LET'S (NOT) RESPECT EACH OTHER?S TASTES (OR: "THIS GAME ISN'T FOR YOU, AND THAT'S (NOT) OKAY")

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Good lord, that was a confusing title. I took me a while to work out wtf all this was about.

Yeah, I dunno, maybe it's just a shit game, maybe not. I think a lot of games with specific themes with a fandom tend to be crappy either because they just use the fan pull to sell or maybe they are really trying but just can't support the budget to make it much better.

I buy a lot of 40k games, fully aware they will likely be at best kinda average and overpriced for what they are, but the theme pulls me through a playthrough. Occasionally one surprises me and it's actually good. I guess fans of ecchi/hentai games get the same thing.

Yes, I imagine games with certain themes will get criticism purely for the theme. I think in some cases for the social stigma of those themes. Doubt many mainstream reviewers want to be known as that guy who likes those underage looking cartoon girl games.


Silentpony said:
Um...echi?
PG13 Hentai
 

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Zykon TheLich said:
Silentpony said:
Um...echi?
PG13 Hentai
It's more like going to a cabaret/burlesque show as opposed to a brothel.

PG13 doesn't really do it justice since it's a lot more about high level titillation not needing explicit content that most people that barely meet the pg13 age group would not even understand.

A prime example that comes to mind was an old ad for dragon quest 9 aimed at young american females. They were touting the insane amount of costumes for the characters (the commercial was almost treating the characters as dolls you play dressup with and not like rpg characters that you'll be using to fight enemies for 99% of your playtime) and one of the outfits in the ad was the classic old school gym outfit (white shirt and bloomers) that's basically fetish cosplay.

It's so high level not even the people editing the official ad in the USA know about it lol.
 
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Dreiko said:
Zykon TheLich said:
Silentpony said:
Um...echi?
PG13 Hentai
It's more like going to a cabaret/burlesque show as opposed to a brothel.

PG13 doesn't really do it justice since it's a lot more about high level titillation not needing explicit content that most people that barely meet the pg13 age group would not even understand.

A prime example that comes to mind was an old ad for dragon quest 9 aimed at young american females. They were touting the insane amount of costumes for the characters (the commercial was almost treating the characters as dolls you play dressup with and not like rpg characters that you'll be using to fight enemies for 99% of your playtime) and one of the outfits in the ad was the classic old school gym outfit (white shirt and bloomers) that's basically fetish cosplay.

It's so high level not even the people editing the official ad in the USA know about it lol.
I feel your answer is wasted on what was a dismissive off the cuff comment. I think silent pony would appreciate that reply more.
 

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Zykon TheLich said:
Dreiko said:
Zykon TheLich said:
Silentpony said:
Um...echi?
PG13 Hentai
It's more like going to a cabaret/burlesque show as opposed to a brothel.

PG13 doesn't really do it justice since it's a lot more about high level titillation not needing explicit content that most people that barely meet the pg13 age group would not even understand.

A prime example that comes to mind was an old ad for dragon quest 9 aimed at young american females. They were touting the insane amount of costumes for the characters (the commercial was almost treating the characters as dolls you play dressup with and not like rpg characters that you'll be using to fight enemies for 99% of your playtime) and one of the outfits in the ad was the classic old school gym outfit (white shirt and bloomers) that's basically fetish cosplay.

It's so high level not even the people editing the official ad in the USA know about it lol.
I feel your answer is wasted on what was a dismissive off the cuff comment. I think silent pony would appreciate that reply more.
Oh, of course, but by going the extra mile I elevate the discussion from one of mockery to one of education about something I find worthwhile, so it's overall worth it.
 

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Zykon TheLich said:
Good lord, that was a confusing title. I took me a while to work out wtf all this was about.

Yeah, I dunno, maybe it's just a shit game, maybe not. I think a lot of games with specific themes with a fandom tend to be crappy either because they just use the fan pull to sell or maybe they are really trying but just can't support the budget to make it much better.

I buy a lot of 40k games, fully aware they will likely be at best kinda average and overpriced for what they are, but the theme pulls me through a playthrough. Occasionally one surprises me and it's actually good. I guess fans of ecchi/hentai games get the same thing.

Yes, I imagine games with certain themes will get criticism purely for the theme. I think in some cases for the social stigma of those themes. Doubt many mainstream reviewers want to be known as that guy who likes those underage looking cartoon girl games.
Problem is, the critics are using to kick them while they are down, myself included as well.
 

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gyrobot said:
https://moegamer.net/2019/09/17/lets-respect-each-others-tastes-or-this-game-isnt-for-you-and-thats-okay/

A couple of days ago Pat o'Reilly from Nintendo Life have given multiple titles. Latest on the lampoon list was Gun Gun Pixies. A port of a VITA game that hallmarked the waning years of Vita as nothimg more than a handheld for niche fanservice games instead of quality titles.

https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/nintendo-switch/gun_gun_pixies

Pete Davison, being the one of the few to openly admit his love for Ecchi games have tried to get Pat to respond only to be blocked by Pat along with several of Pete's followers on Twitter who were also blocked.

As for my take on this...

I disagree with this statement as Pete Davison is defending low quality games as something to defend and expects critics to not say their tastes are awful. Critics exists for a reason beyond affirming your tastes as good, if your tastes in gaming is shit. Then either accept it or change your tastes like I did from neptunia to Yakuza.

So what is your take on the situation. Should critics respect their tastes or continue to be actual critics and not give a single inch to this audience.
Pete sounds like a punk ass *****. Kinda reminds me of this one segment here: <link=https://youtu.be/S0MUTrZT8a8?t=149>The 5 Stages of an Anime Fan

EDIT: I put the start time at a better spot.
 

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CoCage said:
gyrobot said:
https://moegamer.net/2019/09/17/lets-respect-each-others-tastes-or-this-game-isnt-for-you-and-thats-okay/

A couple of days ago Pat o'Reilly from Nintendo Life have given multiple titles. Latest on the lampoon list was Gun Gun Pixies. A port of a VITA game that hallmarked the waning years of Vita as nothimg more than a handheld for niche fanservice games instead of quality titles.

https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/nintendo-switch/gun_gun_pixies

Pete Davison, being the one of the few to openly admit his love for Ecchi games have tried to get Pat to respond only to be blocked by Pat along with several of Pete's followers on Twitter who were also blocked.

As for my take on this...

I disagree with this statement as Pete Davison is defending low quality games as something to defend and expects critics to not say their tastes are awful. Critics exists for a reason beyond affirming your tastes as good, if your tastes in gaming is shit. Then either accept it or change your tastes like I did from neptunia to Yakuza.

So what is your take on the situation. Should critics respect their tastes or continue to be actual critics and not give a single inch to this audience.
Pete sounds like a punk ass *****. Kinda reminds me of this one segment here: <link=https://youtu.be/S0MUTrZT8a8?t=235>The 5 Stages of an Anime Fan
Dont let him hear that. Me and him have been having a grudge match for a while and he has about had it with me telling it for it what it is. It is really to reclaim my life from anime especially for something like Neptunia and whatever CH makes.


I know he wants people to respect each for their tastes but the industry has no room for people like him
 

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gyrobot said:
CoCage said:
gyrobot said:
https://moegamer.net/2019/09/17/lets-respect-each-others-tastes-or-this-game-isnt-for-you-and-thats-okay/

A couple of days ago Pat o'Reilly from Nintendo Life have given multiple titles. Latest on the lampoon list was Gun Gun Pixies. A port of a VITA game that hallmarked the waning years of Vita as nothimg more than a handheld for niche fanservice games instead of quality titles.

https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/nintendo-switch/gun_gun_pixies

Pete Davison, being the one of the few to openly admit his love for Ecchi games have tried to get Pat to respond only to be blocked by Pat along with several of Pete's followers on Twitter who were also blocked.

As for my take on this...

I disagree with this statement as Pete Davison is defending low quality games as something to defend and expects critics to not say their tastes are awful. Critics exists for a reason beyond affirming your tastes as good, if your tastes in gaming is shit. Then either accept it or change your tastes like I did from neptunia to Yakuza.

So what is your take on the situation. Should critics respect their tastes or continue to be actual critics and not give a single inch to this audience.
Pete sounds like a punk ass *****. Kinda reminds me of this one segment here: <link=https://youtu.be/S0MUTrZT8a8?t=235>The 5 Stages of an Anime Fan
Dont let him hear that. Me and him have been having a grudge match for a while and he has about had it with me telling it for it what it is. It is really to reclaim my life from anime especially for something like Neptunia and whatever CH makes.


I know he wants people to respect each for their tastes but the industry has no room for people like him
I won't go out of my way to show the guy this video, but if he finds it on his own. So, what? The video is meant mostly as a joke, but there are truths in the jokes. Pete's just another asshole who can't take criticism. There are things I like I know others don't and I am find it. I always subscribe to the rule like or dislike whatever, but don't be an assholes to others from liking/disliking/not caring.
 

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CoCage said:
gyrobot said:
CoCage said:
gyrobot said:
https://moegamer.net/2019/09/17/lets-respect-each-others-tastes-or-this-game-isnt-for-you-and-thats-okay/

A couple of days ago Pat o'Reilly from Nintendo Life have given multiple titles. Latest on the lampoon list was Gun Gun Pixies. A port of a VITA game that hallmarked the waning years of Vita as nothimg more than a handheld for niche fanservice games instead of quality titles.

https://www.nintendolife.com/reviews/nintendo-switch/gun_gun_pixies

Pete Davison, being the one of the few to openly admit his love for Ecchi games have tried to get Pat to respond only to be blocked by Pat along with several of Pete's followers on Twitter who were also blocked.

As for my take on this...

I disagree with this statement as Pete Davison is defending low quality games as something to defend and expects critics to not say their tastes are awful. Critics exists for a reason beyond affirming your tastes as good, if your tastes in gaming is shit. Then either accept it or change your tastes like I did from neptunia to Yakuza.

So what is your take on the situation. Should critics respect their tastes or continue to be actual critics and not give a single inch to this audience.
Pete sounds like a punk ass *****. Kinda reminds me of this one segment here: <link=https://youtu.be/S0MUTrZT8a8?t=235>The 5 Stages of an Anime Fan
Dont let him hear that. Me and him have been having a grudge match for a while and he has about had it with me telling it for it what it is. It is really to reclaim my life from anime especially for something like Neptunia and whatever CH makes.


I know he wants people to respect each for their tastes but the industry has no room for people like him
I won't go out of my way to show the guy this video, but if he finds it on his own. So, what? The video is meant mostly as a joke, but there are truths in the jokes. Pete's just another asshole who can't take criticism. There are things I like I know others don't and I am find it. I always subscribe to the rule like or dislike whatever, but don't be an assholes to others from liking/disliking/not caring.
I agree. He tried to act like he didnt cared at all about the review. But the fact that it was easy to find the review on metacritic shows that he cared enough.
 

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So this is not about respecting people's tastes or not but the tc's personal vendetta with some guy who doesn't even post here...?


O....k
 

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You know what really gets me about the thread title is that its structured exactly like the titles for the Rebuild of Evangelion movies.
 

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The basics of respecting each other's tastes: "One man's garbage is another man's treasure"
 

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Folks, I like trash games as much as the next person, but c'mon. A niche fanservice game where you cleanse the sins of scantily clad girls through the power of BDSM is going to get niche fanservice trash scores. Stuff like Gun Gun Pixies and Gal Gun are softcore fanservice (not) porn. Which is fine (I guess), but it's never going to be taken "seriously".

Like, the fact that Gun Gun Pixies has the rare and much appreciated conceit of every woman being over 18 is mildly concerning for the rest of the genre.

EDIT: GODSDAMNED BAIT AND SWITCH! After the first gal it's the normal 15, 17, 17, 17 of every other pervy otaku game out there.
 

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Folks, I like trash games as much as the next person, but c'mon. A niche fanservice game where you cleanse the sins of scantily clad girls through the power of BDSM is going to get niche fanservice trash scores. Stuff like Gun Gun Pixies and Gal Gun are softcore fanservice (not) porn. Which is fine (I guess), but it's never going to be taken "seriously".

Like, the fact that Gun Gun Pixies has the rare and much appreciated conceit of every woman being over 18 is mildly concerning for the rest of the genre.
I don't think it's being taken seriously that has people worked up but that it feels like someone trying to stir things up for no real reason. It's not something that's going to ever go away and it's not hurting anyone so what is the point of bringing it up?
 

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Specter Von Baren said:
altnameJag said:
Folks, I like trash games as much as the next person, but c'mon. A niche fanservice game where you cleanse the sins of scantily clad girls through the power of BDSM is going to get niche fanservice trash scores. Stuff like Gun Gun Pixies and Gal Gun are softcore fanservice (not) porn. Which is fine (I guess), but it's never going to be taken "seriously".

Like, the fact that Gun Gun Pixies has the rare and much appreciated conceit of every woman being over 18 is mildly concerning for the rest of the genre.
I don't think it's being taken seriously that has people worked up but that it feels like someone trying to stir things up for no real reason. It's not something that's going to ever go away and it's not hurting anyone so what is the point of bringing it up?
How dare a video game reviewer on a website for video game reviews review a video game?
 

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Avnger said:
Specter Von Baren said:
altnameJag said:
Folks, I like trash games as much as the next person, but c'mon. A niche fanservice game where you cleanse the sins of scantily clad girls through the power of BDSM is going to get niche fanservice trash scores. Stuff like Gun Gun Pixies and Gal Gun are softcore fanservice (not) porn. Which is fine (I guess), but it's never going to be taken "seriously".

Like, the fact that Gun Gun Pixies has the rare and much appreciated conceit of every woman being over 18 is mildly concerning for the rest of the genre.
I don't think it's being taken seriously that has people worked up but that it feels like someone trying to stir things up for no real reason. It's not something that's going to ever go away and it's not hurting anyone so what is the point of bringing it up?
How dare a video game reviewer on a website for video game reviews review a video game?
But, don't you see? Making fun of a bad game and its audience in a review is stirring shit for no good reason. He shouldn't review games he knows he won't like. Why can't they be more professionals? Just look a Yahtzee! He never makes fun of gam... uh... I mean, he never mocks the audienc... err... look! He never ever reviews a game he knows he won't lik...

What I mean to say is, trust me, reviewers suck! /s
 

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CaitSeith said:
Avnger said:
Specter Von Baren said:
altnameJag said:
Folks, I like trash games as much as the next person, but c'mon. A niche fanservice game where you cleanse the sins of scantily clad girls through the power of BDSM is going to get niche fanservice trash scores. Stuff like Gun Gun Pixies and Gal Gun are softcore fanservice (not) porn. Which is fine (I guess), but it's never going to be taken "seriously".

Like, the fact that Gun Gun Pixies has the rare and much appreciated conceit of every woman being over 18 is mildly concerning for the rest of the genre.
I don't think it's being taken seriously that has people worked up but that it feels like someone trying to stir things up for no real reason. It's not something that's going to ever go away and it's not hurting anyone so what is the point of bringing it up?
How dare a video game reviewer on a website for video game reviews review a video game?
But, don't you see? Making fun of a bad game and its audience in a review is stirring shit for no good reason. He shouldn't review games he knows he won't like. Why can't they be more professionals? Just look a Yahtzee! He never makes fun of gam... uh... I mean, he never mocks the audienc... err... look! He never ever reviews a game he knows he won't lik...

What I mean to say is, trust me, reviewers suck! /s
Yahtzee is a cynic who dislikes everything. Meanwhile whomever is still covering such games is dunking on fanservice titles and their overly sensitive fanbase
 

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gyrobot said:
CaitSeith said:
But, don't you see? Making fun of a bad game and its audience in a review is stirring shit for no good reason. He shouldn't review games he knows he won't like. Why can't they be more professionals? Just look a Yahtzee! He never makes fun of gam... uh... I mean, he never mocks the audienc... err... look! He never ever reviews a game he knows he won't lik...

What I mean to say is, trust me, reviewers suck! /s
Yahtzee is a cynic who dislikes everything.
And?
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Meanwhile whomever is still covering such games is dunking on fanservice titles and their overly sensitive fanbase
So?