Lifting Masks = Back to Getting Down With The Sickness

[bluegate]

Marjorie Taylor Greene downplayed reports that hospitals were packed with COVID-19 patients, saying 'we can't live forever'

The lawmaker from Georgia has repeatedly spread coronavirus misinformation — and is temporarily suspended from Twitter for it.

www.businessinsider.com

A fine member of the Pro Life party. Now what was that again about some "black" man's Death Panels...

 

[Agema]

Marjorie Taylor Greene downplayed reports that hospitals were packed with COVID-19 patients, saying 'we can't live forever'

The lawmaker from Georgia has repeatedly spread coronavirus misinformation — and is temporarily suspended from Twitter for it.

www.businessinsider.com

A fine member of the Pro Life party. Now what was that again about some "black" man's Death Panels...

"Yes the hospitals are busy, and yes this might make getting treatment more difficult, but me and mine are rich and important. As VIPs we're definitely going to be looked after properly, so fuck you guys. Now excuse me, but I have to get back to harassing teenage gunshot victims."

 

[Dalisclock]

Marjorie Taylor Greene downplayed reports that hospitals were packed with COVID-19 patients, saying 'we can't live forever'

The lawmaker from Georgia has repeatedly spread coronavirus misinformation — and is temporarily suspended from Twitter for it.

www.businessinsider.com

A fine member of the Pro Life party. Now what was that again about some "black" man's Death Panels...

They're Pro-Birth, not Pro-Life. They clearly stop giving a shit about human life once they're born, as shown here.

 

[BrawlMan]

I didn't even know about Tom Hanks son. This dumbass, wanna be 'gangsta/street/hood" rapper better sit his ass down. Just another Rich boys trying to use African-American/black culture to get somewhere. Ready to only use it when it's convenient and dump it when he no longer needs it. Thanks, you better do something about your boy. I don't care if you have any argumentum with him. Get on Twitter at least apologize about his bad behavior.



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[McElroy]

Naturally, nothing she did is anywhere near as harmful as that done by every leader who didn't pursue a zero COVID strategy.

As much as I agreed before and would still like to, at least in Finland it turned out to be impossible because our constitution. However it's also true that they didn't pursue that goal at any point, but necessary steps towards it were deemed unconstitutional (by a lawyer committee whose instructions the government always follows).

 

[XsjadoBlayde]

Yes, it's a common tactic. "30 US doctors say..."

Okay, fine. But what about the other 1,000,000 practising medical doctors in the USA?

Likewise, "10,000 scientists and engineers signed this petition..." So, including people who did a physics degree and then spent 40 years in finance and can't even remember what Brownian motion and Hooke's Law are? Okay then!

It is frustrating, to put it lightly. And I can't help but wonder if the visible effects of promoting distrust in professional healthcare, more specifically the NHS here, would be seen a useful tool for certain politically-minded folk who prefer to disband such socialised medicines for the ungrateful poor so the free market can be allowed to reign in its place. It makes more sense as a motive for so much money getting pumped behind all this than just dissociative cruelty.

 

[gorfias]

If you don't take serious infection control measures the economy goes down the sewer anyway, because when people start dying in heaps, the public starts getting very alarmed, and take more serious steps anyway - it's just a lot more people die before they take action. Not only that, but people sick and dying is bad for the economy, because if they're hospitalised and dying they're not doing useful things like making money and spending it. And after they die, a lot of their estate is likely to be in limbo and until everything is transferred to inheritors.

Broadly there's a positive correlation between deaths and economic losses when we look at different countries. In the end, what seems clear is that countries that best controlled the pandemic took the least economic damage. Thus this idea of "economy or lives" is a myth.

Hey, back from vacation. Sorry to have not replied before. Sending EM too.

When this first started, a Science critic on youtube named Thunderfoot thought if we did nothing we would lose some 3% of the global population and the impact would be serious. Even if many were 80 years old, how many of them were medical doctors (Like Fauci himself) bankers, investors, etc. I think the real number has been somewhere around .098 %.
There are costs and benefits to what we have done. I would like to see some kind of post mortem on what we have done ala what is suggested here but I'm not sure I'd trust it anyway.

Opinion | A Covid Commission Americans Can Trust

The country has lost faith in experts, but a thorough review free from conflicts of interest could help.

www.wsj.com

 

[Agema]

Hey, back from vacation. Sorry to have not replied before. Sending EM too.

When this first started, a Science critic on youtube named Thunderfoot thought if we did nothing we would lose some 3% of the global population and the impact would be serious. Even if many were 80 years old, how many of them were medical doctors (Like Fauci himself) bankers, investors, etc. I think the real number has been somewhere around .098 %.
There are costs and benefits to what we have done. I would like to see some kind of post mortem on what we have done ala what is suggested here but I'm not sure I'd trust it anyway.

I think Thunderf00t was/is quite far out.

Covid mostly affects the old. If I remember rightly, the chance of dying roughly doubles with every 7 years of life.

About 15-20% of the population of Western countries is over 65, and we could probably expect about 5% of them to die from covid. Between 50 and 64, ~0.5% max, mostly those with certain conditions like high blood pressure, obesity, diabetes, lung problems, etc. 40-50s, sub 0.1%. Under 40s, very low. If covid had been totally rampant, I'd have expected the West to lose not much over 1% of the population, almost certainly less than 2%. Of course, it would have shattered our health services in the process.

Developing world countries would lose far fewer as a proportion of total population just because they have far fewer old people. Thus I suspect the global toll would have been comfortably under 1%.

I certainly agree that the world generally and individual countries need to look very long and hard at covid. Countries like New Zealand and Taiwan could perhaps isolate themselves much easier - it might not be possible for every country to do that. But if Germany lost proportionally half as many as the USA and UK, I think we have to accept Germany did a much, much better job and look at why.

You might well be skeptical of such a commission. I'm generally of the opinion that the US political system is at least borderline broken; taking control of governance seems to have become much more important than governing well. (The same is true of the UK, although perhaps not quite so bad.) It is not surprising both fared so poorly.

 

[Satinavian]

At minimum, this nurse needs to be struck off and never allowed to practice healthcare again.

She should probably also face criminal charges - certainly damage to property, plus others up to and including manslaughter, depending on circumstances.

Seems like it is several cases of grievous bodily harm and (as she also manipulated her own vaccination certificate to be allowed near patients) forgery.

 

[Bartholomew]

Seems like it is several cases of grievous bodily harm

I don't think that would work. If they really did suffer grievous bodily harm, then so too did the trial participants suffer grievous bodily harm when they were given placebo shots as part of the double-blind study.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

I don't think that would work. If they really did suffer grievous bodily harm, then so too did the trial participants suffer grievous bodily harm when they were given placebo shots as part of the double-blind study.

Did they know that they were participating in an impromptu, unregulated, unauthorized, unethical double blind study before they started acting like they were vaccinated?

 

[Bartholomew]

Did they know that they were participating in an impromptu, unregulated, unauthorized, unethical double blind study before they started acting like they were vaccinated?

I don't think that makes a difference. You can't agree to grievous bodily harm. You can't consent to medical experiments where they flay you alive, for example.

 

[davidmc1158]

I don't think that makes a difference. You can't agree to grievous bodily harm. You can't consent to medical experiments where they flay you alive, for example.

You can agree to take part in a double-blind experiment, however. Which means your leaping to beyond ludicrous with your "flaying alive" shows you are either not arguing in good faith, are unable to understand that a comparison must actually be comparable to be valid, or you are reaching for truly sad lengths in order to refuse to admit you may be wrong.

 

[Bartholomew]

You can agree to take part in a double-blind experiment, however. Which means your leaping to beyond ludicrous with your "flaying alive" shows you are either not arguing in good faith, are unable to understand that a comparison must actually be comparable to be valid, or you are reaching for truly sad lengths in order to refuse to admit you may be wrong.

Yes, or no, is consent a valid defense when being charged for grievous bodily harm?

This website says no:
"a person cannot consent to grievous bodily harm" - https://pottslawyers.com.au/criminal-law/assaults-and-violent-offences/grievous-bodily-harm-faqs/

But it may vary by country, I suppose.

 

[davidmc1158]

Yes, or no, is consent a valid defense when being charged for grievous bodily harm?

This website says no:
"a person cannot consent to grievous bodily harm" - https://pottslawyers.com.au/criminal-law/assaults-and-violent-offences/grievous-bodily-harm-faqs/

But it may vary by country, I suppose.

Yes or No, is taking part in a study where you may receive a saline injection in any way shape or form comparable to being flayed alive?

 

[Bartholomew]

Yes or No, is taking part in a study where you may receive a saline injection in any way shape or form comparable to being flayed alive?

I was never comparing "taking part in a study where you may receive a saline injection" to "being flayed alive".
I merely used "being flayed alive" as an example of how "consent" is not a valid legal defense when being accused of grievous bodily harm.

When choosing my example, I wanted to choose something unmistakably wrong, something that absolutely nobody would look at and say "well, it's okay as long as they signed a consent form".

Even if I was wrong to use such an example, it doesn't change what the legal experts say.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Yeah, not doing this again.

Anyway, what's German law for knowingly having an STD and having sex with people when lying about it?

Seems like a good template for prosecution. In Montana it would be several thousand misdemeanor charges.

 

[TheMysteriousGX]

Proud Boys are in the mix


Anti-mask/anti-mask rally in LA

 

[davidmc1158]

I was never comparing "taking part in a study where you may receive a saline injection" to "being flayed alive".
I merely used "being flayed alive" as an example of how "consent" is not a valid legal defense when being accused of grievous bodily harm.

When choosing my example, I wanted to choose something unmistakably wrong, something that absolutely nobody would look at and say "well, it's okay as long as they signed a consent form".

Even if I was wrong to use such an example, it doesn't change what the legal experts say.

The grievous bodily harm in the real world event that sparked this was that people were fraudulently given shots and told that they were being conferred resistance to a potentially lethal and highly communicable disease. You equated that to receiving a saline shot in a double blind study in which the participants were aware that they may or may not be given a saline shot. You're attempt to make that comparison has absolutely squat to do with the event in the first place or the nature of the legal issues involved with the people hit by that fraud.

Simply put, you missed the point of the whole conversation, straw manned into an example that had nothing to do with the conversation or situation at hand and fraudulently attempted to assert your position on some moral high ground. Dishonest from start to finish.

 

[Revnak]

I don't think that would work. If they really did suffer grievous bodily harm, then so too did the trial participants suffer grievous bodily harm when they were given placebo shots as part of the double-blind study.

Y’know, if I was banned from a random and immensely replaceable video game website, I’d just leave.