Lets talk about Girls that play video games

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News at 5: Some people are vapid and transparent. Yes that goes for both genders.

Playing Devil's Advocate: If you can get free shit without selling yourself out, why not?
 

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Tilted_Logic said:
I'm female, and proceeded to go through a few more of her videos; came across this one, which should be of use to the topic:
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this is the same girl from the OP?.....hmm she seems pretty cool and reasonsable

oh...uh..I mean

SHES ATTRACTIVE!....ATTENTION WHORE! ATTENTION WHORE!!
 

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cthulhuspawn82 said:
One cant help but be jealous of "nerd girls". Even if they aren't attractive, all they have to do is walk into a comic shop of a gaming place and every guy gets on his knees for them because they are so female starved. Why inst there a female equivalent of the comic shop, where any guy can walk in and have all the girls fighting over him?
From what I understand, There are drama productions(especially with shared dressing rooms), cheerleading(You get to man handle hot fit girls without the hassle of sexual harassment), and Dance productions(chicks dig guys who can dance, I have a friend doing salsa and I have heard such wonderful things... like Bachacha).
Joining them means you have massive confidence about your masculinity(or you're in touch with your feminine side), You are or are keen on being physically fit, and there tend to be more females to males in those situations. But apparently, they're Gaaaaaaaaaaay.

OT: Yea, I think it's just a misogynistic poster showing off his ignorance considering there apparently were people asking for a her specs already.
If anything, the fact that guys like that exist within the community would make a better topic if overdone.
 

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I stopped sayng I was a girl gamer when I found out that women make up 40% of either gamers in general or MMO gamers. I once attended a casual gaming convention; very few men, very few people under 40 (it was kinda dull compared to a normal game con, but I got a ton of free swag & they had a free buffet, & we all got a free game, & they asked us feedback questions when they let us test their games). Oh yeah, there's also the fact that I'm not that feminine.
 

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kman123 said:
Oh WHOOOOOO it ain't the Escapist without yet ANOTHER one of these threads.

Just for discussion, I don't care about what gender you are. And yes, gaming is a predominately male centered audience, so the female that comes by is sure to get noticed. But honestly, I don't care. Not one bit.
Sure, but not by as much as you think, around 40% of the gamer audience are female.
The only reason why they aren't more "visible" is because, well, gamers are kind of sexist and a bunch of assholes.

But look at this girl, she's cute, what would be the general response if she was 250 pounds and had a mustache? Probably not the same response... So I do say, gamers are sexist.
Really, really sexist. And that has to change.
 

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Hagi said:
Just come play EvE Online :D

There's so few girls playing that game that chances of you meeting them are quite extremely small. Then just join a corp that advertises itself by the amount of hate they generate in the community (they do exist).

You should probably get a girl-free gaming experience that way.

There's not so many cooties in EvE. Many other cool things though.
I met one of my dearest friends in that game, and she happens to play better than anyone I've ever encountered in New Eden, and is the only person in the galaxy capable of intimidating me.

In my experience, women who play EVE don't mention their gender because they don't want the attention. Which really is the smartest decision.
 

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Torrasque said:
Realitycrash said:
Torrasque said:
Vault101 said:
Torrasque said:
]I draw the line where the girl is obviously using it to gain attention.
When I say "I have several female gamer friends", I don't use that as a "woah now, I have girl gamer friends, so I'm OBVIOUSLY not sexist". I hate people that immediately throw up that kind of defence as if it makes everything they say perfectly reasonable and not inflammatory at all.
I agree there

[quote/]I say that I have several female gamer friends because they are my proof that there are girls that play games and don't go out of their way to get attention. 2 of them are perfectly fine being called guys and will only correct people when directly asked.
yeah...its kind of silly though that we need to "prove" things...which isnt helped by "omg god guys have you ever seen a gamer girl?}

I'm not exactally familiar with WOW but I didnt know guilds and rading was such serious buisness

also are the majority of girls healers?

[quote/] What I find ironic, is that when the officers convened to decide whether she'd get in or not, the 2 girl officers immediately shot her down. The other officers didn't object because they didn't like her gear and skill set up, but I still find it funny that the 2 girls (which you'd think would want another girl in a male saturated game) didn't want anything to deal with her.
well I figured that would be pretty obvious why....she obviously thourght she could get through based on her gender alone...and the other two were like "yeah...no"
I'll be brief in my explanation:

There are basically 2 kinds of guilds in WoW: casual guilds and serious guilds. The casual guilds are where people do dungeons, leveling, and hang out together. Its basically a group of friends to do stuff with. Most of the guilds in WoW are casual guilds. Serious guilds do all of that, but focus on raiding. The world's "best" guilds have a very rigorous application process to get the best of the best applying to their guild. Most of the things that they check for don't actually filter out good players from bad ones, but that is a different topic I don't feel like getting into.
The worlds "best" guilds don't actually always have a very serious application. You know of GameSense, perhaps? It used to (I don't know, any more, I don't play) to be in the top 10 (I heard even top 3 in EU) PvP-Guilds in the world.
Well, then my sister started Project Angel, which was basically gathering a full female PvP-Battlegrounds team. They requirement of Battlegrounds Rating was 1700 for them, and 2.400 for the Guys (1700 you could PUG with some luck, 2.400...Not so much).
And the girls flocked, and the guild loved it (free girls to dream about, free publicity for the guild on an international level).
So yes, it was pretty much "We are a top-tier world-guild, but you're a girl, so play with us".

Here's the original recruitment-post: http://www.arenajunkies.com/topic/202712-%E2%99%A5-a-outland-gamesense-angels-female-pvp-project-needs-you-%E2%99%A5/[/quote]Of course there are some exceptions to the "rigorous application process" rule, but PvE guilds typically have higher standards than PvP guilds. The stakes are highter after all, we're talking about loot here!
That particular case seems more of a publicity stunt and test than a serious guild, lol.[/quote]

Eh, this guild gets sponsorship-money for doing PvP. You know, real money? So the stakes are every bit as high as the PvE-guilds that get the same for raiding.
 

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One apt editorial piece I read in a magazine many years ago (EGM, maybe? It's been too long to recall) made the distinction between "Gamer Girl" and "Girl Gamer," the former being the quiet-about-their-gender game-loving female (defining themselves first as gamers, and second as girls) and the latter being the in-the-hobby-to-get-male-attention female (defined first as girls, then secondarily as gamers). Let's call them Type A and Type B for now.

The two types will always exist, so long as gender matters to us (which, as sexual beings, it always will). But Type A girls are not all attention seekers. And many of the Type B girls probably enjoy games very much - they just also enjoy attention. This may be unseemly to a lot of people, and is usually pretty annoying to those who don't think of multiplayer as a dating service, but it is hard to fault them too much for a natural (if immature) human behavior.

It becomes a problem when annoyance with immature behavior from select members of the opposite gender becomes an excuse to revile all members of that gender, and a justification for the perpetuation of really vile, sexist behavior against them. Granted, sexist behavior in online speech exists in the same vein as homophobia and racism in online speech - arrogant children (of many age brackets) who use limited anonymity as a shield to say horrible things because they get off on getting away with being little shits. But that does not make it okay, and it doesn't mean we should shrug our shoulders at it and turn a blind eye.

But that's a different discussion.

More to the point at hand: The Type B girls are engaging in a very typical ritual of attraction, highlighting traits they think will gain them positive attention from the opposite gender. Guys do this all the time, accenting things about themselves that they think girls will find attractive - they just rarely use videogames as a point to highlight, as girls are still not typically considered to be interested in games (this notion is, of course, widely false, but still pervasive). But, with guys, we often consider it skeevy or creepy to take on attractive aspects disingenuously, with the intent to deceive girls into initial attraction to gain some sexual advantage. The same feeling often comes in to play with Type B girls - because they use their gaming as a means to draw attention, they are seen as being disingenuous, as being untrue to the hobby, using it as a means to gain some sexual advantage.

I personally don't think this is the case. Type B girls may be seeking attention, but this behavior is a sign of immaturity, not maliciousness; it is purely benign, and should be addressed the way all forms of immaturity ought be addressed: by educating the person, or by ignoring the person.

And honestly, while the girl in that video may be trying to get guys looking at her, she did shell out for a gaming PC. I mean, I'm a gamer and I'm still using an old Dell laptop from 4 years ago for most of my PC stuff. Her dedication to the hobby apparently outweighs mine.

EDIT: And before anybody says anything - I am saving up for an upgrade. But times are tough, and money's tight.
I think this guys got it. Calling it: /thread.

On one proviso: it's not just that they're highlighting what's attractive in a romantic sense, gaming as a hobby that males will find attractive, but on a social level, where they're percieved as a minority, they feel they can gain social attention by stating they're a girl, for the reasons of the attraction some may feel, giving them increased standing, or in the interest of trolling the relentless hordes of desperate man-children who judge the player on their sex-organs.
 

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these "tihi, look at me, i'ma guuuuurl <3 " kind of female gamers annoy the FUCK out of me. they are not interesting or attractive enough to compete for the attention of the opposite sex on the level playing field of normal social interaction, so they inject themselves in a world with very little competition from other girls, one where they are seen as special and remarkable either way, and where their chances of no one prettier arround dramaticly rise. makes me sad.

fun story to share:

i used to play in a clan. this was back in the days of battlefield 1942, shooters weren't dumbed down yet to the point that they could be played with four buttons and a wobbly controller, if anyone would have said that fps should be brought to consoles he would have been sentenced to be trampled to death by the well known company brontosaurus, and voice communication was not yet as widespread as today.
so after playing in this clan for about, i don't know, 3-4 years, we organized to meet for a weekend. hilarity ensued when i showed up, since everyone had assumed i was a dude for several years.
 
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kman123 said:
Oh WHOOOOOO it ain't the Escapist without yet ANOTHER one of these threads.

Just for discussion, I don't care about what gender you are. And yes, gaming is a predominately male centered audience, so the female that comes by is sure to get noticed. But honestly, I don't care. Not one bit.
Apparently 42% of gamers are now female. I think at some point we have to stop saying that gaming is a male centered hobby, because it's really not anymore.
 

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Kathinka said:
so after playing in this clan for about, i don't know, 3-4 years, we organized to meet for a weekend. hilarity ensued when i showed up, since everyone had assumed i was a dude for several years.
Oh man, that must have been awesome *laughs*

On topic, though, I suppose I'll go with that distinction; there are "female gamers" and there are "gurrrl gamers". The former are gamers, just like me or any other gamer, so there's no use in referring to them as "female", the latter are kinda obnoxious.

That said, when I'm playing a game "seriously", I don't care what gender my fellows are as long as they do well. Though, amusingly enough, back in my WoW times, in all guilds I was in, most healers I played with were indeed female - I suppose there is some truth in the guessing that women prefer less aggressive and more support roles as opposed to men who prefer the hands-on, taste-my-steel approach. Of course, those are just stereotypes. Anyone should play whatever the hell they like playing.
 

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Realitycrash said:
I actually care, mostly because A: I hate when people try to manipulate me (which some are) and B, I hate when others get easily manipulated (which some guys will be). It has cost me hard-earned loot in MMORPGs, guild-spots and raid-spots.
It's special treatment, it's unfair, and it's honestly sexist. It may or may not be bad for women in general to be still be treated like they are on a pedestal, just because they have boobs, but I really don't care about that. What annoys me is that I know some (not all, but some), that activlely use their "I'm a girl"-tactic to manipulate people, and it fucking bothers me.
Just because you are a sad, lone and pathetic person that manages to get manipulated by a few nice words over a microphone, doesn't mean it's the right thing to do.

Though, if said girl isn't even trying, it's just the guys I hate. The stupid, stupid guys.
That's just weird to me. I've never recieved any special treatment (except the nasty kind) for being female. Ever.
Manipluation is bad (obviously), my point was more- this doesn't happen as much as everyone goes around saying it does. It's at the point that dudes are pre-emptively assholes to anyone who is a girl just to show they wont give them stuff (how does that even go down?! `I'm a girl give me stuff?!` Never seen it happen).

And some times when it does happen- the person going `I'm a girl TEE HEE`, is quite clearly not (honestly sometimes its so painfully obvious). This did happen to me once, in a group in WoW, someone who was chatting constantly and really laying it on thick, when they said `so-and-so because I'M A GIRL`, I said `No sweetie, you aren't.` That shut them up.
The only other time that I had someone go `I'm a girl` was (again in WoW) when they kept dying by jumping off stuff. They said `go easy on me I'm a girl`. I pretty much exploded at them not to use that as an excuse.

Basically, yeah it sucks that people do that, but they don't do it that much. And all of us are suffering for it and that sucks more.
 

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krazykidd said:
I just wanna see some girls in tournaments that is all . THAT is what will impress me. I know there are girl gamers out there . So what ? Anyone can play video games , just comon ladies show up at tournaments will you please? And not as spectators .Participate , and beat these guys , and show the world you are here.
I am pretty sure there was an all girls Counter Strike team that competed in tournaments back in the day.
 

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Torrasque said:
I have been gaming since 1984. I really like video games. I don't do it to impress guys.

Why do you think women play games just to impress guys? Do guys think they are the center of the universe or something.

Here is my raptr. My hours are a bit low at the moment because I'm seriously ill.
http://raptr.com/MoonlightButterfly/wall

It of course doesn't include the consoles and PC I have owned since the 80's. I built my current PC and overclocked it myself.

I have never known a guy personally who games as much as I do. Ever.

I love gaming it's the one thing I'm really into and yet everyday I see that guys view me as some sort of second class citizen or even worse a mythical creature.

I'm tired of it guys I really am. Just quit it will ya. I just want to be 'a gamer'.

Oh and while I have never played competitively I do play multiplayer games with guys who competed in CS tournaments. So I can't be that terrible if they can put up with me lol.
 

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My girlfriend is an avid gamer as am I but I do enjoy giving her the headset to talk trash while I play. Some of the responses I get are hilarious.
 

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i don't care what is your gender. if you game much, you are a gamer. the moment it gets irritating is when people think it has any value.

example: there is on youtube a video posted for a game called Bleed. it is created by one person (i don't know the gender and i don't care, because it looks good). and one of the comments was something like this: "ooohh, this looks good and i will buy this on day one and this coming from a female gamer :D". sorry, but the comments she got on that were are fair. most poeple ridiculed her for thinking it has any value. the didn't threaten her or some something sexist. they just thought it was a really dumb statement.

and your example is fair. if it was a dude, then nobody would watch except if he is already known. some other examples are that when a guy is making a video based on games, they put gameplay on the background. because they probably know nobody is interested in seeing them talk. guys like TB. unless they have a character going on like Angry Joe. but when i see a similar video of females gamers then they do exactly what doesn't work for guys. (not always, but most videos i see.) showing themselves without any character. and still they are getting tons of view.

the latest example, which i say because i find it more funny then a serious "problem". i don't watch streams of people playing LOL, because i prefer to play then watch someone else play it. those videos are most the game with a tiny screen of the person playing tugged into a corner. but apparently there are female players (all the pictures i have seen were female, i don't know how many do it or if guys do it.) who also make those streams, but they swap it. so you have the main screen of the player and i little screen of the actual game. and from what i hear, they still have above average viewers.


but to be fair, most female gamers are just gamers. so they can be annoying like any other gamer. i won't be extra nice because you are a female but i won't treat you as a lesser gamer for it too. you are all the same to me until you show if you are a decent person or just another random kid who can't shut up.
 

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I have no problems with either group, really. Though I do find them a little on the elusive side where I live, so I can't say I've had a whole lot of first-hand experience with them in terms of their physical behavior and whatnot. How people act online is, as we all know, at least somewhat affected by anonymity and whatnot. If there ARE women or girls who put on the 'girl gamer' bit for attention and whatnot, I'm guessing it would be altered in intensity or possibly dropped if it were in real life. If you're just doing it for attention, I would imagine the prospect of having nerdy, possibly creepy, guys stalk you and whatnot would be a deterrent unless you are into that sort of thing.

As far as online goes, I've only ever met a few. It was painfully obvious and personally speaking I didn't much care. Some were good players, some were not so good. None of them were particularly annoying or anything, even if they were just fishing for attention. I think the only ones that were really bad were the 'drama-queens' in WoW. Everything in their offline lives was drama, or they brought drama for no reason into the game. Surprisingly it was never much Loot Drama, it was more 'I don't like this person but you're putting them into our raid group!' 'uh, yeah. We need a DPS, and their numbers are good.' 'well if she goes I'm NOT!' kinda thing.

As far as the 'get back in the kitchen!' garbage goes, I think that's sort of a side-effect. Something that was unintended when people try to 'teach' gamer/geek/nerd guys how to supposedly get women. I think it's usually tied up in the 'women enjoy confidence' point. Which, while it's true and it's generally good to be confident in aspects of life beyond just dating, I don't know about anyone else but the confident guys I see around me have a tendency to be...well....the type of guys who would tell a girl to get back in the kitchen and half mean it and then try and write it off as a joke when the girl got pissed. They're not really jerks, it's just...well, this is how society says they're supposed to act so they...really don't know any better. Well, some might but at that point they are jerks.

Personally I'm all for either one. Annoying though some of the 'guuuurl gamer!'s are, they help give gaming a wider audience and ultimately serve the purpose of slowly getting people to accept what we enjoy as something commonplace as opposed to something only freaks who don't know what 'outside' means do.
 

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krazykidd said:
Thank you for that . This is what i want to see more of . Just like in every other sport with profession female atheletes i wanna se more professional female gamers. Add the fac that this is one of the few things ( sports? Is gaming a sport?) men and women can compete in together .
Why do you want to see specifically female gamers?

I mean I get the fact that the scene is considerable short of femenine talent but really it shouldn't be as much of an issue as it is.
The games themselves are unisex, competitively if you have the talent you should be in a team up in the top echelons.

There are a few pretty solid DotA players kicking around, a friend of mine recently played with one Sayuri [http://www.gosugamers.net/general/members/Sayuri] in a pub.
They're out there but they're just not competing at a top level unless they're in an already organised female scene with investors. I wouldn't be surprised if a sponsor backed them for being female in the slightest, but if they don't bring the results then it won't be a permanent backing and investors don't have habit of wanting to be branded with bad results.

Personally I'm on the fence about if having a female league is good for E-sports as a whole.
 

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krazykidd said:
I just wanna see some girls in tournaments that is all . THAT is what will impress me. I know there are girl gamers out there . So what ? Anyone can play video games , just comon ladies show up at tournaments will you please? And not as spectators .Participate , and beat these guys , and show the world you are here.
Agreed whole-heartedly.

I'm gonna be watching Evo (for those wondering, that's the pet name for the Evolution Championship Series, a massive international fighting game tournament) this weekend. I'm sure all sorts of big names and fresh blood will come out and throw down, but one can count on one-hand how many of the tourney competitors are females (probably less after what happened on Cross Assault back in February [http://www.penny-arcade.com/report/editorial-article/sexual-harassment-as-ethical-imperative-the-ugly-side-of-fighting-games]... Aris Bakhtanians was a fucking idiot for that one).

C'mon ladies! Don't let Kayane steal all the spotlight! There's room for everyone!
 
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By god I fucking hate this discussion.

But as the mods won't let me just say that, A PERSONS GENDER IS IRRELEVANT WHEN IT COMES TO GAMING. Women have the right to play games without having the fact that their female pointed out every 5 minutes which is almost as annoying to everyone who has to listen to the bloody conversation every 5 minutes.

A woman making a video about her computer IS NOT BEGGING FOR ATTENTION, and people WOULD be interested if she were a male as evidenced by the FIVE MILLION videos of males discussing their computers on youtube.

It would be fun to see a woman in say a starcraft tournament.