Dulcinea said:
Dana22 said:
I'm not one making the claim, burden of proof doesn't lie on me.
You're making the claim there is no god(s) and Theists are making the claim there is. Agnostics are the ones making no claims and also therefore the only ones not needing to supply any evidence to support their position.
Agnostics and Atheists are the same thing, neither believes in the existence of a deity.
The only difference is that agnostics either are misinformed about the two, or are too preoccupied with being politically correct to just take a freaking stance.
and no, agnostics aren't some "I don't know" middle ground. that only applies if you are on the fences between EVERY conceived deity. meaning that you are just as partial to believing in Jesus as you are in the alien lord xenu, or Zeus, Ra, Jupiter, Muhammed and well you get the point.
saying you are agnostic when you are only really considering the two possibilities of either a single religion, or none, and then to act like morally superior snobs to (confessed) full blown Atheists.
that is the true hight of hypocrisy.
and no, we can't prove that a deity doesn't exist. BUT we can show that given our current information the existence of a deity is Very unlikely indeed, especially if we are talking about existing or past religions exclusively. This can be done using a myriad of methods.
That's not to say that my stance wouldn't be open to the possibility of a total turnaround if there was even the SLIGHTEST shred of evidence.
In fact, if this were analogous of a court case. The bible would be practically launched out of the stand by catapult for being such an unreliable witness. It's full of contradictions and tall tales we can all but certainly (going by NOTHING is certain, except for ones own existance) know are false. It spews garbage about the origins of life and man, and tells of worldwide floods which there is NO proof of. why should a good deal of the bible be laughably debunk-able, but we take it on its word about things we CANNOT disprove.
Just arguing about this makes me facepalm at the utter faeces some people scoff as if it were garlic bread.
*final note, not an argument but an observation*
If we began with two people, Adam and Eve, and then they made nasty inbred incest-ness, and then they distilled it to Noah and his small family with a flood and repeated. Did some of noahs grandson/grandson-in-laws have like, 33 toes?