Leave me alone PC gamers!

[Sexual Harassment Panda]

Get ready, because after the Eurogamer KSI banning "controversy", I'm about to get all rant-y up in here.

/tiradeincoming

You know what? I'm tired of gaming's immature, insecure nitwit idiots who sit and whine about how much better their system is compared to everyone else's, or how much better one shooter is to another. The immaturity that is displayed in much of the technology/gaming fandom is just mind-blowing to me. Having a PC is better than having a console, or vice versa? Really?

Prove it.

No, seriously. Prove it. Prove beyond the shadow of a doubt that your PS3 is better than my Xbox or my PC. Or, try to prove that your PC is better than my PS3 and Wii. Do it. I'd love to see the strained, anal-retentive arguments that'd spume forth from your hole if you tried.

And don't give me that crap about how you don't HAVE to prove it, because it's established fact. No, it isn't. Get up and defend your opinions like an adult.

/bigrantover

I say whatever system you use, game on, brother. Don't let any of these losers rag on your choice of gaming device. It's about damn time the games industry grew into its big-boy pants.

Let's debate on the internet!... About unimportant things!! Like adults!!!...

I'm amused.

Thick skin, everybody...look into it. There's nothing of value you here, if you can't handle your platform being criticised...the problem is you. Whilst it might be a little silly to be putting "PC/PS3/360 is da best!" out there at every given oppurtunity, it's sillier to let it get to you. That's not adult...

And so we are just supposed to sit back and let these people be the loudest voice in gaming? No, I don't think so.

I just see how far games and their most-visible fans are from being publicly presentable and worthy of respect, that it irritates me. There are things that games can do as a story-telling medium that would elevate them to truly artistic masterpieces. But the prevailing culture within the games industry is based around this immature my-stuff-is-better-than your-stuff mentality, among others (like the male power-fantasy and the "its gotta be fun at all cost" crutch) and it feeds into the games themselves, holding them back.

Until enough people get mad at these things, AND DOES SOMETHING ABOUT THEM, rather than getting pissy over someone choosing a different game console than them, games will never live up to their full potential as a positive cultural force.

First you've got to get mad. I want you to go to your windows, open them up and yell "I'm mad as hell, and I'm not going to take it anymore!!"...

I don't think much of what you've said is true at all.

It's just sectarian silliness. It's not violent...and it's easily ignored. It's also pretty unimportant to the evolution of the medium. The developers need to put out these transcendant experiences, then we could vote for them with our moneyz. They don't release games like this because it's still a limited medium.

They're still just creating simple worlds with simple rules and systems because that is what is doable. Traversing space was nice and simple, so platformers boomed. Pointing at a person and pushing a button to make them dead is nice and simple too. Space traversal is what games do well at this point.

The step beyond this is a MASSIVE one to take. Whilst games can pack an emotional punch, they really have to do it in a linear fashion. So it's more like you're watching a contrived movie-sequence than it is that you're affecting the world in a meaningful way. I'm fine with this, but I can't help but feeling that it flies in the face of the people who think videogames are on the cusp of becoming something much bigger than what they are now...I don't see it. I see more of the same for many years to come.

 

[Signa]

Fixed that for you. Seriously, the vast majority of people who own a console are...

Wait for it........

People who own a console.

And that's it. The only common theme is that we all own a console, not that we're racist, or homophobic, or stupid, or anything else.

Yeah, go ahead and keep thinking that. Take offense to the supportive words I sent toward the OP for dealing with negative comments that he shouldn't have to, I don't care. None of that is going to change the stereotype that Xbox users are a bunch of drunk, racist frat-boys looking to take down "dem terrorists". Just because you and the OP are exceptions doesn't break the rule.

It's a fact that consoles cater to the lowest common denominator, so trying to pretend otherwise is just disingenuous. I don't doubt you have some counter examples lined up, but unless you think you can name off roughly 1/3rd of the games market under the heading of that list, you're just going to be lying to yourself. "LCD" games can still be fun, but when that is all there is to play in the whole market, gamers who want more than that start to get edgy. Everyone else is happy just picking up their next copy of Call of Duty year after year like it's the Madden franchise. I didn't pull out my SNES this weekend because I needed a hefty dose of nostalgia, gameplay design may have been more brutal than most people have patience for, but it also was far more rewarding and enjoyable to play.

Phrase it how you like, the attitude demonstrated in your posts is exactly the, "Hurr durr console tards PC gaming master race," way of thinking that the OP was calling out.

I bolded stereotype in your post, because that's exactly what you're doing, stereotyping a group of people to fit your preconceived ideas. Unless you have some evidence that the majority of console gamers fit your description, you're being a textbook example of a PC elitist.

Well, I don't deny that, but since I took some more time to catch up with the conversations in this thread, I don't see how anyone can think any differently. There's all sorts of posts in here talking about from every standpoint why PCs are just better. If knowing that fact makes me an elitist, then I can not take it as an insult.

Also, what this guy said:

Consoles just cater to peoples` stupidity and laziness and can be used as a metaphor for everything wrong in the world.

Being aware that PCs have many advantages does not make you a PC elitist. Stereotyping people who use a console either instead of or in addition to a PC as, "a bunch of drunk, racist frat boys," however, does.

Maybe if you had paid attention to what I said the first time you'd have avoided this argument. That's all my opinion really was to begin with. I just had to throw out some flavorful generalizations because you and that other dude seemed to be enjoying them so much.

So why do you take offense to that comment anyway? Do loud, obnoxious frat boys generally play PC games? I think my comments bothered you because there is an ounce of truth in them, and you don't want to be associated with those gamers. I can tell you right now that you have in no way given me any impression that you are a loud, obnoxious frat boy, but are a dude that just loves games just as much as I do. So why are we even at odds here?

 

[Jfswift]

Jokes aside, if anyone calls you stupid or a bad person, or not a "true gamer" because you game on a console, they're just being stupid themselves.

Certainly PCs have technical improvements and advantages over consoles. But this doesn't mean that PC gamers have free reign to browbeat console gamers because of it.

This coming from a PC gamer.

Hahahah wow. Yea I get that too from PC gamers but consoles have their pros and cons too.

 

[mrhateful]

WHY?!? did I miss this thread damn... Oh well all I can say is OP made some good points mainly that consoles aren't worth it and is an abomination on the industry, only thanks to kick starter are we finally able to get good games again(Project eternity). Or atleast this was how I understood his post.

Furthermore read my post a again but replace console with EA that way you get twice the value from one post.

 

[NotALiberal]

You know what the sad part is?

One Minute: GAMES FOCUS TOO MUCH ON GRAPHICS!
Next Minute: THIS GAME NEEDS 4024x4024 TEXTURE MODS ON EVERYTHING! EVEN THE PILLOWS!

One Minute: I HATE DRM!
Next Minute: THIS GAME ISN'T ON STEAM! WTF?!?!?!

One Minute: GAMES NEED TO BE LONGER THAN 6 HOURS!
Next Minute: LET'S BOYCOTT THE ONLY MAJOR COMPANY THAT MAKES REALLY LONG GAMES ANYMORE BECAUSE OF ENDINGS AND SHIT!

Why are PC gamers so fucking inconsistent...

Don't know what you're on about. I havn't seen that behavior very often.
On track though, it's due to just some elitist PC gamers which makes everyone annoyed. Both consoles and PC's have their pros and cons.

Wow. Nice strawman argument dude, you sure showed me.

 

[crazyrabbits]

Every forum, site and such I visit advocates PC gaming and makes it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry.

I have an issue of PC Gamer sitting here at home that I still remember reading through quite vividly when I bought it at a news stand in 2004. That issue had a "PC State of the Union" article, which detailed the common criticisms console gamers and the industry at large leveled against PC gamers, and how (and why) computer-based gaming was still thriving.

If PC players act like elitists, it's usually because most of the industry (for a time) turned their back on them. The times of barely-working, crippled PC ports became the norm instead of the exception, and developers were more apt to cut their losses on PC development and focus exclusively on console development. I've seen various interviews over the years where developers have made excuses that it isn't financially prudent to develop for consoles, that the technology isn't there...the usual excuses. Yet, we're finally getting back into a PC renaissance...the success of games like Alan Wake and the Elder Scrolls series, along with the rise of crowdfunding and the onrush of indie games, is making the PC the place to be. Not to mention the inherent advantages PC players have always had - mod support, unofficial patches and fixes, the ability to remove DRM via No-CD patches, in-game system console access, the ability to patch in cut content/on-disc DLC, mouselook and precise control, the ability to upgrade your system at any time, emulation, etc.

That doesn't excuse the behaviour certain PC gamers have displayed towards you, though.

 

[SnowBurst]

1) PC has amazingly better graphics on the same game then on consoles like for instance Crysis and Battlefield 3 amazing on consoles 10 times better on PC. 2) you can get that 360/PS3 even Wii controller to work with a PC and even forest gump could do it. 3) a PC relatively is cheaper then a console where you pay say £200 for a console brand new thatll last maybe a few years then youll be FORCED to buy the next console youll pay about £600-£1000 for a PC thatll last years playing from ultra down to low over the years. 4) almost every game on console is on PC and every older console game can be emulated on a PC from PS1 era back easily PS2 era maybe a bit dificuilt but not impossible. 5) you can do a lot more then gaming with a PC. That is why consoles will forever be money grabbing machines and inferior

 

[SnowBurst]

Every forum, site and such I visit advocates PC gaming and makes it seem like consoles are the reason for everything bad in the industry.

I have an issue of PC Gamer sitting here at home that I still remember reading through quite vividly when I bought it at a news stand in 2004. That issue had a "PC State of the Union" article, which detailed the common criticisms console gamers and the industry at large leveled against PC gamers, and how (and why) computer-based gaming was still thriving.

If PC players act like elitists, it's usually because most of the industry (for a time) turned their back on them. The times of barely-working, crippled PC ports became the norm instead of the exception, and developers were more apt to cut their losses on PC development and focus exclusively on console development. I've seen various interviews over the years where developers have made excuses that it isn't financially prudent to develop for consoles, that the technology isn't there...the usual excuses. Yet, we're finally getting back into a PC renaissance...the success of games like Alan Wake and the Elder Scrolls series, along with the rise of crowdfunding and the onrush of indie games, is making the PC the place to be. Not to mention the inherent advantages PC players have always had - mod support, unofficial patches and fixes, the ability to remove DRM via No-CD patches, in-game system console access, the ability to patch in cut content/on-disc DLC, mouselook and precise control, the ability to upgrade your system at any time, emulation, etc.

That doesn't excuse the behaviour certain PC gamers have displayed towards you, though.

i cant name very many console only AAA good titles halo springs to mind but thats about it and with steam its making PC gaming cripple console gaming i have a laptop for 2 years thtll play everything tht comes out now and i can use a 360 controller with it if i want and plug a hdmi cable in and put it to my tv no problem why would anyone need a console when they can get what i have for £300 boggles my mind i have all 3 consoles over the years and i only really play them for exclusives like halo and even then its starting to not be worth it

 

[SnowBurst]

why would anyone need a console

Because I can't afford the start up cost of a gaming PC.

But hey, I'll offer you the same challenge I give to any PC "master race" type;

Show me a PC build from the ground up, WITHOUT USING "MIDNIGHT MADNESS"-style SALES OR AUCTIONS THAT PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE AROUND WHEN I TRY IT, that can run Sleeping Dogs on max settings with the HD patch at 50+fps for 200-300$ American, and I'll burn every console I own on Youtube. You up for that?

well my laptop right now is what $300 i think now n itll run sleeping dogs on high probably but if a laptop can do tht a desktop of the same price wud do it easily u can say consoles are cheaper all u wnat but thts false if u buy a dekstop for $1000 (im british so i dno american) itll last for about 2 or 3 console gens. u invest in a pc for longevity a console is a "hurr play now" thing a pc is a "ill pay a crap load now n enjoy it for years"

 

[Treefingers]

Been a hardcore console gamer for nearly 20 years now, and today I put through an order for a sweet PC gaming rig. Diving into the PC world for the first time. It feels fucking good.

 

[Alatar The Red]

why would anyone need a console

Because I can't afford the start up cost of a gaming PC.

But hey, I'll offer you the same challenge I give to any PC "master race" type;

Show me a PC build from the ground up, WITHOUT USING "MIDNIGHT MADNESS"-style SALES OR AUCTIONS THAT PROBABLY WON'T EVEN BE AROUND WHEN I TRY IT, that can run Sleeping Dogs on max settings with the HD patch at 50+fps for 200-300$ American, and I'll burn every console I own on Youtube. You up for that?

A completely flawed argument. You're expecting way higher quality for the same amount of money. If you asked me to spec out a rig that could run it at 30fps and at low/medium graphics that might be a good comparison.

Besides who doesn't own a computer of their own these days? The extra money you need to put into a computer to make it into a nice gaming rig pretty much goes towards a bigger PSU and a discrete GPU. You can do that at a much lower price than the price of a console. If you want to have those nice graphics and a high framerate, then you might want to spend a couple hundred bucks on a GPU.

But hey, let's just ask people to build a straight up superior machine that does way more than any console ever could for the same money. That makes sense, right?

 

[Signa]

Been a hardcore console gamer for nearly 20 years now, and today I put through an order for a sweet PC gaming rig. Diving into the PC world for the first time. It feels fucking good.

I hope you consulted someone first. This has "famous last words" written all over it.

I'm not trying to call you an idiot or anything, it's just I've heard comments like yours followed by "MY PC SUCKS! PC GAMES SUCK! NEVER AGAIN!" and I don't want that to be you. There is a barrier for entry in PC gaming, though it's a low one, and apparently on a street that sells step ladders, but that doesn't stop people from tripping on it.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

Anyone who complains about any vocal segment of a demographic and acts as if that's the whole demographic has forgotten the concept of a vocal minority.

 

[Waaghpowa]

This shit is still going on? Seriously mods, if this were a thread about console tards, you would have locked the thread and/or handed out warnings/suspensions to the poster and some of the involved. Yet I don't see it ever happening. Way to be impartial.

 

[SL33TBL1ND]

You want people to stop making generalizations? Correct people like Sanat.

I just did? My post just implied that those people are a vocal minority. Albeit in a snarky way.

 

[blackrave]

Versus being a ***** for Microsoft/Linux/Mac? Only way that argument holds water is if you programmed your own operating system which also runs games. If not, you're just a ***** to a friendlier company. If so, more power to ya.

You don't get it do you?
At least in case of Microsoft and Linux Foundations, they don't own my computer and don't dictate what I can or can't setup and use in it. I have no knowledge regarding Apple though.

 

[Boris Goodenough]

Again, things I never hear from car affecionados or home builders, but I get told quite often around here. Toys inspire such fanaticism, and I don't get it...

I think that has something to do with new chips (new generation) come out every 1-2 years, cars come every 4-8 years, and homes last a life time.

So chips get very short time in the spot light.

 

[Mauler]

I am PC gamer and i'm not proud of it because i couldnt afford even playstation 2 now.I had in my home only one game console(besides Tetris handheld) first Sega(to some Dandy) and i feel that my Pc (besides work( is greater because i hawe a bad console experience. I would want to hate other game consoles because they are different but i can't because i am not presumptuos, ergo you cant(well you can like most PC(and only) gamers) hate(and i mean really hate(like burning on a dirty stick made of old socks and livers) something when you hawent tried it.

 

[blackrave]

Who are you and why aren't there more of you on this forum?

I can't be too sure why. From what I observed, some people are so into their preferences that they will use them as a weapon. Again I don't see the point. I'm of the mindset that you can be proud of your preferences within a varied medium, such as gaming, without conflict or disdain for the other aspects of that medium.

Do you feel similar?

I think you don't understand argument here
On the software level you are right, games are games, and we all are playing games not MS Excel spreadsheets.

It is the hardware level where things get messy (at least for me, maybe I am minority amongst PC gamers)
Because consoles are slavery
While slavers have done few magnificent things (Pyramids, Coliseum, etc.), I don't like slavery.
Similarly with consoles- few good things, have plenty of bad counterparts.
Want to modify your console? You aren't allowed, because you only borrowed it from MS/Sony/Nintendo.

 

[blackrave]

And with games? You can install whatever you want, but if you want to play the majority of games you NEED to have their operating system, or their client, or their codex. The greatest prison is one that the prisoner forgets they're in.

You are talking about technical limitations (have you even seen Win3.1.1. ?)
I am talking about being forbidden to do something (can you install/run RAMdisc on your PS3 or use mods for Minecraft on X360? Maybe. Are you allowed to do that? No.)