Kremlin Leak?

[Agema]

I am somewhat sorry to bring up this guy again as it's been so refreshing without him but:

The person to ‘weaken’ America: what the Kremlin papers said about Trump

Documents appear to show how Russian intelligence worked to install their preferred candidate as president

www.theguardian.com

So, turns out there's been an alleged leak from the Kremlin; this has been doing the rounds with numerous intelligence agencies and is allegedly believed credible. This appears to be evidence of something that will probably surprise very few people: that Russia really did launch a major spy campaign to assist Trump to the presidency, signed off by Putin himself. According to Russian analysts in the report Trump is described as "mentally unstable", "impulsive", "imbalanced" and with an "inferiority complex", who would be perfect to cause division in US society and weaken the effectiveness of its policy. There is a suggestion that the Russians may have had compromising material on him from his previous visits there.

There appear to be two other interesting preoccupations: firstly the paranoid belief that the USA is behind everything, and secondly that reports on various issues seem to be written in such a way that show absolute confidence that Putin's policies and decisions have been good ideas. These are apparently recognised as typical to Russian government thinking.

The Kremlin denies the authenticity of this report.

 

[Seanchaidh]

A little too perfect.

 

[Buyetyen]

Interesting though unsurprising if true.

 

[Worgen]

It both sounds really plausible but also not really. The problem with it is that you never want someone who is unpredictable since they might do something you didn't predict. Although they sure as hell capitalized on trump once he was around.

 

[tstorm823]

Although they sure as hell capitalized on trump once he was around.

The most beneficial thing for Russia that came from the Trump presidency, without a doubt, is the American left-wing going completely insane.

 

[Worgen]

The most beneficial thing for Russia that came from the Trump presidency, without a doubt, is the American left-wing going completely insane.

Oh yeah, I remember you, go sit in the corner with houseman.

 

[Seanchaidh]

The most beneficial thing for Russia that came from the Trump presidency, without a doubt, is the American left-wing going completely insane.

*liberals

 

[Kwak]

The most beneficial thing for Russia that came from the Trump presidency, without a doubt, is the American left-wing going completely insane.

WTF? They aren't the ones who stormed the white house.
What particular complete insanity are you thinking of that compares to that?

 

[Seanchaidh]

*liberals

WTF? They aren't the ones who stormed the white house.
What particular complete insanity are you thinking of that compares to that?

oh yeah, and the right

 

[tstorm823]

WTF? They aren't the ones who stormed the white house.
What particular complete insanity are you thinking of that compares to that?

In what way do you think a single riot benefited Russia? The American left in their ridiculous treatment of Trump got a huge proportion of people to actually hate their country. Any reasonable person can see that US policy has been relatively consistent for decades independent of which party the president is. Biden is doing the same as Trump, which was the same as Obama, which was the same as Bush. At least one user here memes "nothing will fundamentally change". But for 4 years, everything was fascism.

The easy example is "kids in cages". The infamous picture is from the Obama presidency, Trump closed that facility, and now Biden has reopened it. But only for Trump, people were freaking out about "concentration camps". I'm not intending to condemn the Democrats here, the southern border is not a simple problem with a simple solution, and people are doing their best to handle it, and the courts have been extra unhelpful to that end. These are facilities that at this point offer food, shelter, and medical care to people who mostly turn themselves in while others are rescued from the wilderness, they offer security from cartels that many are fleeing, they have education facilities for children, they let people go back to their home country if they don't want to be there, and now half of America thinks these are concentration camps run by fascists because it was a convenient attack against Trump.

It's not even the most heinous thing, the number of lies during a once-in-a-century pandemic was disgusting. "Hey, Trump, people say you're not doing anything about the pandemic." "That's a hoax, of course we're doing stuff." Headline: Trump Says Covid-19 is a Hoax. Again, it's not even the Democrats. Democratic politicians at every level were cooperating with Republicans in the early days of the pandemic. It was the media and those even further left trying to turn a global tragedy into a revolutionary moment who set the national unity on fire.

*liberals

No. Not liberals. Lefties like you.

 

[Chimpzy]

 

[Agema]

The most beneficial thing for Russia that came from the Trump presidency, without a doubt, is the American left-wing going completely insane.

No, I really think it was Trump attempting to torch the USA's reputation with most of his allies from Japan to Europe, undermining international institutions, and helping rouse the US right to hate international organisations, treaties, their own allies, and unpick a load of US policy developed over preceding administrations.

And like someone said, it was your boys who sacked the Capitol. Oh, how Putin must have been laughing his head off in his bunker as those pictures rolled around the world. Inasmuch as Trump drove anyone insane, it was everyone. You're just selectively ignoring your own - that or you're so used to their lack of sanity that's been building for years that you didn't notice.

 

[Generals]

In what way do you think a single riot benefited Russia? The American left in their ridiculous treatment of Trump got a huge proportion of people to actually hate their country. Any reasonable person can see that US policy has been relatively consistent for decades independent of which party the president is. Biden is doing the same as Trump, which was the same as Obama, which was the same as Bush. At least one user here memes "nothing will fundamentally change". But for 4 years, everything was fascism.

Actually the assault on the capitol and all the nonsense surrounding the elections did help dictators like Putin or Xi. For Putin it was used as propaganda to show that the US can hardly complain about the state of elections in Russia while Americans have stolen elections. And Putin happily used Trump's version of the facts and claimed the capitol riots were just protests against stolen elections and concluded the US has no right to tell Russia they aren't allowed to arrest their protesters. In a way these events gave Putin easy propaganda to tell Russians the US is no better democracy wise. (and consequently that Russian democracy is not that bad)
For China it was more straight forward: look at that mess, with our regime you don't have that chaos.

But that's just peanuts. It's a small quick win for dictators like Putin. Where Trump truly shined was through his pro Russia stance (which was sabotaged by Congress, but he tried nonetheless) and his anti-Europe/NATO stance. Putin has always viewed the EU-US partnership and NATO as a threat. By undermining that threat he essentially gave Putin what he wanted. And on that aspect Biden is doing the exact opposite of Trump.

And about that proportion of people who hate their country... Any evidence of that?

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Oh yeah, I remember you, go sit in the corner with houseman.

Remove all dissenting voices! Be tolerantly exclusionary in your communities and never think of alternatives!

Kindly get off your high horse Worgen, and then let it kick your rear end.

 

[Hawki]

Kindly get off your high horse Worgen, and then let it kick your rear end.

But he's a pony. What horse is he on?

 

[Agema]

But he's a pony. What horse is he on?

None of that talk here, please. This is a family-friendly forum.

 

[Worgen]

No. Not liberals. Lefties like you.

Oh you meant online lefties, yeah, I can't really argue against that.

 

[Buyetyen]

Remove all dissenting voices! Be tolerantly exclusionary in your communities and never think of alternatives!

Kindly get off your high horse Worgen, and then let it kick your rear end.

Yes, yes, you're very victimized, we know.

 

[MrCalavera]

In what way do you think a single riot benefited Russia? The American left in their ridiculous treatment of Trump got a huge proportion of people to actually hate their country. Any reasonable person can see that US policy has been relatively consistent for decades independent of which party the president is. Biden is doing the same as Trump, which was the same as Obama, which was the same as Bush. At least one user here memes "nothing will fundamentally change". But for 4 years, everything was fascism.

Sounds like the smart thing conservatives should do right now is accept Biden's milquetoast calls for unity and America going "back in it's tracts".

You know, instead letting the loudest right-wing narrative hail him as Obama-steered, Antifa-Stalin that will let pedophilic liberal cabal run amok, and eventually allow to crucify Christ for the 2nd time, as America drowns in waves of immigrants.

If only they could do something about that.

 

[Specter Von Baren]

Yes, yes, you're very victimized, we know.

What the hell do I have to do with it? Victimization? Are you just a computer with a list of keywords to spew out? Use your brain instead of just throwing buzzwords at me.