Looks like LulzSec is in trouble

[Atheist.]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Its still a criminal act. Regardless of what Sony did, it does not give anyone the right hack them.

If you light your cheating ex's car on fire, you will be arrested for Arson.

I agree with you in some respects, but rebellions against governments are technically illegal. Yet people who have openly rebelled have made create changes for countries across the globe. For a very simple example, look at America. We're no longer a colony, thanks to rebellion of some nature. It is VERY hard to create a change in this world with non-violent means. People that are non-violent get trampled and brushed under the rug.

While my example was a bit extreme, it is the same concept. Consumers rebelling against companies that have completely unreasonable ToS. If I wanted to lease a game system, I'd buy a damn PC (Which I already have.) Dictating what I do with my physical property is not only absurd, but is in violation of consumer rights. These companies need to take a step back. If they REALLY think they're leasing you a console, put it that way at the point of sale. Consoles are the only example I can think of where you buy something and are dictated to use it as instructed, aside from software (Different case entirely.)

To be clear, I'm obviously referencing the PS3 here. Between my PS3 and the games I've bought I've spent well over 3 grand. I just get pissed when I company I support so much treats me like a criminal.

 

[slacker09]

Since when did we start supporting giant corporations, especially one that lies to its consumers and can't secure its customers information?

Its like you people are cheering for BP for spilling oil in the Gulf.

The difference being that in this case it was a deliberate attack and not an accident. Though Sony certianly deserves blame for their security failings just as BP desirves blame for their faulty equipment and negligence, the situation would be better compared to intentional sabatoge, in which case I would certianly blame the saboteur more than the company.

 

[tirone231]

Honestly you can cheer for these groups all you like or say 'It's just a faceless corporation' but these are not revolutionaries, these are not political activists, these people are at best vigilantes, and not the batman kind. They aren't out to make the world better and they aren't trying to help anyone, they are hurting people and not the big CEOs or other high payed guys, the common folks, you an me.

In the aftermath of these attacks on Sony what is going to happen? Sony will cut costs to balance the losses from these attacks, that means the bottom level people who work long hours for a paycheck a fraction of the CEOs get their pink slips and unemployment gets another few thousand people added to the tally. Yeah those hackers really helped those people, and did nothing to the executives, and the millions of customers who lost access to their games for a few days, have had their personal information stolen and have to worry about losing everything to identity theft. Yeah great job hackers you put more weight on these people, and Sony will raise PSN costs to cover the loses and to pay for increased security, you guys did a great job.

These guys aren't heroes, these guys hurt millions of people just so they could arrogantly claim they accomplished something, so they could feel good about themselves. This is just bullying on another level guys, and you aren't hurting the decision makers you are hurting the guys who just do their jobs. No matter how good you are they are going to catch up with you eventually, the web isn't as anon as it used to be and the FBI has guys every bit as good as you are

I wanted to quote this...so it's read again.

You've said everything that I've wanted to say.

I'm also reposting for the sake of more people seeing this.

OT: In regards to LulzSec, these people are not being heroes in any way. If their interest was to show how vulnerable Sony was and nothing else, why be so arrogant and public about it? Why not take the "White Hat" approach and tell the company privately that you found an opening and wanted to warn them?

These people may think that they are simply being entertaining, but people at Sony may very well lose their jobs because of the initial hack, then the subsequent publicity hacks. Sony may very well have lied to their customers about the lack of Linux, and perhaps have gone too far in order to stop people from hacking their legally purchased systems, but that's not the fault of the lower level employees, it's the upper management. Bring up a class action lawsuit against Sony for the Linux and backwards compatibility debacle (I know, sounds easier than it is), but don't punish the consumer who just wants to enjoy their system but threatening their financial security.

For me, it's hard to root for hackers like this when you remember how badly people have been hurt by identity theft, and guys like Lulzsec aren't helping anything. Sony knew that it had been compromised, and part of the process of bringing back the PSN was probably to reinforce the electronic defenses. For all we know, Sony was in the process of installing an adequate security system when these subsequent hack happened.

Also, why go after Nintendo? Aside from making ungodly amounts of money from the Wii and introduce motion controls to gaming, Nintendo hasn't done anything to screw consumers over. And before anyone says it: no, constantly making new installments in long running franchises is not a crime, even if it does seem unoriginal.

Rant over.

 

[RaNDM G]

Wow. It only took them three days just to find information on ONE person. If the FBI were serious, they would have tracked and arrested several members within hours.

They're either getting lazy or are more pre-occupied with other cases.

 

[Beastialman]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Why? Cause you couldn't play Socom for a couple days?

Didn't Sony sell PS3 touting their capability to run multiple operating systems (i.e. Linux) and then go back on that by removing functions and punishing it's users until they updated their PS3's to remove the capability to run other OS's?

Sounds like Sony should be punished....oh wait

Sony never did anything illegal. All they did was remove a people many people didn't use, and most of the ones who did abused. So scorn Sony if you want for that, but I don't for that, now the removal of backwards compatibility in their later PS3's I do somewhat scorn them for. And, I agree as well that these people deserve jail time in the very least.

Actually a lot of people used the operating system as cheap server. In fact if I'm not mistaken the Escapist had a piece of news around the time the operating systems were disabled claiming that the US Navy or Air Force (can't remember which one) used PS3 for cheap server.

Also not to mention that one of the core reasons they shipped it with a choice to put an operating system on it was to be able to ship it as a personal computer and pay lower export tax as opposed to shipping it as a game console.

 

[jakefongloo]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

What you don't?







...Wierdo

 

[Jeffrey Rodriguez]

Since when did we start supporting giant corporations, especially one that lies to its consumers and can't secure its customers information?

Its like you people are cheering for BP for spilling oil in the Gulf.

People are cheering the arrest of people who engaged in illegal activities against a gaming company, and caused allot of third party suffering to it's customers not just the company itself.

 

[jakefongloo]

Unfortunately, LulzSec performed a necessary service. They're jerks and criminals, of course, and should be prosecuted, but they're kind of like... hm, what's a good analogy.. you know how people with kids buy pets, so that the kids will be less likely to develop allergies because they're already been exposed to allergens? Or how vaccines inject dead or weakened forms of a pathogen into your body so you can learn to fight it off? LulzSec are poking weak spots that need to be plugged one way or the other. Now, they've been doing some pretty nasty stuff, but it's conceivable that if they hadn't, someone worse could have come along and exploited those holes.

I would agree with you but they posted the information they stole from Sony online.

How could they have done worse with what they stole?

If they just got it, took the information, then handed it back to Sony with the tagline "clean up your shit" I would have no problem with lulzsec (other then their fucking retarded name)

 

[Atmos Duality]

I'm not going to get into a whole argument about the whole removal of Other OS, that's not what this thread is about anyways. Though if people where using it to cheat and pirate I say they where somewhat in the right to remove the function anyways. This is about the illegal actions of some hackers, and no matter what Sony may have done no illegal action against them, especially one that hurts so many third party people, is justified.

For now, I'll simply state that I disagree with it being completely justified. The current lack of definitive legal boundaries/rights is almost universally one-sided against the customer.
There needs to be legal control and provision yes, but it shouldn't be so loose as to legally permit Sony to virtually own products you bought from them, regardless of how they are used.

 

[Sacul]

Sorry PS3 fans, I'm cheering for the lulz on this one. Personally I don't know why ANYONE would want to give their support and money to a company that doesn't give a crap about your personal information safety.

Because at least that company gives enough of a crap to not put it on the internet, unlike Lulz. And Lulz has actually said that they do this kind of stuff because it's funny...they think it's funny that over a million people now have to deal with identity theft. Yeah, I'll take Sony any day.

 

[Awexsome]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Jail Rape is not funny at all.

Just to clarify.

Lol, I never thought about that in a literal sense until you brought that up.

 

[Hachura]

Oh, the United States Federal Booty Inspectors... I respect and love your work and salute you. Show these assholes the sights and give them breakfast, lunch and dinner.

 

[theultimateend]

you wanna watch the FBI and Sony ream guys in the ass?

Totally. They deserve every minute of jailtime they get over it.

Jail Rape is not funny at all.

Just to clarify.

Lol, I never thought about that in a literal sense until you brought that up.

Well I would count that as a victory then!

We both win this round!

 

[rapidoud]

I just love how unanimous the "fuck hackers, they deserve what they get" sentiment is. Totally consistent with how almost nobody gets upset when mass-murdering terrorists get assassinated or waterboarded.

I guess I really just shouldn't be surprised by how shitty people are anymore.

Last time I saw a mass-murderer arrested, he was Siberian, there was rejoice for being brought to justice for war crimes.

Anyway, apparently he wasn't in Lulzsec, either way, these guys are a bunch of tossers who need to be stopped.

 

[Laxman9292]

Honestly I'm rooting for lulzsec. They are willing to show these people how poorly these companies defend themselves, which is needed.

Yeah but usually they hire other companies that are, ya know, legitimate? Not a bunch of skript kiddies who think they are entitled to do whatever they want.

 

[The Rockerfly]

I gotta say bull on this, a group as talented would not make such a simple mistake and get caught so early.
Hell I am almost rooting for them to see what they'll do next. Kind of like the way I would keep the joker out of prison

 

[Antari]

And when things keep happening, we'll soon find they probably don't have who they are looking for.

 

[CharrHearted]

Honestly I'm rooting for lulzsec. They are willing to show these people how poorly these companies defend themselves, which is needed.

Even at the cost of millions of user data being stolen?

Nothing can justify such actions.

 

[magnuslion]

ITT: Tons of angry sony fanboys.

OT: If he got caught, he was most likely a low level operative, and he does not know anything worth anything.

also Captcha: standable opression. Ironic, is'nt it.