Knightfail

[Winnosh]

Some people don't seem to get that Bob Loved this movie, thought it was great. You can enjoy something and still find the faults in it.

Terminator 2 was one of the best and most thoughtful Action movies done. And I fully aknowledge it's problems and plotholes.

 

[Scyla]

I saw the movie on Thursday and was properly entertained and not bored a bit although the move is quite long. This is an impressive feat Mr. Nolan *clap*.

But I have to agree with the criticism. Not a bad movie but no masterpiece.

What I personally didn't liked was the whole story arc. So we have the Shadow Society (the ninjas) in part 1 and in part 3. So there is a overarching story which skips the second movie. This makes The Dark Knight a standout especially because it was the best of the bunch.

I would have preferred either a whole trilogy with the al Ghul clan or a third movie with an separate storyline.

Another point of criticism is how underwhelming the motives of the bad guys where presented. I find the whole overthrow of the established society where the poor rise against the rich really intriguing. So that Batman has to choose between fighting the poor who suffer and are morally right and restore law and order or let the rich get punished for their gluttony.

But in the end it was just a gang of thugs who bullied around and caused destructions on a massive scale.

Oh, a big plus of the movie was the absence of 3D! Man, I hate those glasses.

 

[Epic Fail 1977]

I'm still at a total loss as to what there is to like about TDKR other than, you know, it's got Batman in it.

 

[Gunnyboy]

More nonsense. I wonder where's the article of Bob trying to explain how all the Chituauri magically died at the same time when their ship blows up.

 

[Scyla]

Did none of the people who investigated the crashed plane think that it was a bit odd that a plane had managed to travel several miles without wings or a tail?

The plane flew circles!

 

[maninahat]

I agree with most of what is on this list.

I mean, though I really liked the twist with Talia, she didn't make a whole lot of difference. With more screentime, and more influence over Wayne's decisions, her betrayal would have made a lot more sense, and had more dramatic impact.

It was the exposition that really got to me in this film. Almost every major scene seemed to have someone explaining what is going on. it was really sloppy writing, and the information could have easily been inferred by the visuals/action.

That said, I feel like Nolan had improved in a couple of key areas:

It was nice to see Gotham during the day, and I liked the increase in scale - in previous movies, you got less sense of it being a big city, and more of it being a small district, consisting purely of dark alleyways.

Oh boy have the fist fights improved. When Bane and Batman go at it, you can see every punch connect (each one sounding like an explosion). The Batman/Bane fights are fairly crucial, so I'm pleased Nolan got it right.

 

[Sam Stennett]

I agree with the passage of time point, the previous movies occurred over (what seemed) a few days/weeks, whilst this one had the 'months' thing compressed into a few hours.. didn't really work.

I found the Robin twist to be rather exciting, as obvious as that one was

The explanations point is also true, but only for some cases for me. I liked the Bane battling Batman part, the constant dialogue about how weak Batman was compared to Bane was quite heart-pounding

The 'explanation' that got on my nerves was the scene where Catwoman was trying to locate the device that wiped her records. The antagonist in the scene was literally explaining the sole purpose of the device to her face, where she obviously knew what it was and what it would do.

"I'm after this.."
"What?? You mean THAT?"
"Yeah, tha-"
"The device that can wipe your criminal history?"
"That's the on-"
"The machine where, in the blink of an eye, all of your records are deleted in a fraction of a second??!?!?!?!?!"
"Yeah, that's the id-"
"The electronic arrangement of equipment that, when activated, allows for the user----"

You get the idea, that was kind of disappointing.

But overall, I liked the film

 

[lord.jeff]

Batman is a wall climber. Batman is one of the worlds greatest climbers. It's one of his most basic skills. There are whole issues of comics dedicated to various Robins learning to climb and learning rope work. Plus this was reinforced in BB where we watch him learn to climb and realize he will need it as part of his repertoire.

He could climb the shit out of walls but yeah the whole sequence sucked for several reasons.

 

[Trishbot]

My questions (WITH SPOILERS):

1) How does Batman survive the fusion bomb at the end? He was shown to be in the cockpit of his plane mere seconds before detonation, and the blast radius was at least 6 miles. They said "autopilot", but I didn't see him eject in time. Also, he would then land in the icy water, in full body-armor, and either sink like a rock or freeze to death in minutes. Plus, if he swam to shore, someone would've spotted him.

2) How did Batman get INTO Gotham in the first place? He was stripped of all his gear and belongings and Gotham was entirely cut off from the rest of the world. How'd he get into the city?

3) The giant, flaming bat-signal on the bridge. Yeah, it's cool and all, but when did Bruce get the time to climb the bridge (monitored by both police and criminals) and prep it with gasoline all over... and then calmly wait at the bottom for Gordon's execution to spring the signal?

4) If the goal of the League of Shadows with Ra's Al Ghul was to eliminate the problems of Gotham by destroying the city, and 8 years later Gotham is practically crime-free, citizens are living peacefully, and Batman himself is retired, why on earth would they attack? Gotham HAD peace. They're the ones that caused all the problems.

5) If the true aim of the League, Talia, and Bane was to dupe Bruce into giving them the bomb, why did they jeopardize their plan by staging massive terrorist attacks that served no real purpose other than to get their men killed and put their plan at risk?

6) How did they know where Batman's armory was? The only ones that knew were both Bruce and Lucius Fox.

7) Batman's plane seriously was just camped out at the top of a building for nearly a year? He didn't even take it back to the cave. He just left it out in the open under a suspicious looking tarp and nobody found it?

8) It may not be a plothole, but does the movie seriously expect me to think that a 10 year old girl has the strength and will to crawl out of a hole in the ground, but none of these strong, full-grown men could do it? Or, for that matter, they couldn't just build a ladder or something out?

9) People know who Bruce Wayne is. He's a rich, famous billionaire playboy. If Bill Gates faked his death and was then spotted in public, you'd think someone would notice.

10) "You won't give up on me, will you Alfred?" "Never." -Batman Begins. Alfred totally gives up on him. Dammit, Alfred!

 

[suitepee7]

It wasn't a perfect movie, but I think it's a worthy ending to the trilogy.

SPOILER ALERT: can't be assed to add several spoiler tags to certain sections.

this seems to sum up my feelings on it completely. i had a few niggling doubts, but overall i still loved the film. personally i liked how it was a total contrast to the dark knight in some aspects in regards to the villans (the joker used subterfuge and guerrilla tactics while the gotham police and batman were the powerhouses, yet in DKR bane and his men become in control and the police have to sneak around).

my main gripe was with bane though. don't get me wrong, i thought he was brilliant, and tom hardy was fantastic playing him, but the insta-death thing pissed me off, he deserved a better send off than that. the problem was in creating bane's new image as the sidekick, he suddenly became less important and we were expected to stop caring about him...

but i digress, i really liked the film and the ending satisfied me overall

 

[irishda]

I've said it before. Every movie has plot holes. Godfather, Star Wars, Avengers; it doesn't matter. Every story has holes because no author is omnipotent. The measure of a movie's worth is in its ability to make you forget the plot holes, and on that front the Dark Knight Rises succeeded for a lot of people.

I think DKR tried for a more complicated presentation, and while that certainly did come up short in some areas, I'll never fault a filmmaker for trying.

 

[Tayh]

Does nobody else have issue with having all the policemen escape from their 5-month long confinement looking no worse for wear than they day they were trapped?
-And how they then proceeded to charge 3 of those light tank vehicles and Bane's mob armed with assault rifles... And all the police had was small-arms guns.
-And then they proceeded to get into a huge, melee brawl instead of actually using their weapons.

 

[RedDeadFred]

I completely disagree with the passage of time stuff. I think they showed it quite well. Bruce looks significantly more weathered. I don't think the Robbin twist was really meant to be a twist. They were just confirming what the audience was already guessing.

The Talia twist surprised me and helped give a much more human view to Bane. I actually sympathized with him a bit after that. Bruce living his life and fulfilling Alfred's fantasy was just icing on the cake for me.

Another thing. Many people didn't like Bane's death but I actually enjoyed it. Not because of the one liner that came after but the fact that he was built up the entire movie as this unbeatable tank but then it shows that he really is just human.

 

[RedDeadFred]

They had all these ideas about anarchy and lower class revolution floating about. it was the core of bane's motivation and they just decided to say " fuck it" and scrapped it in favor of trying to make the series lore feel deeper by tying it needlessly together.

Did you even watch the movie? That wasn't Bane's motivation at all... He used those ideas as propaganda to tear the city apart. He just wanted Gotham to be destroyed because he believed the corruption was too deep. These are the same ideals carried by the rest of the League of Shadows.

 

[AlexWinter]

I didn't have a problem with most of the plot holes raised here. All of batman's questionable feats I answered with; because he's the goddamn batman.
However, one thing that gnaws at my appreciation for this movie is why the nuclear blast doesn't send a tsunami straight for Gotham.
If someone could settle that for me I would be most grateful.