People shouldn't be judged for it, but they still shouldn't be proud of it.NameIsRobertPaulson said:
It's like saying you're proud of having cystic-fibrosis or sickle cell anaemia.
lets collectively lol @ these "I need feminism because..." pics
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It's like saying you're proud of having cystic-fibrosis or sickle cell anaemia.
I contest that notion that there is an idea that the majority of feminists do not support M2F Transfolk. I do not know where you get that idea unless you are referring to thoughts held by an older wave of feminists which is pretty much gone and irrelevant by today's standards. Which reminds me of a very important thing about Feminism is that its not something set in stone, its an ever evolving school of thought.SaneAmongInsane said:
Citation needed. I have yet to meet a single feminist who thinks that a transgendered person doesn't count, nor have I seen evidence that this is a majority opinion in feminist theory. Where are you getting your information from?SaneAmongInsane said:
Hey guys, let's all laugh at others with different opinions and emotions to make us feel better about ourselves!
If its something you cannot change (or very hard to change), then what gives you the right to shame someone because of it?Genocidicles said:
The whole thing about being overweight is probably one of the more annoying things because it really has nothing to do with being a bad person/unhealthy or lack of willpower. It has everything to do with circumstance.
Very possible. It's been a while since I did research on that bit. Quick google search though, I can still see articles being written on the subject of Feminism shedding it's transphobia.Quadocky said:
Heres one, 2011, still I see others written as recent as 2013: http://www.thefword.org.uk/features/2011/09/radical_feminism_transphobia
It's still very much a problem within that movement.
We are not all with out foibles. Though I wish to point out that there is a much larger degree of willful ignorance on the part of reactionaries/'right wingers' MRAs and the like. Something that more 'Liberal' ideas are not prone too given they are predisposed to the evolution of thought rather than outright reactions based upon selfishness and fear.Loonyyy said:
Basically, its not something that is even on each side. Most of the divisiveness and ignorance almost always stems from the reactionaries. But for some reason, even pointing this out will cause reactionaries to react divisively. Thus, I am generally of the belief they do not really care about anything but themselves.
I'd like to play a little game.
Take out those messages. Put in messages about Black Militant Thoughts. All empowering, but it's not talking about feminism. Honestly, wouldn't a lot of people be turned off just by the term 'Black Militant' and dislike it on that basis? We don't need feminism. We don't need Black Activism. We don't need lobbying for Gay/Transgender Rights. We need acceptance. And when do we actually get acceptance? When we drop labels and say 'human'. Not that many people want to do that, because they get pride in their labels, but it will drive us apart.
My problem with Feminism is that it makes it sound like a female gender issue only. The term. Whatever it means to do, it creates a specialty subsection of our culture that is meant to make us all equal, but on the surface is dealing with one section of our population. I try to treat everyone with the respect they deserve. In fact, you have to earn disrespect from me, rather earn respect. And I happen to respect those who struggle for all rights equally. Not focus on one part and then say it will help us all.
As 'annoying' as it might be, it's very necessary. I will butt my head until I can't think straight if that means my potential future children, regardless of whatever sexuality, gender, race mix up, or whatever they may be will be accepted without question or fear for their own future.
I do remember as a kid, walking around times square looking at those shirtless Obsession ads and Calvin Klein ads and thinking 'Am I supposed to look like that? I'm no where near it. What does that mean?'. True facts. But because there are supposedly less chances of feeling that way because women have more media objectifying them, a lot of people I know told me to stop worrying about it. It actually made me feel worthless a bit. That how I felt didn't matter because it wasn't acceptable for me to feel that way.
Captcha: Frankly My Dear. Mother of God, someone tell me how to embed a picture so I can show I'm not making this up. I mean, Really Captcha? Can you troll any harder about your sentience?
Take out those messages. Put in messages about Black Militant Thoughts. All empowering, but it's not talking about feminism. Honestly, wouldn't a lot of people be turned off just by the term 'Black Militant' and dislike it on that basis? We don't need feminism. We don't need Black Activism. We don't need lobbying for Gay/Transgender Rights. We need acceptance. And when do we actually get acceptance? When we drop labels and say 'human'. Not that many people want to do that, because they get pride in their labels, but it will drive us apart.
My problem with Feminism is that it makes it sound like a female gender issue only. The term. Whatever it means to do, it creates a specialty subsection of our culture that is meant to make us all equal, but on the surface is dealing with one section of our population. I try to treat everyone with the respect they deserve. In fact, you have to earn disrespect from me, rather earn respect. And I happen to respect those who struggle for all rights equally. Not focus on one part and then say it will help us all.
You know what? I can honestly understand your frustration. However, rights, ideals, and beliefs are not concrete. They need to be earned every day. They need to be discussed so we all have a universal understanding and acceptance. As you can see of the array of responses, we're no where near it. The fact that these people had to post why they feel they need feminism is proof that we are no where near it.WaitWHAT said:
As 'annoying' as it might be, it's very necessary. I will butt my head until I can't think straight if that means my potential future children, regardless of whatever sexuality, gender, race mix up, or whatever they may be will be accepted without question or fear for their own future.
I wanted to see who would respond to this. I thought the whole "Not as much as women!!!" argument would come out, and then it would all break down to perceived percentages and what not. Here am I chagrined that no one even touched. If we want discussions, we do have to take on all points. Not the ones we can win.rhizhim said:
I do remember as a kid, walking around times square looking at those shirtless Obsession ads and Calvin Klein ads and thinking 'Am I supposed to look like that? I'm no where near it. What does that mean?'. True facts. But because there are supposedly less chances of feeling that way because women have more media objectifying them, a lot of people I know told me to stop worrying about it. It actually made me feel worthless a bit. That how I felt didn't matter because it wasn't acceptable for me to feel that way.
Captcha: Frankly My Dear. Mother of God, someone tell me how to embed a picture so I can show I'm not making this up. I mean, Really Captcha? Can you troll any harder about your sentience?
That's moving the goal posts a bit. "Take Pride in" is a very different question from "Don't deserve to be shamed for".Quadocky said:
It has to do with a great many things. Some of those things are inside our immediate control, and some are not. Some are due to region, or social class, or metabolism. And yes, some are due to willpower or poor decision making. I still don't see a need to romanticize or celebrate being overweight. We can be understanding. We can attempt to treat the problem and not demonize the problem. But can we at least get on the same page and accept that it's a problem?Quadocky said:
I don't see anyone being "sassy and proud" about their cirrhosis of the liver or testicular cancer. It's just an unfortunate situation that needs to be dealt with.
Feminism is not a monolith and not all feminists are Andrea Dworkin types. You might want to look up a little something called "The Third Wave" and get some knowledge on the movement before criticizing it as a whole.SaneAmongInsane said:
I wasn't attempting to move the goal posts so much as to put the discussion in context. Its not about pride.BloatedGuppy said:
Its not about celebration or romanticism either.
Its about acknowledging the extenuating circumstances that surround everybody and that implying that someone is a problem or somehow lesser because of such is a bad thing to do. Even more dire being that a judgement based upon their physical form.