Kremlin Leak?
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Generally wouldn't call Zontar a Nazi. More of a Libertarian. Sometimes those ideals align
Maybe. Honestly, when it comes to real life, I don't talk about politics much, and I haven't seen many people talk about politics, period.
Maybe it skews left, but the kooky opinions I mentioned have still been expressed. Heck, I've just come off from arguing against kooky opinions on the FNAF thread.
As for the forum ending up left of centre...well, I'm not disputing it's left of centre, but I doubt there's much correlation between playing games and political opinions. I mean, Gamergate was a thing, and that was broadly a right-wing reactionary movement. Call of Duty is one of the most popular franchises on Earth, and that's broadly right wing (incidentally, it's also part of why "keep politics out of games" is more "keep politics out of games that I don't like").
There certainly were kooky right-wing opinions here in the past, but it seems that, the Internet being the Internet, the site's gone through a filtering process. There's probably a site called Escapist, The, where it's mainly centre-right via that same filtering effect.
Uh, you're wrong. That's my response, you are wrong. He wasn't using the word "hoax" in reference to the virus in any sense. Here's a link of all the fact-checkers who don't like Trump telling you that you're wrong: https://www.politifact.com/article/2020/oct/08/ask-politifact-are-you-sure-donald-trump-didnt-cal/
You need to take some time off the internet. Your knowledge of America is really, seriously propagandized. Just as an example, Biden didn't reduce the numbers of people in detention, they're on pace to set records this year, but also that's because people are convinced that he'll welcome them in. No, it's not concentration camps.
He was using it about Democrats saying the virus was both deadly and something he was underestimating. But the virus was deadly and he was underestimating it.
The whole ''No I was just talking about Democrats saying covid is deadly and I was bungling it'' doesn't exactly help Trump when the Democrats version of events is true. If Trump disputes covid as something dangerous that he's underestimating as a hoax then Trump is essentially calling the covid that actually exists a hoax. Maybe Trump felt annoyed about the Democrats being able to ''get him'' on covid but denying the severity of it just to prevent that isn't helping his image on covid.
So when Russia tries to influence the US election, you think the people treating it as an attack by a foreign power are the insane ones? Not the people who decided that Trump is a Nazi and cried about it for 4 years?
Its not really anyone's fault but Trump's that he's been been taking after the Nazi regimes in certain ways. Not in the part about starting world wars, invading Poland or wanting to commit genocide for the lulz, but Trump is a demagogue. Considering fascism is merely demagoguery on steroids there's bound to be large degrees of overlap, and the fault of that lies on the politician maliciously deciding to become a demagogue, not the one who notice the overlap. And its worth noting that these overlaps are often something VERY worthy of ''crying about'' .
Your argument is self-defeating. Covid-19 has ravaged every nation on the planet that isn't a secluded island, and most of those too. To put the virus' impact in America down to "Trump bungling" is to effectively "call the Covid-19 that actually exists a hoax" yourself. There was nothing Trump could have done to prevent the pandemic from happening, suggesting otherwise is insane, which is what Democrats were doing, and what you're still doing now.
I don't think there's a better example of demagoguery in modern US politics than the sentence "Black Lives Matter", but that doesn't mean it overlaps with Hitler. Let's be a little less shallow here.
Covid indeed impact every country. However this just makes it easier to see that the types of demagogues such as Trump seem uniquely bad at handling the situation, because the toolkit they use to get to power just isn't very useful against a virus. There is indeed nothing that Trump could have done to prevent covid but there's everything he could have done to guide the States through it more competently.
Maybe your take on blm just isn't very good then? I don't think its a case of being shallow. Its really just a matter of pulling up a list of demagogic traits and see from even the most casual glance that Trump fits pretty much every one of then. And by the by, he fits a lot of items on the list of fascist traits too which is where the comparisons come from.
Just reminder where we were (in March)
Over 18,000 Migrant Kids Are Now In U.S. Custody—And The Total Is Growing Every Day (forbes.com)
Here's were I got a bunch of info
Revealed: Biden administration holding tens of thousands of migrant children | US immigration | The Guardian
Children tell of neglect, filth and fear in US asylum camps - BBC News
Migrant Children Moved To Emergency Shelters; Challenges Remain : NPR
Rising Border Encounters in 2021: An Overview and Analysis | American Immigration Council
Crisis at the border: How it happened and what is being done - ABC News (go.com)
Seems really positive articles on Biden right? So much positive propaganda for him. /s
A few of these note that the backlog is slowly being worked through so the refugees just don't sit there forever. Also, Biden rate of expulsion is 62ish% which I'm pretty sure Republicans would be pointing out because that seems like a decent number...right?
They're mostly the same people.
Anyway, yes, people calling a relatively tiny Facebook ad campaign that hit partly after the election was over and the alleged facilitation of a journalism is not "Our Pearl Harbor". Frankly, our system isn't democratic enough for even effective foreign subversion to constitute a meaningful attack. That Russia would attempt to look after its interests in our elections is no more noteworthy than that Israel or Alphabet Inc. does.
I didn't say it was pro-Biden. It's anti-America. You've been trained to see record numbers of people trying to reach America as an American fault. You've been trained to see facilities to keep people as torture chambers. Like, at least one of your links talks about "iceboxes", implying the border patrol puts people in refrigeration to cause them pain. What does border patrol have to say about those accusations? Their facilities are kept at 70 degrees. People complaining about that makes perfect sense, the AC at work is set at 72, and some people constantly say it's freezing, and we are used to a much colder climate than Mexico here. 70 is pretty low... but it's not torture, it's air conditioning.
Everything is spun to be horrible, everything framed to say America's very existence is sinful, and you've fallen for it.
He was just a (further) right winger. The rest was really an incoherent mish-mash of any strands floating around the further right, some of which are libertarian.
Oh! Well, if the people accused of the transgression say nothing is wrong, that's that solved!
Sure, but then you said some complaints were just propaganda, on the basis that the accused transgressors said there's nothing to see here.
More realistically, I think the expectation was that a government might do better at reducing the death toll.
Discounting Belgium, by official figures, effectively the only developed country that did worse than the USA is Italy and most have casualty rates around 50-70% of the USA. It's an abysmal performance from what would claim itself to be the greatest nation on Earth. And I think we all remember last year, and the abject chaos of Trump's federal government, centring around the highly erratic president himself.
As, relevant to the thread, exactly what the Russians predicted he would be like.