Left 4 Dead 2: Why the Boycott Is a Good Thing
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This. I have had 6 months worth of play out of L4D already, and I am still not finished with it...I've had my moneys worth. What is being added justifies a sequel, in my opinion...I know I have bought sequels to games in the past that offered far less new content than is being promised here.Internet Kraken said:
All arguments against Left 4 Dead 2 are pointless. We need the sequels as fast and as much as possible, so we can see the clever name Valve thinks up when Left 4 Dead 4 comes out. Seriously. Think of the bigger picture, boycotters.
"Looking at the DLC provided for their other major multiplayer title, Team Fortress 2, the argument loses its weight. Every time they've added a weapon, update, power-up or drop item, it has 'changed everything'. Any new variable you add to a game changes the whole landscape, so it's easy to see that as a platitude rather than a real response."
You are not a professional game developer. Your name is Mr. Pancakes. Your argument is invalid.
"Looking at the DLC provided for their other major multiplayer title, Team Fortress 2, the argument loses its weight. Every time they've added a weapon, update, power-up or drop item, it has 'changed everything'. Any new variable you add to a game changes the whole landscape, so it's easy to see that as a platitude rather than a real response."
You are not a professional game developer. Your name is Mr. Pancakes. Your argument is invalid.
New AI director and a new melee system. Basically the game is getting a pretty big overhaul and an update would have pissed a lot of people off much like the TF2 updates.bue519 said:
Yes they have. Ok granted it's still in "beta" but it still works just fine and once it's out of beta it's cross-compatible with L4D2. It's been out for a whole month I have no clue why nobody knows about it, aside from being blinded by rage.bue519 said:
Also regarding this boycott. Ok fine, so they're expressing their rights. Perfectly fine. However, as former VP Hubert H. Humphrey said, "The right to be heard does not automatically include the right to be taken seriously." And since this protest was built out of a knee-jerk reaction with a manifesto that has been proven to be all but frivolous, I'm not taking it seriously.
It's already been established that they can't just wedge the code into an "expansion" or whatever. They've already said they're hoping to make it so that at some point L4D1 and 2 will be able to exchange content freely (aside from technical differences). In effect they're planning on doing everything the boycotters have accused them of not doing even though the game isn't even out yet.
I mean sure, some people just don't have the money to spend on games these days, and that's fine. That's an understandable reason to not buy a game. But that's really not what we're talking about here.
Wow. I didn't even know that was they were doing anything with the AI Director, let alone something so massive. You'd think that would be the thing Valve point out more in its defense, rather than the new damage to the normal infected that, while cool, everyone could live without.Kwil said:
Ha! Good luck w/ that boycott ya friggin' nerds! I really am excited for L4D2(too many numbers!) and am totally going to buy it on release day. New maps, new infected, new survivors, new weapons, and fire bullets make this a must-buy for me!
Now hold on, let's be fair to EA; they're getting better at not sucking. Like with the whole "EA Partners" thing where they fund and publish the games and the developers get all the say on what goes into the games. Now I can dig that!HobbesMkii said:
For better or worse, this seems a lot like Rainbow Six Vegas and Vegas 2. Vegas 2 one-upped its predecessor in most aspects, but I doubt it sold very well. It was just too much of the same thing too soon.
I think market forces might play out similar here. L4D owners won't see any point in upgrading, and newcomers will split between the new game and it's half-priced parent. It's the inherent problem in multiplayer-focused games.
As for the boycott, groups like these are important for highlighting issues in the industry. Valve's just getting burned because they set their bar so high.
I think market forces might play out similar here. L4D owners won't see any point in upgrading, and newcomers will split between the new game and it's half-priced parent. It's the inherent problem in multiplayer-focused games.
As for the boycott, groups like these are important for highlighting issues in the industry. Valve's just getting burned because they set their bar so high.
I've never bought a Valve game, but from what I've heard of their business practices from their devoted fans, I had a respect for them. I feel that the boycott is on the right track.
What Valve promised to do and what they are doing are completely different things, and being in sales, that's should be against the law. If somebody in an appliance store told you that they were going to sell you a washing machine and tune it up every two months as part of the deal, they couldn't just say "We're not going to do that, but we'll let you buy a new, slightly different one. Look, it's shiny." There needs to be some accountability for Valve.
What Valve promised to do and what they are doing are completely different things, and being in sales, that's should be against the law. If somebody in an appliance store told you that they were going to sell you a washing machine and tune it up every two months as part of the deal, they couldn't just say "We're not going to do that, but we'll let you buy a new, slightly different one. Look, it's shiny." There needs to be some accountability for Valve.
No, actually I really liked it, although I could've done without the underwater mission. It wasn't as good as the original but definitely a worthwhile expansion.fix-the-spade said:
Fans really are just unappreciative, we are all gonna be getting a great game in L4D2.
If Valve wants to make a sequel for a kickass game of their's than I see no reason to complain. And, "but they've started development on it too soon after the release of the original L4D", then you can't complain when they take forever, making the next Half-Life episode!
If Valve wants to make a sequel for a kickass game of their's than I see no reason to complain. And, "but they've started development on it too soon after the release of the original L4D", then you can't complain when they take forever, making the next Half-Life episode!
I really think we shouldn't boycott L4D2. In fact, I think we should all buy several copies of it.
This reason comes from a simple equation: Buying L4D2= Giving Valve more money to make Episode 3
This reason comes from a simple equation: Buying L4D2= Giving Valve more money to make Episode 3
I still find this L4D2 boycott incredibly stupid.
There's a lot of stuff in L4D2. There's a new A.I director, 3 new special infected, some witches will walk around the map, Tons of new maps, The A.I director will change the landscape and weather of the level according to how you've been playing, a brand new game mode, superior zombie dismemberment 4 new survivors and Melee weapons
And I'm sure they'll be adding even more.
There's a lot of stuff in L4D2. There's a new A.I director, 3 new special infected, some witches will walk around the map, Tons of new maps, The A.I director will change the landscape and weather of the level according to how you've been playing, a brand new game mode, superior zombie dismemberment 4 new survivors and Melee weapons
And I'm sure they'll be adding even more.
I was a die-hard Battletech fan, and loved the Mechwarrior games, and Clan Ghost Bear was always my favourite even before the game. The underwater missions sucked ass though and nearly broke me. =)Malygris said:
But I too am curious of your heartfelt boycott, and it's gotta be a lot more intertesting than the rest of this thread.
As for l4d2, well, I think it's too soon, but I'll buy it. I don't think it is possible for it to be an expansion. That said, I hope there is at least a little more l4d content. Maybe another map or *gasp* a new character. THAT would mess with people.
I will miss Francis and Zoey.
"I HATE SEQUELS" should be the tagline for l4d2.
They're changing too many of the inner-workings for a simple expansion. An expansion is, after-all, little more than new content being added to the current game engine. The updates that TF2 gets or the Survival Pack for L4D are "expansions". They don't change any of the core workings of the game, they just added a couple new weapons or a new gameplay mode.bue519 said:
With L4D2 though, they're changing a lot of the mechanics to the game. So while the game might look and play the same on a gameplay level, on a programming and coding level it's a completely different game all-together.