Leave me alone PC gamers!

[MiracleOfSound]

Why are PC gamers so fucking inconsistent...

Probably because are there are a lot of them, with a lot of different opinions.

 

[Entitled]

People like Sanat can simply shut the fuck up, they don't know anything about me. It is wrong to think all PC gamers elitist (I never even mentioned the word in my post I believe) but it's just as bad to think a console gamer is a poor, idiot who can't build a PC or doesn't have passion for gaming.

That sums it up well.

The whole center of this problem is exactly that there are these two separate groups of gamers, both having their own idea of what is the absolute highest expression of their "passion for gaming", and why they are on top of the "food chain", as opposed to others who don't care about gaming all that mutch.

Two entirely different paradigms, developed over the decades: console gaming started out with the premise of mixing the fun shootey button-smashey action of the Arcade with the lay back and relax comfort of the TV, while PC gaming was inspired by tabletop game ports, and in a way, by utility software: crouching over statistics, menus, settings, mods, basically being in full control.

Fun, comfort, and spectacle, vs. flexibility, precision, and extensive control.

In my previous posts, I compared conole gamers to people who only watch summer blockbusters, or who only play Angry Birds, but that's not exactly fair: a significant difference is, that these groups never claimed to be passionate fans to begin with. Saying that someone who only watched The Expendables 2 and Battleship this year is "not a true film connoisseur", is like saying that Richard Dawkins is not a true Christian. No, they aren't but they probably wouldn't argue that claim anyways.

Yet, with consoles and PCs, we have these people who show some typical attributes of non-committed audiences, explicitly preferring simplicity and accessibility over flexibility and full potential, praising the safe and predictable uniformization over personal control and experimentation, yet at the same time, they spent decades identifying themselves as gamers, had their share of nerd rages on gamer sites, write gamer blogs, debate games as art, etc.

So on that level, yes, we obviously have to say that we are all equally valid gamers.

On the other hand, even if I can't objectively justify why the PC paradigm is superior (since all entertainment is subjective), and maybe I only follow it because I was raised with it, I will continue to call it the best.

In the same way, as I can't justify why Twilight is shit even if others like it, and their opinion is as valid as mine. It's true that there are others who were raised under a paradigm that makes them like it, but I'm not them, I can only speak from my perspective.

Just be content with me not calling you an idiot, OK?

 

[Mumorpuger]

I don't need console friends! I have my extra 30fps to keep me company!

 

[Dr Hammer]

For fucks sake people, when are you going to learn that theres assholes everywhere?
Stop beeing a whiny little pussy.

This - a comment can only have power over you if you let it. And on the internet, there's a lot of people looking for that power.

 

[ElPatron]

I suppose it's the normal reaction to the thousands spitting bile on the internet if you dare use a PC to play games.

It works for both sides, you're feeling just one.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

And if that's the case, then do it already man!

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well (plus, if there is a some huge leap in graphics made you can SLI in another card of your card the next year when it's even cheaper).

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC" mindset, while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories, the much more expensive games, or even having to pay to play online.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the mind-blowing-ly still an issue RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

 

[Thyunda]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, last a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well.

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC", while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories and much more expensive games for their console.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

My wrist hurts if I play PC too long. Also my neck hurts. And the keyboard is really frickin loud. Also I hate PC shooters. I also can't drive with a keyboard. World of Warplanes would be more fun with a controller. PC servers confuse my poor, linguistic-oriented brain. I don't have to share my Xbox. Either of them. Also FIFA is weirdly fun and it'd be strange to expect all my friends to suddenly upgrade their PCs too. Oh and my Xbox never RROD'd on me. And all the accessories came with it.

And I hate using a mouse. Did I mention that already?

 

[AnotherAvatar]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, last a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well.

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC", while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories and much more expensive games for their console.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

My wrist hurts if I play PC too long. Also my neck hurts. And the keyboard is really frickin loud. Also I hate PC shooters. I also can't drive with a keyboard. World of Warplanes would be more fun with a controller. PC servers confuse my poor, linguistic-oriented brain. I don't have to share my Xbox. Either of them. Also FIFA is weirdly fun and it'd be strange to expect all my friends to suddenly upgrade their PCs too. Oh and my Xbox never RROD'd on me. And all the accessories came with it.

And I hate using a mouse. Did I mention that already?

1) You are so lucky on the RROD, I both had two systems that did it to me, and worked at a GameStop for a minute where I was CONSTANTLY seeing them coming in.

2) Not all keyboards are loud, and I find during gaming I'm not lifting my fingers as much as when I type, so it doesn't really get loud at all even on my standard keyboard... I mean it's not like you're typing a paragraph, you're hitting wasd. space is likely the only loudness, and it's not larger a bother than the vibration of rumble.

3) You likely only hate PC shooters because you get wrecked in them. No offense, not saying you're a bad player, it's just anyone who doesn't/can't use a mouse always does, because it's WAY easier to point and click someone in the face than work an imaginary cursor with two sticks into someone's face. And for some games, like RTS or Adventure, controllers just feel weird. That said, I use my DualShock3's wirelessly with my PC using Bluetooth whenever I want to play a console game (Arkham City is a great example as of late, as that on a keyboard would likely not be fun). That's what's so sweet about PC, you can have your cake and eat it too.

4) All the accessories except rechargeable batteries, a cable to charge them, a mic, other controller for when friends come over, headsets for them if you want to game online, oh and let's not forget your subscription to Xbox Live.

5) The only argument I can totally understand in this post is convincing everyone to switch over, as I have a copy of Borderlands and Dead Island that I just won't play because none of my friends have a PC/have a PC Copy of them. So that does suck, but I sort of blame the publishers and console companies on that one, as cross platform play should be a standard, but the industry won't admit that as that would be just one less barrier to catch money in.

P.S. They make mousepads with wrist cushions, they are amazing for stiff wrists, really though you shouldn't be suffering unless you game for an over-extended period of time, which isn't healthy on console either, just feels more comfortable because you're on a couch (which I shouldn't say, as I have my PC set up in my living room).

P.P.S. All of that said: to each their own. I can only show you the path to Valhalla, only you can walk it.

 

[Enizer]

i have always been primarily a PC gamer, but i was always fine with consoles, and console games, untill i started seeing features pulled, interfaces simplified, and things like that, all in the name of "multi-platform compatibility"
that's a little over the line for me

i'm still not against console gamers, and i even agree, some games are better on console

however, this need for publishers to "appeal to all potential markets" is creating mountains of bland crap, which PC gamers somehow feel the need to punish the end user for, instead of trying to fight, for even find, the ones actually responsible

and everyone will now realize this and be nice to each other!(i can always dream, no?)


captcha: which is hardest?
of the options provided, i'm going to say napping is harder then rocket science,(go sleep disorders, yay!) i can see what you wanted though

 

[Thyunda]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, last a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well.

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC", while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories and much more expensive games for their console.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

My wrist hurts if I play PC too long. Also my neck hurts. And the keyboard is really frickin loud. Also I hate PC shooters. I also can't drive with a keyboard. World of Warplanes would be more fun with a controller. PC servers confuse my poor, linguistic-oriented brain. I don't have to share my Xbox. Either of them. Also FIFA is weirdly fun and it'd be strange to expect all my friends to suddenly upgrade their PCs too. Oh and my Xbox never RROD'd on me. And all the accessories came with it.

And I hate using a mouse. Did I mention that already?

1) You are so lucky on the RROD, I both had two systems that did it to me, and worked at a GameStop for a minute where I was CONSTANTLY seeing them coming in.

2) Not all keyboards are loud, and I find during gaming I'm not moving my hands as much as when I type, so it doesn't really get loud at all even on my standard keyboard... I mean it's not like you're typing a paragraph, you're hitting wasd. space is likely the only loudness, and it's not larger a bother than the vibration of rumble.

3) You likely only hate PC shooters because you get wrecked in them. No offense, not saying you're a bad player, it's just anyone who doesn't/can't use a mouse always does, because it's WAY easier to point and click someone in the face than work an imaginary cursor with two sticks into someone's face. And for some games, like RTS or Adventure, controllers just feel weird. That said, I use my DualShock3's wirelessly with my PC using Bluetooth whenever I want to play a console game (Arkham City is a great example as of late, as that on a keyboard would likely not be fun). That's what's so sweet about PC, you can have your cake and eat it too.

4) All the accessories except rechargeable batteries, a cable to charge them, a mic, other controller for when friends come over, headsets for them if you want to game online, oh and let's not forget your subscription to Xbox Live.

5) The only argument I can totally understand in this post is convincing everyone to switch over, as I have a copy of Borderlands and Dead Island that I just won't play because none of my friends have a PC/have a PC Copy of them. So that does suck, but I sort of blame the publishers and console companies on that one, as cross platform play should be a standard, but the industry won't admit that as that would be just one less barrier to catch money in.

P.S. They make mousepads with wrist cushions, they are amazing for stiff wrists, really though you shouldn't be suffering unless you game for an over-extended period of time, which isn't healthy on console either, just feels more comfortable because you're on a couch (which I shouldn't say, as I have my PC set up in my living room).

P.P.S. All of that said: to each their own. I can only show you the path to Valhalla, only you can walk it.

1) But then you'd ONLY have heard of the ones that were problematic, 'cause nobody would bring in a healthy one. But yeah I DID have one Xbox RRoD, but it got fixed pretty promptly.

2) I turn vibration off on my controllers. It serves no purpose but to piss me off.

3) That's likely true. I feel PC shooters lack the flow console shooters have. The straight-edge movement feels so unnatural compared to the rolling momentum controllers have. But for RTS, the PC has no equal. I'll agree there.

4) £40 a year is nothing. I'm 20, I earn more than that in a week even with my below-minimum wage job. And now that that's even over, I still have till June to pay for my next subscription. My headset came with the Xbox and my controller isn't wireless, because I have no idea what kind of person thought they would be a good idea.

5) I played Borderlands splitscreen, and even bought my brother a copy of Dead Island so we could play while I lived away from home.


Now here's my real justification for using a console. An Xbox 360 will fit on a TV table. Hell, you can mount your TV ON your console. My friend moved into his flat recently. He sleeps on a mattress on the floor because he can't get a moving-van in yet. He has a TV though, and I could sling my 360 into my laptop bag, wire it up and play a night of FIFA or something. As for a PC? It needs a desk. It's incredibly static. Can't be social with a PC. I have...um...three Xboxes because I moved out from home and my mother bought one for me to play with my brother while I was in another city. Then I came home after a year or so, and by then my brother's Xbox's laser had just...stopped working. So I bought my friend's 360 to replace it. I find it simple, social and enjoyable. No arsing about with ports and servers and shit like that. I play Minecraft on the Xbox regularly with friends. Tried to play PC Minecraft online. That was a headache. Even worse, Terraria just flat-out wouldn't work. I tell you what consoles need. Consoles need Steam. Then I'd have no criticism.


And damn your wrist-cushions. Who the hell thinks it's acceptable to have to arm a peripheral with safety features?

Captcha: Cheese Steak. That's fucking amazing.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

fair enough...what if after your bills, your payments to the government and whatnot...you dont' have enough money to buy a pc?

Thus is my problem, and the main reason I dislike PC's and PC elitists. Simply put I do not have the money nor the patience to get a PC. The games I want are on the xbox, and quite frankly: I do not care which one is more powerful. What I care about is if I am having fun.

As I mentioned before, A PC is cheaper in almost every circumstance unless you're silly and buy from Apple with their 600% markup. It's essentially awash for purchasing both systems if you own a single console. If you own multiple consoles the averages point to the PC being less expensive. Especially if you consider that games can be gotten much cheaper on a console.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 'patience.' It takes like two hours of work maximum to set up everything on a PC. Including installing the OS, which you can basically go do something else while the computer installs it. If you seriously don't have the patience to do something for 2 hours then that probably explains your financial problems.

Also I'm pretty sure every game you want on xbox is on PC as well because pretty much everything is ported. The only difference is that I buy it for like 5-15$.

Pretty much another idea I don't like.

You don't like the idea of a more powerful system becoming far cheaper than the alternatives? I really can't argue against that because you're basically using the same argument the Amish make.

Further down you are arguing with someone to actually make them consider buying a PC when they play console.

I'm arguing with them because I find it cathartic and fun. People never listen to logic when presented in an argumentative format. My pointing out how much better PCs are will more likely drive the people I'm arguing with away from PCs. Which isn't a universal truth, but is true for most people. They view it as an attack on their person and their egos activate must win mode and they use all their intellectual capacity coming up with damage control ideas rather than looking at the facts and trying to make an argument based on them.(which isn't to say that the person I was trying to 'convince' did that, s/he actually seemed to try to be using well reasoned arguments.

But to convince most everyone you have to leave them an out. You have to compliment them and twist language around to make it seem like it was at least partially their idea so that they can feel good about themselves by moving towards your side of the argument. Which is a skill I'm actually quite good at, but have no desire to do here, because this is more fun to me. The only difference is that I'm quite aware of what I'm doing and the results of it.

You list how the PC is better in everyway as usual and act as if owning a console is illogical or stupid.

I listed how it's economically better. I didn't even touch on the actual features.

Also doing something stupid, does not a stupid person make. I know multiple very talented and intelligent people who don't believe in macroevolution. And I have made a lot of stupid decisions, the difference is that I analyze them and learn from them.

Also you're last sentance actually disgusts me.

you are last sentance.

Are you some kind of gaming messiah that must spread his teachings to the unwashed masses?

Why yes I am, let my divinity be your apotheosis.

And do you really not wash at all? I don't think that's a console thing. Pretty sure that's all you.

Let people play what they want instead of trying to convert them.

Firstly, you're acting like I'm breaking down your door and demanding that you throw away all your consoles. You made this thread about this subject not me. And ignoring other people is super easy considering this is all happening on the internet and you can literally just leave any thread about it. If that's not a skill you have, then life is going to be really difficult.

Secondly, that makes no sense whatsoever. If no one tried to convince anyone else of a specific way of thought or ideology then democracy, medicine, science, philosophy would all not exist and we would still be living in caves. Trying to convert people to better ideas is the foundation of civilization.

Thirdly, it's not that simple. What people purchase effects the industry and therefore effects me. Both by making things more expensive to me personally and by depriving developers of money via console dev licensing. Which if they didn't have to pay would allow them to either lower prices, or to create bigger, better and more polished games.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

And if that's the case, then do it already man!

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well (plus, if there is a some huge leap in graphics made you can SLI in another card of your card the next year when it's even cheaper).

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC" mindset, while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories, the much more expensive games, or even having to pay to play online.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the mind-blowing-ly still an issue RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

If you read my post you would know I have a descent PC with an £80 graphics card. Seriously leave me to my shit system and stop being a damn priest. The only games I prefer on PC are RTS. Seriously do you guys every stop trying to make everyone a PC gamer? I havn't had RRoD since the jasper chip and people like you really get on my nerves. The smart alick 'There is no logical reason to play console' bastard that thinks all the problems of the industry will go away if people play PC.

As I said PC is better for RTS, that is all. Shooters are floaty and stupid on the PC. I played Fire Warrior a few years back and the PS2 version was so much better.

 

[Sight Unseen]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, last a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well.

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC", while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories and much more expensive games for their console.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

My wrist hurts if I play PC too long. Also my neck hurts. And the keyboard is really frickin loud. Also I hate PC shooters. I also can't drive with a keyboard. World of Warplanes would be more fun with a controller. PC servers confuse my poor, linguistic-oriented brain. I don't have to share my Xbox. Either of them. Also FIFA is weirdly fun and it'd be strange to expect all my friends to suddenly upgrade their PCs too. Oh and my Xbox never RROD'd on me. And all the accessories came with it.

And I hate using a mouse. Did I mention that already?

Just letting you know that the majority of your problems listed in your post can be solved simply by plugging your xbox 360 controller into your pc. I do it from time to time and most modern PC games have key mappings for controllers already built in so you dont have to waste hours mapping the keys to your controller.

 

[Kikyoo]

There are some games that are just better on PC. But I still mostly play on my PS3. I got Darksouls on the PS3 when it came out. I did not on the PC because I don't have a gaming controller for the PC. I have a PS3, and I've had a PS3 a lot longer than I've had my current computer. So whatever. I do play "some" games on the PC when it's convenient for me, like BL2 so I can play that mess with my friends. But I even played Skyrim on the PS3, and I would not have enjoyed it at all on the PC... I'm not into modding, I'm not into a lot of stuff. I just wanted to play it, and I did. Basically exclusives are what keep me coming back to console games.Generally if I have a choice to have it on a console or a PC I will usually pick the console.

 

[gorfias]

My PC can crush my PS3 (not even going to write about my Wii. Stop laughing, that is what it is called). But it also cost a fortune. Somethings, a guy got to do.

But when you play Just Cause 2 on a PS3 and see how pretty it is, you have to note: PC gaming is about stretching boundaries for fun. And it is fun. But you just want to game with great graphics? The PS3 is fine.

Makes me wonder what they'll do for PS4.

 

[VeneratedWulfen93]

fair enough...what if after your bills, your payments to the government and whatnot...you dont' have enough money to buy a pc?

Thus is my problem, and the main reason I dislike PC's and PC elitists. Simply put I do not have the money nor the patience to get a PC. The games I want are on the xbox, and quite frankly: I do not care which one is more powerful. What I care about is if I am having fun.

As I mentioned before, A PC is cheaper in almost every circumstance unless you're silly and buy from Apple with their 600% markup. It's essentially awash for purchasing both systems if you own a single console. If you own multiple consoles the averages point to the PC being less expensive. Especially if you consider that games can be gotten much cheaper on a console.

And I'm not sure what you mean by 'patience.' It takes like two hours of work maximum to set up everything on a PC. Including installing the OS, which you can basically go do something else while the computer installs it. If you seriously don't have the patience to do something for 2 hours then that probably explains your financial problems.

Also I'm pretty sure every game you want on xbox is on PC as well because pretty much everything is ported. The only difference is that I buy it for like 5-15$.

Pretty much another idea I don't like.

You don't like the idea of a more powerful system becoming far cheaper than the alternatives? I really can't argue against that because you're basically using the same argument the Amish make.

Further down you are arguing with someone to actually make them consider buying a PC when they play console.

I'm arguing with them because I find it cathartic and fun. People never listen to logic when presented in an argumentative format. My pointing out how much better PCs are will more likely drive the people I'm arguing with away from PCs. Which isn't a universal truth, but is true for most people. They view it as an attack on their person and their egos activate must win mode and they use all their intellectual capacity coming up with damage control ideas rather than looking at the facts and trying to make an argument based on them.(which isn't to say that the person I was trying to 'convince' did that, s/he actually seemed to try to be using well reasoned arguments.

But to convince most everyone you have to leave them an out. You have to compliment them and twist language around to make it seem like it was at least partially their idea so that they can feel good about themselves by moving towards your side of the argument. Which is a skill I'm actually quite good at, but have no desire to do here, because this is more fun to me. The only difference is that I'm quite aware of what I'm doing and the results of it.

You list how the PC is better in everyway as usual and act as if owning a console is illogical or stupid.

I listed how it's economically better. I didn't even touch on the actual features.

Also doing something stupid, does not a stupid person make. I know multiple very talented and intelligent people who don't believe in macroevolution. And I have made a lot of stupid decisions, the difference is that I analyze them and learn from them.

Also you're last sentance actually disgusts me.

you are last sentance.

Are you some kind of gaming messiah that must spread his teachings to the unwashed masses?

Why yes I am, let my divinity be your apotheosis.

And do you really not wash at all? I don't think that's a console thing. Pretty sure that's all you.

Let people play what they want instead of trying to convert them.

Firstly, you're acting like I'm breaking down your door and demanding that you throw away all your consoles. You made this thread about this subject not me. And ignoring other people is super easy considering this is all happening on the internet and you can literally just leave any thread about it. If that's not a skill you have, then life is going to be really difficult.

Secondly, that makes no sense whatsoever. If no one tried to convince anyone else of a specific way of thought or ideology then democracy, medicine, science, philosophy would all not exist and we would still be living in caves. Trying to convert people to better ideas is the foundation of civilization.

Thirdly, it's not that simple. What people purchase effects the industry and therefore effects me. Both by making things more expensive to me personally and by depriving developers of money via console dev licensing. Which if they didn't have to pay would allow them to either lower prices, or to create bigger, better and more polished games.

This is gaming. Not civilisation. I am aware of the benefits of PC gaming however for me console is the logical choice.
1. i want to game with my friends. None of whom play PC or are interested in playing PC.
2. There is no room in my room for a PC.
3. My internet goes off at 11 due to my parents trying to save electricity so I wouldn't be able to play any games on steam due to the recquired online connection.
4. My console makes me happy, I feel no differant when I play Dawn of War on my PC.

Now for reasons why I havn't abandoned thread.
1. Its a discussion, I wanted to discuss this with people. "Leave me alone PC gamers!" was a title I chose in refererance to Bad Education not "Leave Britney Alone."
2. It presents interesting viewpoints, confirms my point and hammers another nail into the coffin of this bloody issue.
3. Its my effing thread I can do what I want. Get pissed off, argue and such its all in the experience of learning.

 

[Mycroft Holmes]

:words:

As someone else mentioned you can use any game controller you want on a PC. You can also plug your PC into the TV if that's the reason why your 'neck is hurting.' Unless your TV is like a CRT from the 90s there should be a connector for the monitor so that you can switch the input. And if it is a really old TV you can probably buy an adapter for like a buck fifty at most.

That's the setup that I have and it's really nice for watching streaming netflix and other videos.

 

[AnotherAvatar]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, last a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well.

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC", while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories and much more expensive games for their console.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

My wrist hurts if I play PC too long. Also my neck hurts. And the keyboard is really frickin loud. Also I hate PC shooters. I also can't drive with a keyboard. World of Warplanes would be more fun with a controller. PC servers confuse my poor, linguistic-oriented brain. I don't have to share my Xbox. Either of them. Also FIFA is weirdly fun and it'd be strange to expect all my friends to suddenly upgrade their PCs too. Oh and my Xbox never RROD'd on me. And all the accessories came with it.

And I hate using a mouse. Did I mention that already?

1) You are so lucky on the RROD, I both had two systems that did it to me, and worked at a GameStop for a minute where I was CONSTANTLY seeing them coming in.

2) Not all keyboards are loud, and I find during gaming I'm not moving my hands as much as when I type, so it doesn't really get loud at all even on my standard keyboard... I mean it's not like you're typing a paragraph, you're hitting wasd. space is likely the only loudness, and it's not larger a bother than the vibration of rumble.

3) You likely only hate PC shooters because you get wrecked in them. No offense, not saying you're a bad player, it's just anyone who doesn't/can't use a mouse always does, because it's WAY easier to point and click someone in the face than work an imaginary cursor with two sticks into someone's face. And for some games, like RTS or Adventure, controllers just feel weird. That said, I use my DualShock3's wirelessly with my PC using Bluetooth whenever I want to play a console game (Arkham City is a great example as of late, as that on a keyboard would likely not be fun). That's what's so sweet about PC, you can have your cake and eat it too.

4) All the accessories except rechargeable batteries, a cable to charge them, a mic, other controller for when friends come over, headsets for them if you want to game online, oh and let's not forget your subscription to Xbox Live.

5) The only argument I can totally understand in this post is convincing everyone to switch over, as I have a copy of Borderlands and Dead Island that I just won't play because none of my friends have a PC/have a PC Copy of them. So that does suck, but I sort of blame the publishers and console companies on that one, as cross platform play should be a standard, but the industry won't admit that as that would be just one less barrier to catch money in.

P.S. They make mousepads with wrist cushions, they are amazing for stiff wrists, really though you shouldn't be suffering unless you game for an over-extended period of time, which isn't healthy on console either, just feels more comfortable because you're on a couch (which I shouldn't say, as I have my PC set up in my living room).

P.P.S. All of that said: to each their own. I can only show you the path to Valhalla, only you can walk it.

1) But then you'd ONLY have heard of the ones that were problematic, 'cause nobody would bring in a healthy one. But yeah I DID have one Xbox RRoD, but it got fixed pretty promptly.

2) I turn vibration off on my controllers. It serves no purpose but to piss me off.

3) That's likely true. I feel PC shooters lack the flow console shooters have. The straight-edge movement feels so unnatural compared to the rolling momentum controllers have. But for RTS, the PC has no equal. I'll agree there.

4) £40 a year is nothing. I'm 20, I earn more than that in a week even with my below-minimum wage job. And now that that's even over, I still have till June to pay for my next subscription. My headset came with the Xbox and my controller isn't wireless, because I have no idea what kind of person thought they would be a good idea.

5) I played Borderlands splitscreen, and even bought my brother a copy of Dead Island so we could play while I lived away from home.


Now here's my real justification for using a console. An Xbox 360 will fit on a TV table. Hell, you can mount your TV ON your console. My friend moved into his flat recently. He sleeps on a mattress on the floor because he can't get a moving-van in yet. He has a TV though, and I could sling my 360 into my laptop bag, wire it up and play a night of FIFA or something. As for a PC? It needs a desk. It's incredibly static. Can't be social with a PC. I have...um...three Xboxes because I moved out from home and my mother bought one for me to play with my brother while I was in another city. Then I came home after a year or so, and by then my brother's Xbox's laser had just...stopped working. So I bought my friend's 360 to replace it. I find it simple, social and enjoyable. No arsing about with ports and servers and shit like that. I play Minecraft on the Xbox regularly with friends. Tried to play PC Minecraft online. That was a headache. Even worse, Terraria just flat-out wouldn't work. I tell you what consoles need. Consoles need Steam. Then I'd have no criticism.


And damn your wrist-cushions. Who the hell thinks it's acceptable to have to arm a peripheral with safety features?

Captcha: Cheese Steak. That's fucking amazing.

All fair enough, and at the end of the day while I can make a number of points why I converted (which is probably another reason I try and convert others) to PC, you can also make a number of points why you're staying console, and it really all boils down to taste.

Sure, I have to work harder to get my games running as beautifully as they do (and sometimes it is insanely aggravating all the little thing that can go wrong), but I've found I like the challenge and satisfaction of working out how to get the game running just the way I want it to (I got KotOR running in widescreen high def the other day and got absurdly excited about it), plus playing games like Skyrim, Battlefield 3, or Borderlands, and knowing that I'm seeing it at max settings with nothing held back from the designers vision is something I find exciting as well.

So really it's all about taste, and I suppose in a way, how hardcore of a nerd you are. Haha. Still, I'm going to keep trying to convert people simply because I hate the console scene for how the companies treat their users in terms of things like DRM, price gouging, ignoring fan demand to make more money (best example off the top of my head on this one is blocking backwards compatibility then releasing a bunch of HD remakes, does anyone else remember back at launch when Microsoft said they'd make every Xbox game BC... meanwhile in the future...).

So, keep your console, and your beliefs, without and grudge from me, but by god I will keep the PC war drum going until Sony and Microsoft stop being such dicks to the console crowd.

 

[Thyunda]

:words:

As someone else mentioned you can use any game controller you want on a PC. You can also plug your PC into the TV if that's the reason why your 'neck is hurting.' Unless your TV is like a CRT from the 90s there should be a connector for the monitor so that you can switch the input. And if it is a really old TV you can probably buy an adapter for like a buck fifty at most.

That's the setup that I have and it's really nice for watching streaming netflix and other videos.

That's the worst idea I've ever heard. How the hell am I gonna control it from my bed?

 

[AnotherAvatar]

Sounds to me like you're just making yourself feel their comments all the more because you're aware you should just get a better PC.

And if that's the case, then do it already man!

Quick fact: Every year new gear comes out, making last years gear much cheaper.

I just looked up the graphics card I have in my PC, a little over a year ago I bought it for around $700, now it's down to $350, and this card has run EVERY game I've thrown at it at full settings, and that includes Crysis, mind you my unnecessarily large ram adds to this, but that wasn't a bad price a year ago and I bet it's dirt cheap now. The tech is getting so strong now that I don't think you should try and box yourself in to the "I can't afford it" mindset, sure, if you are looking at this years absurd cards, but I'm here to tell you that it's not that expensive to build a quality gaming PC using last years parts, and it can easily be strong enough to last you for a while as well (plus, if there is a some huge leap in graphics made you can SLI in another card of your card the next year when it's even cheaper).

I feel like a lot of console gamers just buy into the "I can't afford a PC" mindset, while spending probably easily enough to build a new PC on accessories, the much more expensive games, or even having to pay to play online.

When I say things like this, I'm not trying to rub it in console gamers faces, I'm trying to wake them up and help them realize they're being swindled, especially if they own a 360 (from the mind-blowing-ly still an issue RRoD, to the absurd price of accessories, to paying for online play, that system is a money sink, long run you would likely save money on a PC compared to this).

I don't want the unwashed console masses to stay ignorant, I want to bathe them in the light of knowledge so they come out as the PC gaming masters they have always been inside.

If you read my post you would know I have a descent PC with an £80 graphics card. Seriously leave me to my shit system and stop being a damn priest. The only games I prefer on PC are RTS. Seriously do you guys every stop trying to make everyone a PC gamer? I havn't had RRoD since the jasper chip and people like you really get on my nerves. The smart alick 'There is no logical reason to play console' bastard that thinks all the problems of the industry will go away if people play PC.

As I said PC is better for RTS, that is all. Shooters are floaty and stupid on the PC. I played Fire Warrior a few years back and the PS2 version was so much better.

If by floaty you mean precise, and by stupid you mean hard for anyone not used to people actually being able to shoot you the second they see you.

I don't think everyone playing on a PC will solve all the problems in the industry, just a lot of them, and if you don't think that them maybe you aren't paying attention to the tactics Sony and Microsoft have been using on the console crowd.

And if you're going to insult me I'll have to throw some back. You're the type of person I hate, happy to be gouged by a faceless corporation with no hopes of freedom nor even a concept that they are trapped. Always quick to ***** about anyone pointing out the simple fact they are in their cage for fear of what that happy little cage really represents.

One last note: I don't go around in my daily life converting people to pc gaming, I'm an electronic musician and a student, gaming has very little to do with my life aside from as a terribly addicting hobby. So yes I do "stop trying to make everyone a pc gamer" quiet often, you're the one who made a post putting a massive target on your head saying "PC GAMERS! ON WHAT IS PROBABLY PRIMARILY A PC FORUM, FUCK YOU I LIKE CONSOLE!"

If you want to wallow in your console slavery, be my guest, for now, like everyone else, my only thought for you is:
Quit bitching.