Strange, I always thought you could have both intelligent and mature artistic games that challenge the players and stupid mindless games good for a giggle without either representing the whole of gaming by themselves......
lollipop Chainsaw is a terrible idea.
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this is suda 51 we're talking about here he can do whatever the hell he want to because he is so batshit insane and get away with it and i think this is a great idea
The mighty sword of pork shall smite all evildoers!Jack and Calumon said:
Sounds like something Death Spank would say.
OT: Err...no, just no. Most books and movies should just stop being made as well then.
It's a Suda51 game, we can assume that all the sex and violence is supposed to be satirical. Have you played No More Heroes? Yeah, it looks a lot like mindless violence but it's actually a hilarious parody on video games in general. Suda51 usually tries to make an artistic statement with his games and i'm sure Lollipop Chainsaw Massacre will be no different, no matter how over the top it is.
Bah people need to quit this crap... if we really want games to be validated as a potential art form than we need to accept both the revolutionary and artistic as well as the schlock... like movies and books people need to realize that it isn't the medium that is the art form but the products within it that are the art... I.E. not every single movie or game needs to be art... only the few that aspire to be such will achieve actually becoming art... and of course that isn't a bad thing... we need the mindless shlock as well as the intellectually stimulating and emotionally turning... they're two sides of the same coin and we can't abolish one without abolishing the other...
Further more, his is hardly setting games back as a viable art form... for it is not the schlock that sets a precedent for what an art game can be, but it's the art games that do that... I think even the most jaded and cynical movie reviewer can understand that art games aren't represented by something like this...
Besides that doesn't even mean that this game is gonna be bad... it's Suda51... chances are it's gonna kick a whole lot of ass...<.<
Further more, his is hardly setting games back as a viable art form... for it is not the schlock that sets a precedent for what an art game can be, but it's the art games that do that... I think even the most jaded and cynical movie reviewer can understand that art games aren't represented by something like this...
Besides that doesn't even mean that this game is gonna be bad... it's Suda51... chances are it's gonna kick a whole lot of ass...<.<
You do realise that is just one game out of well ten of thousands of the current games out there?
Beside the company Suda 51 is a respectable company despite being bizzare at times so the game should hopefully ain't about the look (they know what they're doing).
Also how is Lollipop Chainsaw is any different from the other outcry games like Dead or Alive, Madworld or Call of Duty? Sure those games may have gotten some bad press but they still get release anyway.
I highly doubt that game will spark any new controversial onto the presses table other than the same old repeated stuff out there already!
Beside the company Suda 51 is a respectable company despite being bizzare at times so the game should hopefully ain't about the look (they know what they're doing).
Also how is Lollipop Chainsaw is any different from the other outcry games like Dead or Alive, Madworld or Call of Duty? Sure those games may have gotten some bad press but they still get release anyway.
I highly doubt that game will spark any new controversial onto the presses table other than the same old repeated stuff out there already!
Well, I personally think it's a terrible idea for different reasons.
But I'm gonna repeat the same old piece of logic that I've always used. Anything can be art, art can be shitty.
Are you gonna say a book like Twilight (loltwilight) sets back books as an artistic medium? That somehow because of it's very existence, it somehow makes other unrelated books seem shitty?
....Don't answer that.
But I'm gonna repeat the same old piece of logic that I've always used. Anything can be art, art can be shitty.
Are you gonna say a book like Twilight (loltwilight) sets back books as an artistic medium? That somehow because of it's very existence, it somehow makes other unrelated books seem shitty?
....Don't answer that.
pretty much this.erttheking said:
though I would argue that the distinction between Michael bay and suda51 is that there is some kind of twisted genius to suda whereas Michael bay,not so much
The film industry making serious films didn't cost it its comedy, serious books can exist alongside paperback trash and joke books, pornography and Cosmo haven't destroyed print media or film.TaintedSaint said:
It has precisely no effect on the artistic merit, or the seriousness, of games, and no matter what, those who don't like them will keep criticizing them "Haters gonna hate" and all that. The creation of this game means precisely nothing, and to those serious about their points of view, it has no effect on the industry as a whole, attitude or legality wise.
How can you say a game shouldn't be made because it will hurt the progress of the whole freedom of speech thing because that itself is bad for freedom of speech... if you catch my drift...
I see it as kind of making fun of the trend and it's clearly meant to be comedy so I don't have too much of an issue with it.
It's at least nice to have another female lead I guess.
It's at least nice to have another female lead I guess.
Why is it always this idea of "X game is the hammer in the coffin for games as art"?
Every time something like LC comes along, it's met with this exact argument over and over. How can games be art when many games really aren't striving for that goal?
Seriously, I don't honestly think I should have to actually explicitly point this out to anyone. It should be OBVIOUS.
Just because that 3 year old's macaroni "art" sucks and totally doesn't look anything like a giraffe and oh god what the hell why would you put that much glitter on there you idiot, doesn't mean that macaroni can't be a medium for art, nor does it lessen the artistic value of others in that medium. http://pinkbutterflyofdeath.deviantart.com/art/Macaroni-Dress-185921302
Just because macaroni on paper is the popular go-to preschool craft doesn't mean it can't be, and hasn't been, the medium for some fantastic art pieces.
Every time something like LC comes along, it's met with this exact argument over and over. How can games be art when many games really aren't striving for that goal?
Seriously, I don't honestly think I should have to actually explicitly point this out to anyone. It should be OBVIOUS.
Just because that 3 year old's macaroni "art" sucks and totally doesn't look anything like a giraffe and oh god what the hell why would you put that much glitter on there you idiot, doesn't mean that macaroni can't be a medium for art, nor does it lessen the artistic value of others in that medium. http://pinkbutterflyofdeath.deviantart.com/art/Macaroni-Dress-185921302
Just because macaroni on paper is the popular go-to preschool craft doesn't mean it can't be, and hasn't been, the medium for some fantastic art pieces.
I wish people would go back to the time when people want games to be good and fun instead of wanting it to be "art".
To me, people wanting games to be validated as art and going out of their way to please these "art" "critics"(Never seen an "critic" legitimately criticise a work without being told "He just don't get it", mostly it they seems like "who can kiss the ass of the guy with the most cash) holding back gaming, but that's just my opinion.
So yea, I'm looking forward to this. The trailers are a laugh and it's made by Suda"freakin"51. It promises visceral action-y gameplay and I'm hoping it delivers
To me, people wanting games to be validated as art and going out of their way to please these "art" "critics"(Never seen an "critic" legitimately criticise a work without being told "He just don't get it", mostly it they seems like "who can kiss the ass of the guy with the most cash) holding back gaming, but that's just my opinion.
So yea, I'm looking forward to this. The trailers are a laugh and it's made by Suda"freakin"51. It promises visceral action-y gameplay and I'm hoping it delivers
Its funny, before Bayonetta came out, I don't remember anyone going "Oh no, this game is about a sexually confident witch that kills the bad guys by having her clothes fly off its going to destroy gaming as an artform because...sex...and boobs..."
Mind you, I'm amazed at what that game got away with.
Lollipop Chainsaw is perhaps one of the only games I'm excited about this year, when you strip it down to its bare bones its Buffy the Vampire Slayer killing zombies with a chainsaw and it has Jimmy Urine from Mindless Self Indulgence as the voice of Zed the Zombie. Its stupid, dumb fun, I can't wait.
Mind you, I'm amazed at what that game got away with.
Lollipop Chainsaw is perhaps one of the only games I'm excited about this year, when you strip it down to its bare bones its Buffy the Vampire Slayer killing zombies with a chainsaw and it has Jimmy Urine from Mindless Self Indulgence as the voice of Zed the Zombie. Its stupid, dumb fun, I can't wait.
some say modern art is not art, some say photo manipulation is not art. Art is working hard at somthing, to send a message or just to make a spectical, some art is even offensive. Lady Gaga thinks of herself as an art piece. Art is in the eye of the beholder. You say games are not art? To you they are not. You say games are art? To you they are.
And please Shut up about this topic already, it is getting old. Just like ME3 threads
And please Shut up about this topic already, it is getting old. Just like ME3 threads