it is nothing more than a belief that can be or not supported by facts. No matter how you try to change the definition to fit the argument, that is the simplificated definition of opinion by commom consensus, so unless you want to form your own language and give your own meaning to words, by, again, DEFINITION an opinion can be right or wrong, and the opinion that porn is more fake than ecchi is wrong.

If OP feels more strongly about ecchi than he feels for real-life porn that's fine and dandy and I respect his feelings, but that doesn't change reality. I can claim all I want that Evil Dead's writing rivals Shakespeare, or that the sky is red, or even that lions are strictly herbivores. Those would be my opinions, and I'd be completely and utterly wrong.

Too bad the OP never claimed that objectively ecchi is more real than regular porn.

The real seems fake because its set-up, while the fake seems more real because its less staged and fun.

I've seen porn. But I don't really like it. I feel its incredibly fake

If he had, you might have had a point. But again, an opinion can not be right or wrong, no matter how you want to read it that way.

 

[crimson5pheonix]

OP feels more from ecchi than from contextless porn. He's not right or wrong in thinking this.

That may well be, but the reasons he's put forward for holding this option, are wrong. That's what I believe most people here are are taking issue with.

Now, I don't want to make personal judgements, but it's entirely possible that the OP is just really poor at expressing the reasoning behind their opinions and explaining themselves. OP replied to this thread again just a bit above, and offered no elaboration or further explanation (they only gloated about the shitstorm they'd created). So it looks like we might all be left in the dark on this matter.

And what reason was wrong?