Ken Levine: The Future of Gaming Is In the PC

JeanLuc761

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spartan231490 said:
Exactly. also, how is a keyboard and mouse, which requires constant movement of the hands and elevation of the hands onto the keyboard, more ergonomic than a controller which fits into your hands and requires no movement of the hands and can be placed flexibly anywhere you want.
Ergonomic
Definition: The applied science of equipment design, as for the workplace, intended to maximize productivity by reducing operator fatigue and discomfort.

Yeah, that sounds about right. You may not have to move your wrists as much on a controller, but mouse/keyboard allows for much higher levels of productivity, and it's really not that draining on the user. The mouse/keyboard combination is more precise than a controller, and it allows you to do much more. Hence, it's ergonomic.
 

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Honestly, I think the whole debate of console vs. PC is moot. Eventually we'll just be walking around playing our GeneriTech mobile entertainment consoles and occasionally plugging it into a bigger screen. It won't happen soon, but the brick walls between them are starting to corrode and chip. It really just comes down to which interface you like for each type of game and how do you want to keep up to date with the current tech: do it yourself or let the company worry about maintenance and play your DS for a week while it's in the shop?
 

Zhukov

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Kenny, m'boy, ye be trollin' up a storm.

*sigh*

Why is it that any mention of PCs or consoles automatically turns ostensibly reasonable people into gibbering fanboys?

Live and let live. It's not that bloody difficult.
 

Mordwyl

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In other news, consoles are specialised computers which specific focus is on running multimedia and games.
 

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Uh aren't you the guys who snuffed the PC DLC for BioShock 2, and then only released it due to the negative backlash you received?
Nah, that was 2K Marin. The Irrational guys were too busy developing Bioshock Infinite (the *proper* sequel to Bioshock).
Ah OK. Guess now it's pretty obvious I don't keep up with BioShock much. :p
 

The Austin

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Plazmatic said:
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Orcus_35 said:
The answer is very simple: where does games on consoles are made from? PC's !

What's the only platform that delivers Mods for FREE: PC's !

i don't need to go further...
What's the only platform that you can sit on the couch and play..... Consoles.

What's the only platform that can be operated by a monkey...... Consoles.

OP: Wasn't BioShock only on 360?
wow people like you really annoy me, why? Because you are ignorant, you don't know what you are talking about. You can sit on a couch and play on a pc just fine... and you dont need the screen right in front of you either. in fact you can use a controller to play all pc games, it doesn't require much effort, or you could just sit with a mouse and key board in front of you too...

Bioshock was also for the PC as well, and started off that way, in fact Bioshock 2 was for the PC as well..

Btw if something really has to be simple enough for a monkey to use in order for you to play games on, then we have some serious problems with society and sheer lazy-ness. And High school drop outs (or soon to be drop outs) probably shouldn't be playing games, You might want to consider having a supplement for your education or getting a job application to McDonalds instead.
I really hope you get banned for that comment.

Why? Because people like YOU are ignorant, and by that I mean you can't understand sarcasm. I said a monkey could operate the thing for Fuck's sake, if you really couldn't sense the sarcasm, than YOU need a supplement to your intelligence. Now get off your high horse and get over yourself.
 

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The_root_of_all_evil said:
The Austin said:
The_root_of_all_evil said:
The Austin said:
What's the only platform that you can sit on the couch and play..... Consoles.
What's the only platform that can be operated by a monkey...... Consoles.
Really not helping your argument, you know.
It actually is. Consoles are far simpler and more convenient for the average dumbass like me. :p
So, as a defence against the PC Elitist argument...you're saying Consoles are better for dumbasses, like you?
Do we have to try and be more dense to keep up?
Jesus Christ, YOUR taking it seriously too? God damn, I was joking.

I think you people need to stop being so quick to insult me, since you are the ones who can't see the sarcasm behind "A monkey can do it."
 

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Jeez, lots and lots 'o bitching around this here parts. And I'll just add a few more coals to the fire, if you don't mind ;)

Coming from both a Console and PC gamer (I recently got a new Gaming PC), I can safely say that my PC is vastly superior to my console, but only in terms of functionality. Afterall, I'm typing this sentence on here right now with ease while working on a Word document and streaming videos, of course my PC is better than my console in functionality.

But here's where the PC's advantage over Consoles comes to a dead stop;

Simplicity.

Want me to say it again?

[HEADING=3]Simplicity.[/HEADING]

If you set out to custom build your own PC, you're in for an absolute world of pain. If you're stupid, your new gaming PC will cost several thousand dollars. No. Stop. I don't want to hear it. I don't want to hear how you can find lists online for easy listings of parts for a new gaming computer.

PC's were never meant to play games, they were purely meant to be used for business purposes (and porn), and most people will be perfectly content with their old business machine. Building PCs presents a horde of new problems. Over the past 3 or so months I've had my new computer, there's been a new goddamn problem with it every other week. One time the speakers were on the fritz, other times the screen was, sometimes it would start up slowly, some games would not start, etc...

Here are just some of the questions that I had to ask to make sure I got a good deal for my gaming computer;

The Computer

What is my spending range? What parts am I going to need? What's the difference between a GPU and a CPU? Do I even need one? What the hell's RAM? What's considered a good amount of RAM? Is 8GB of RAM too much or too little to play most games? What kind of OS do I need? Do most games run on that OS? What the hell is a graphics card? Is it a GPU? Which one do I buy? Are any of these graphics cards compatible with any CPUs or whatever? What the fuck's an ATIRaedonHD5700? Is it better than the NVidia680xGt? Would that be excessive, would I even need that amount of whateverthehell it is? Can most games even play on that card? What about the screen, can I still use my old one or do I need to go out for a new one? What the hell is an i5 CPU processor thingy? And for that matter, what's an i7? Would I even need that? What the fuck's a TurboGrafx1y637632? What the fuck's a 724GT260CPU? What the FUCK'S a BIOS? Are there any compatibility issues with any of the parts? And what the FUCK DOES 2.87Ghz MEAN? Do I even need that much? Is that too little to play my games? And what about internet connection, do I need to buy a new router or one of those wireless connector thingamabobs? What about future proofing my hardware? What if one of my devices becomes obsolete? And on top of all of that, will I still be able to run all my old software and crap on it, Word and Powerpoint and iTunes and all that? I still need to use it for projects and stuff! Oh jezuz fuck, I might as well buy an AlienWare.

Every single one of those questions had to be addressed when I was trying to get a custom gaming PC for me. And that's not going into setting up the damn thing, installing all the crap you need just to get on the internet safely.

Now let's compare the questions to buy a console;

The Console

What console should I get? What games am I interested in? What bundles does the console come in and what's in the bundle? Should I buy any additional peripherals (HD cables, accessories, extra controllers, etc...)? Hmm, okay, I think I know what I'll get. *Gets the console, plugs it in a few sockets, puts in some info upon start-up, and plays the game)

Notice how the kind of games the person plays never comes into account in the PC set up, yet it's one of the first concerns in the console one? That's because PCs are not meant to be gaming machines.

Let this be known, though, that I'm not trying to bag on the PC here, as I said I'm a partial PC gamer (love TF2, it's ungodly on PC) and I'll play just about anything that comes my way. It's just a lot of times, when the "PC master race" starts yabbering with numbers and statistics and newsarticles and crap, they (and subsequently, the "consul-tards" that argue with them) lose sight of what really matters; the games

Right now, the home console is the mainstream center in gaming. It's all about getting those consoles in homes and getting the bragging rights over who's in more homes. PCs are already standard in most homes in developed-nations, and most of those PCs are never used for any serious games. There are plenty of innovative games coming out on PC, but to really make a big impact games tend to need to be on consoles and be a "AAA" title.

Consoles, overall, are just a much more focused experience as developers can focus on one set of specs, no matter how old the technology in them is. It's not always about how powerful the technology is, it's how you use it that counts. And quite frankly, I rarely see a truly polished game come out on PC that simultaneously influences the entire gaming industry. I mean, say what you will about the Uncharted franchise, when Uncharted 2 came out it was one helluvah polished game, specialized on one specific platform. That's something you can quite get with PCs.

But whatever, I've ranted on longer than I thought I have. I would love it if someone would like to debate with me on the topic, but please keep it civil.

~Jumplion
 

beema

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Thankyou Mr. Levine. You rock.

PC gamers also drive forward gaming technology, which supports the industry in many ways behind the scenes, console or otherwise.
 
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Because he obviously is not talking about that and you misinterpreted the context.
Then please tell me, what is the full attention that PC developers are EXPECTING over that of console developers? Where does the difference lie?

Don't get me wrong; I'm not saying multi-tasking is bad or should necessarily be seen as a detriment. If consoles wanted users to focus solely on the games themselves, they wouldn't have tried so hard over the past decade to turn themselves into multimedia entertainment systems (i.e. more similar to PCs).

So again, I'm not trying to call you out here; I'm asking for potential enlightenment: How do PC developers know they have "your full attention" more than console developers?
 

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I don't know... I find Bioshock (1 and 2) to be extremely overrated. Very simplistic and boring gameplay, even with the plasmids. It never seems to get more complex than most powerful plasmid, shoot, most powerful plasmid, shoot again and again. The only real change are those guys that throw grenades, but thats not much.

The story feels overly familar and the basic understanding of Objectivism it portrays never goes into any serious depth and is only really found in a couple of monologues and tapes. They could have done more given the setting and the possibilities this opens up. Not to mention the horrible morality system.

The sequel had average multiplayer. The first game was way too easy on release, they had to patch in a higher difficulty to please a lot of people who bought it. The second was way too similar to the first, almost insultingly so. There was a couple of new additions, but, well... it feels like IW change the CoD formula between each game more than 2K has. Not to mention the fact that a lot of Bioshock feels like it has been taken straight from Fallout, not blatantly, but the feeling is still there.

I realise that Ken didn't work on Bioshock 2 and has worked on other great games like SWAT 4, Thief: The Dark Project and System Shock 2 in the past but I'd rather not follow his future of gaming. It seems flawed and generic.
 

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And so, the entire world set fire to their 360's because Ken Levine is a god or some crap. Yeah, he's made good games. Lots of people have made good games. Ken Levine hasn't even made the best games. No where near. Why do people hang on his every word?
 

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Xzi said:
Cocamaster said:
Xzi said:
You can always just connect a real Wiimote to your PC anyway.
How exactly does this relate to your claim of "the mouse being able to emulate the Wii-mote"?

Xzi said:
Although why you would want to is beyond me. I have yet to be given an example of a game that has made innovative use of motion controls.
Be honest with yourself. The games exist, but you will not accept them as such. "Innovation" is, next to "hardcore", one of the most missused terms in the games fandom today.

And even ignoring that completelly, the sheer influence the Wii has had in the industry in the last 4 years, both good AND bad, makes it an important innovation. Make no mistake, the next round of consoles WILL feature motion controls as a standard, all thanks to the Wii.
Oh, I am being completely honest with myself. Motion controls are a gimmick. Think about it, what are the Wii's best games? Super Mario Galaxy...Wii remote is used to waggle and point, neither a necessity. Super Smash Brothers Brawl...better with a Gamecube pad. Metroid Prime Trilogy...Wii remote is used to aim, can be done better with a mouse. Kirby's Epic Yarn...uses about as many buttons as the original NES controller, very rarely uses Wii remote as a motion controller.

I don't deny that the Wii has had a big influence on the industry, but that's not a good thing. It just means that consoles will become increasingly casual, and have more shovelware than ever.
Lol you are so wrong it's pretty much unbelievable. Do you own a Wii?....Or an iphone for that matter? Gyroscopes and accelerometers each add another level of input to all handheld controllers w/o detracting anything.

Several of Mario Galaxy's levels wouldn't have been possible without the pointer and the Metroid Prime Trilogy was definitely improved by the motion controls.

Kirby's Epic Yarn uses motion controls flawlessly. It is, in my opinion, the most compelling argument for the Wii remote control style to date. During the tank and fire truck transformations, the cannon and water hose are aimed by tilting the controller left and right, while firing, jumping, and moving are done with the face buttons. It reminds me of New Super Mario Bros seesaw + flashlight segments. Had these games been on xbox/ps3, these functions would be done with the right analog stick, which on top of being less accurate, fun, and intuitive, also makes the face buttons unusable, which would force jumping, (gasp) to a shoulder button.

While these games may be playable on pc, they wouldn't allow for multiplayer local play, and the controls wouldn't be as intuitive or comfortable. I would rather use tilting than a mouse when possible.

Labyrinth on the Apple store is another indisputable win for the gyroscope.
 

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Ahahahahahahahaha... good stuff.

What about Nintendo, Capcom, Square Enix, Sony Santa Monica, Naughty Dog, Rockstar, Insomniac, Atlus and Sega? Console developers first. But I guess they don't count because they don't fit into his argument.

This guy is talking out of his ass.
I also find it funny that all the great console developers he mentioned pretty much all migrated to consoles. He's pretty much saying the PC is successful because of their success later on consoles...don't get me wrong, I like PC gaming (or mac gaming, in my case) but I think he has some seriously flawed points. Who's he trying to convince, us, or himself?
 

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Until a console can run a dedicated server and set up custom game modes and software so I can create maps I'm staying with the PC. And oh, mouse and keyboard wins hands down.
Most people who have PC's groan when we see console gameplay.... it's depressing :/
I think the only good thing consoles have going for them is the on-the-couch split screen.
LANing on PC's can be a pain, and when you've got a computer as big as mine it's a pain to drag it around. Online gaming is where it's at though.
I don't know, take one look at http://www.fpsbanana.com/ and you'll see why PC's win. Consoles have no customisation options, whether it's graphical or gameplay.
 

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All the games I actually want to play are for the PC. So why should I get a console? So I can, theoretically, play a bunch of games I have no interest in?

Nah.

The Playstation ads in particular make me laugh. So the PS3 does "everything" huh? Funny, my PC already did all of that stuff--and tons more stuff that the PS3 doesn't do. I move around a lot. I can't afford to maintain 15 different machines that do different things.

That, and I kind of like the PC upgrade cycle--being able to upgrade my system piecemeal, I mean. It's really cool to upgrade your video card and go try out your older games with all the settings cranked up to max. It's almost like getting new games.

Everybody likes different stuff. I can't stand mobile devices, personally, but I don't even like it when people call me AT HOME. Phone calls are like having someone come to your door when you're asleep and pound on it. Then they have the gall to act like YOU are the rude one for not answering the damn thing.
 

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I'll admit a PC is more versatile than a console, and I have recently made the plunge into full-on PC gamer, but I still appreciate that the bulk of gamers are on consoles.
 

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Orcus_35 said:
The answer is very simple: where does games on consoles are made from? PC's !

What's the only platform that delivers Mods for FREE: PC's !

i don't need to go further...
Agreed. Besides the fact that I was brought up in a PC family, this is the numeraeo uno reason I enjoy PC gaming.
 

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but i cant afford the 10s of thousands of dollars required to be a pc gamer and always be up-to-date with the latest games :'(

fucking elitists...