Kickstarter Video Project Attracts Misogynist Horde

socialistmath

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RT-Medic-with-shotgun said:
Oh please smart assed person on the internet,
Pardon me if I treat anti-feminists with the utter contempt and disdain they deserve.
Her degrees are in communication studies & political thought. Not feminist theory.
It's almost as though... those things are related? Huh. And you don't need to know every single detail of modern feminist theory to understand how to critique things from a feminist point of view. Just as you don't need a Ph.D in Pure Mathematics to teach someone calculus.
While she may have taken a class i doubt she is right about the patriarchy.
Oh just come out and say it: You doubt she's right because she's a woman.
And she doesn't aim to improve anything, only to complain about whats wrong & say it needs to change. She is making no moves ti improve, only to draw sight to the negatives.
For anything to change, it's first important for people to realize and accept that things need to change. What her video series will accomplish is to convince people that there is a problem with how women are portrayed in video games, just as there are problems in how they are portrayed in other forms of media. The more people realize and understand this, the more can be done.

Such enlightenment. Truly a paragon of equal thinking that you think all men portray gaming horribly.
See, here's a problem. When people talk about how some (in this case, many) men do something, many guys immediately cry "but you're being sexist because you said all guys do this and bluh bluh bluh". If you're a guy and you aren't a sexist shit when you game? Great job, have a cookie and take a seat. This isn't about you. Yes, I'm sorry to say sir Good Male, but sometimes it's not about you.

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How the do we even know the attacks are real? For all we know the same group could be staging this to get more people to fork over cash to their kickstarter.
Uhmm, because this isn't new? This always happens when a woman dares to open her mouth on the Internet and say something that isn't completely overflowing with praise for men. Take a look at Fat Ugly or Slutty. Or just watch the general chat on nearly any MMO when a woman or girl dares to make her gender known. Women always face this kind of hate on the Internet.
 

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Yeah, and the notion of feminism as a conspiracy theory about how all men are trying to suppress all women is a pretty classic right-wing talking point. It doesn't resemble actual feminism.
So all these theories about some 'rape culture' existing, and choices like fashion not being a choice, but a form of oppression, that's all just Rush Limbaugh in a dress with makeup on trying to fool us all? Oh come on.
If you think that those ideas somehow translate to "all men are trying to suppress all women," you're not actually reacting to those ideas. You're reacting to an over-simplification of them you heard somewhere that most likely began life as a right-wing strawman.

Blablahb said:
Remember this quite legendary blog?
http://evebitfirst.wordpress.com/2011/05/18/a-man-is-a-rape-supporter-if/

Reading that blog, it seems you support rape. So do I by the way. And everybody else on this forum. And everybody else on this planet.

Go ahead and tell me ideas like that are all just normal and rational.
Uh... many of the bullet points in that list are pretty uncontroversial. Most of the ones that are controversial outside of feminism are also controversial inside feminism. The fact that you think that list somehow represents feminism as a whole is pretty emblematic of the sort of errors and oversimplifications people make when they respond to feminism as the right-wing wants them to see it, as opposed to feminism as it actually exists.
 

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For the love of-

[HEADING=1]SHE IS NOT INVALIDATING MEN NOR PROMOTING MISANDRY!![/HEADING]

She is highlighting sexist aspects of the video game culture, nothing more. This stuff exists and needs to be paid attention to.

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The problem is that there aren't any sexist aspects of the video game culture. Pretty much everything she mentioned is totally wrong, and is apparently only being brought up to get attention. She goes off about "tropes" but you have to understand that women themselves created or contributed to a lot of those tropes themselves.

What's more it's a myth that there is some huge barrier between what men and women find appropriate. Things like action adventure/fantasy/horror/science fiction occupy a sweet spot of interest that appeals to both genders, as does how the characters, including the female ones, are portrayed within those generes. If you sit down and check out the stuff in those generes that women create with a female audience in mind you'll notice that it's actually virtually indistinguishable for the stuff guys create for a male audience. This has lead to things like the "Paranormal Romance" genere crossing the gender boundaries with authors like Laura K. Hamilton, Kim Harrison, Charlene Harris, and others building up pretty impressive bodies of work. Charlene Harris even turned hers into an HBO show called "True Blood".

What the lady seeking funding here is doing is pretty much saying that there is a problem with how women are portrayed in video games, when really if you take your typical "problem" video game heroine and then compare them to works created by women you'll see very little differance in how they dress, act, or even what power sets they wind up using. Even the whole "damsel in distress" thing is hardly a sexist, male enforced trope, it could be argued that "True Blood" almost entirely revolves around a quintessential damsel in distress with an unfortunate taste in boyfriends. Not to mention that when women write even outside of the genere being rescued by some dude is very much a common theme.

Basically, for there to be a valid point in this Vlog she wants to make, she would have to establish that there is a huge break between those tropes, and what women consume for themselves within the generes, and really that won't happen because I'm pretty familiar with the science fiction and fantasy landscape, and what's successfully been aimed at a female audience out there, especially when it's crossed the gender gap (so to speak). Where she's coming from is entirely baseless, and trying to make a problem where there isn't one.

I know this is a topic a lot of people feel strongly about, and I apologize since I have been apparently pushing a few buttons and I've been trolled. I will however say that I do not see this as a feminist vs. anti-feminist debate. Because I do not think the lady wanting this money is a legitimate feminist, I think she wants attention and that's all there is to it. To accuse her of invalidating men or misandry actually gives her too much credit. To me, this whole thing looks like a situation where if this didn't get her a bigger platform, she'd be back in a couple of months with something else to try and get the attention.
 

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bringer of illumination said:
JerrytheBullfrog said:
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"OH NO! PEOPLE ARE BEING MEAN AND WACIST ON THE INTERWEBS!!!" You might as well link to any given thread on fucking 4chan and call that "Journalism".

I frankly can't fucking believe that this article was approved.
I dunno, I think a huge, ORGANIZED backlash that includes mass reporting of her videos to YouTube as hate speech and defamation of her Wikipedia page is actually pretty newsworthy.
Actually no, no it fucking isn't.

This sort of shit happens ALL the god damn time, and it isn't reported on because it isn't fucking news. Do you have any idea how easy these things are to organize? (And the degree of "organisation" in this particular case is debatable.

This article is OBVIOUS as veiled advertisement for the kickstarter in question, the writer want to plug this horseshit, and the easiest way was to write about the backlash.

It's a load of shit and whoever approved it should be ashamed of them selves.
This man sums it up. You expected anything more from the youtube comments section? How old are we? How long have we been on the internet? Seriously you think you people would be desensitized to all this bullshit already.

Can we stop having a 24 page long war of the sexes already? You think we get enough of that in the off-topic section already. We aren't solving anything, its just a name-calling fight at this point.

Can't we all just fucking get along?
 

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bat32391 said:
What the hell is "rape culture" anyway?
It's difficult to explain. This [http://fozmeadows.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/rape-culture-in-gaming/] post seems to explain it well and tries to apply it to gaming culture. An explanation they quote in their post is
Rape culture is a set of values and beliefs that provide an environment conducive to rape... The term applies to a generic culture surrounding and promoting rape, not the specific setting in which rape is likely to occur.
I haven't finished reading that post yet, but it seems good. And from the Evil LIEberal Encyclopedia of LIES (Wikipedia, I'm kidding about the evil part)
Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone sexual violence.
And to show how feminism is not some monolithic block, bell hooks is a feminist who argues that (once again quoting Wikipedia) the concept of rape culture "ignores rape's place in an overarching "culture of violence".

My (mediocre) attempt to explain it is that a rape culture is a culture with a system of beliefs and acts which allow and perpetuate rape, abuse, and the objectification of women. (It also, perhaps to a lesser extent, perpetuates the rape and abuse of men.)
 

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socialistmath said:
bat32391 said:
What the hell is "rape culture" anyway?
It's difficult to explain. This [http://fozmeadows.wordpress.com/2012/06/11/rape-culture-in-gaming/] post seems to explain it well and tries to apply it to gaming culture. An explanation they quote in their post is
Rape culture is a set of values and beliefs that provide an environment conducive to rape... The term applies to a generic culture surrounding and promoting rape, not the specific setting in which rape is likely to occur.
I haven't finished reading that post yet, but it seems good. And from the Evil LIEberal Encyclopedia of LIES (Wikipedia, I'm kidding about the evil part)
Rape culture is a concept used to describe a culture in which rape and sexual violence are common and in which prevalent attitudes, norms, practices, and media normalize, excuse, tolerate, or even condone sexual violence.
And to show how feminism is not some monolithic block, bell hooks is a feminist who argues that (once again quoting Wikipedia) the concept of rape culture "ignores rape's place in an overarching "culture of violence".

My (mediocre) attempt to explain it is that a rape culture is a culture with a system of beliefs and acts which allow and perpetuate rape, abuse, and the objectification of women. (It also, perhaps to a lesser extent, perpetuates the rape and abuse of men.)
Thanks I was wondering was the hell it mean't.
 

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Blablahb said:
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Most of the ones that are controversial outside of feminism are also controversial inside feminism. The fact that you think that list somehow represents feminism as a whole is pretty emblematic of the sort of errors and oversimplifications people make when they respond to feminism as the right-wing wants them to see it, as opposed to feminism as it actually exists.
So when are we going to start seeing a wave of sane rational feminists who point at the correct targets instead of lashing out randomly at people who have nothing to do with it?
You just described everyone I know personally who could be described as "feminist," and probably everyone you know personally who could be described as "feminist." If, on the other hand, you look on the internet for crazies, you'll find crazies. It's silly to pretend, however, that the crazies you find on the internet when you specifically look for crazies (or that you know about because, originally, a right-winger somewhere wanted a convenient strawman) somehow represent everyone who falls under a very broad umbrella term.
 

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You know I was pretty interested in this, she made a convincing argument and sounded like she could back it up, so I click a related link down the right hand side with another of her videos:


And I am disappoint

I don't think she either watched the movie and just the trailer or didn't pay attention as the movie I watched was very much about empowering women, it was hidden in subtext admittedly, underneath what she describes but that is the beauty of it, you have the masogynisits glaring at the short skirts and not seeing how they're being made fun of to their face. Kind of like why I enjoy South Park, as underneath the obvious is a very intelligent show, you just have to pay attention to get it - seemingly she didn't, which is a shame.
 

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I know this place is sickeningly feminist,
Wait, there's an Escapist where every forum isn't clogged with people who got lost on the way to r/mensrights? Could you please direct me to this magical place?
 

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So after watching the video I concluded that this woman is either so overly self important that she seriously expects someone to support her glorified youtube blog, half of which she copypasted straight off TVtropes anyway with actual money, or a new breed of scam artist feeding off of the people who feel the need to apologize for other people's misogynism, just like the scum behind Project Ark.

Either way, this woman is a vile, poisonous creature and should be removed from the gaming community like a cancer.
 

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Lonely Swordsman said:
So after watching the video I concluded that this woman is either so overly self important that she seriously expects someone to support her glorified youtube blog,
Um, she's received over $100,000 on Kickstarter...
half of which she copypasted straight off TVtropes anyway
Tropes have existed before TVTropes, and most (edit: turns out a few do. whatever) of her videos rely on the stupid shit you'll find on TVTropes.