Mafia 2... sigh.
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I never listen to IGN. Sure you should take every review with a grain of salt, because it is mostly the reviewers opinion on the game. But IGN is horrible with games. Maybe I just think the exact opposite of them, but they give horrible games scores in the top nines, and really good games scores like 5 or 6.
I'm thinking it will be slightly improved on from Mafia 1, but keep the overall idea. I haven't played the demo, but my brother has. And from what I've seen it looks like you can now go out and buy weapons and enjoy a little bit of the town. What nobody seems to understand is that it is a story driven game, but they built a rather large city to place the story in. It just adds to the atmpshere of the game.
I'm thinking it will be good. It's a really nice change of pace from really badly paced stories in RDR or GTA4, and that is just because it really isn't open world. Sure you can most likely drive anywhere you want between missions, but you won't really be running down the street gunning people down for fun.
I'm thinking it deserves more of a high 8 or possibly a 9. I doubt it will be perfect, and there are going to be some annoyances, but I have yet to play a game that deserves a perfect 10.
I'm thinking it will be slightly improved on from Mafia 1, but keep the overall idea. I haven't played the demo, but my brother has. And from what I've seen it looks like you can now go out and buy weapons and enjoy a little bit of the town. What nobody seems to understand is that it is a story driven game, but they built a rather large city to place the story in. It just adds to the atmpshere of the game.
I'm thinking it will be good. It's a really nice change of pace from really badly paced stories in RDR or GTA4, and that is just because it really isn't open world. Sure you can most likely drive anywhere you want between missions, but you won't really be running down the street gunning people down for fun.
I'm thinking it deserves more of a high 8 or possibly a 9. I doubt it will be perfect, and there are going to be some annoyances, but I have yet to play a game that deserves a perfect 10.
I can't help but chuckle, knowing that a lot of escapists seemed to be hyped about Mafia 2. I played the first and as far as i could tell it was horribly mediocre; i expected the same for the sequel. It's another attempt to stretch the life of a crappy franchise (see Kane and Lynch, Crackdown and Army of Two)
I ignored this game when i heard about it and i still plan to. I just think it's going to be flat out mediocre. I'd like to hear what GameTrailers and Gamespot have to say about it, though.
I ignored this game when i heard about it and i still plan to. I just think it's going to be flat out mediocre. I'd like to hear what GameTrailers and Gamespot have to say about it, though.
I think it was spot on, and I have a respect for Greg Miller so I'd believe it.
If you actually read the review it says WHY it's not great. It's got really good story and really good gameplay but no meat to the open world. Personally that's fine with me, I just did the missions in GTA4 and didn't play in the world until I finished.
If you actually read the review it says WHY it's not great. It's got really good story and really good gameplay but no meat to the open world. Personally that's fine with me, I just did the missions in GTA4 and didn't play in the world until I finished.
That seems a bit odd, but I can dig it(I have no idea why I used that phrase). As long as the story is long I shouldn't have a problem with the linearity.Woodsey said:
I'm confused...the game got an 8, which is classified as "Impressive". And the first line of the review is:
Mafia II is upon us and ushering in a new era of wise guys and made men. If you've been waiting for this one, there is good news ? the game is fun.
Anyway, as far as this genre is confirmed, I'm more waiting for L.A. Noire [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Noire] then Mafia II.
Mafia II is upon us and ushering in a new era of wise guys and made men. If you've been waiting for this one, there is good news ? the game is fun.
Anyway, as far as this genre is confirmed, I'm more waiting for L.A. Noire [http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/L.A._Noire] then Mafia II.
and Portal failed entirely in its RPG elements.Irridium said:
Honestly, 'linear' just means it has a strong story element and wants to tell it. That is NOT a bad thing in itself, it's worked for books, TV, music and movies for the past 7 million (maybe exagerrated) years.
Best thing you can do is play the demo, if not, read multiple reviews, and if you're not hanging all your hopes on a sandbox game, you'll probably be fine.
REVIEWS ARE OPINIONS
that being said;
A COLLECTION OF REVIEWS IS BETTER THAN JUST ONE REVIEW!
I don't base all my game purchases on just reviews alone, and certainly not based on one review. I look at the collections of reviews that's been given to a game and see how the general public view the game. That gives me a good idea at how the game handles.
Remember, a review is not just "This game is good!" or "this game is bad!" A review points out what works with the game and what doesn't. If the majority of reviewers say that the controls for a game can be iffy, then I should keep it in mind. If 50% of reviewers say that the graphics are just fugly, while 50% of them say that they look fine, or even great, then I need to deduce that for myself.
AND, a 7 means it's "decent". It's not bad by any means, if you were a fan of the original Mafia you'll probably like this game just as well and probably already bought it.
that being said;
A COLLECTION OF REVIEWS IS BETTER THAN JUST ONE REVIEW!
I don't base all my game purchases on just reviews alone, and certainly not based on one review. I look at the collections of reviews that's been given to a game and see how the general public view the game. That gives me a good idea at how the game handles.
Remember, a review is not just "This game is good!" or "this game is bad!" A review points out what works with the game and what doesn't. If the majority of reviewers say that the controls for a game can be iffy, then I should keep it in mind. If 50% of reviewers say that the graphics are just fugly, while 50% of them say that they look fine, or even great, then I need to deduce that for myself.
AND, a 7 means it's "decent". It's not bad by any means, if you were a fan of the original Mafia you'll probably like this game just as well and probably already bought it.
We as gaming consumers have become entirely too sensitive to what professional reviews dictate we should enjoy or shun. While their assessments may be guidelines to go into a game with a certain expectation, individual opinion is still crucial for a game's appreciation.
AAA titles garner high-handed praise, but often result in games that have a lifespan of a month until something shinier comes along. Buried gems or indie projects can leave gamers glued to the screen for months at a time! Even heavily niche games such as Disgaea or even Dwarf Fortress are often passed over by mainstream audiences, leaving them relics appreciated only by a select crowd (that said, the crowd hardly minds - exclusivity is a catnip of its own)
With a title like Mafia 2, you can get a sense of what the game aims to deliver. A sense of freedom, heavy-handed dialogue, lots of shooting, probably civilian abuse, and a gradual rise to power. Most likely a betrayal or two.
Does that sound interesting to you? Great. At least give it a rent. Played the first and enjoyed it? You'll probably feel that the sequel delivers despite any shortcomings a newcomer may cite upon first exposure.
Of course, blind obedience results in such fanboy antics that fervently anticipate the next Warriors or Dragonball game (guilty pleasure, what can I say?), but the point remains: gamers establish their own palate for what they expect from a gaming title. Review media need only be taken in as rough indication or simply entertainment. Do not let it govern your gaming decisions solely by score.
AAA titles garner high-handed praise, but often result in games that have a lifespan of a month until something shinier comes along. Buried gems or indie projects can leave gamers glued to the screen for months at a time! Even heavily niche games such as Disgaea or even Dwarf Fortress are often passed over by mainstream audiences, leaving them relics appreciated only by a select crowd (that said, the crowd hardly minds - exclusivity is a catnip of its own)
With a title like Mafia 2, you can get a sense of what the game aims to deliver. A sense of freedom, heavy-handed dialogue, lots of shooting, probably civilian abuse, and a gradual rise to power. Most likely a betrayal or two.
Does that sound interesting to you? Great. At least give it a rent. Played the first and enjoyed it? You'll probably feel that the sequel delivers despite any shortcomings a newcomer may cite upon first exposure.
Of course, blind obedience results in such fanboy antics that fervently anticipate the next Warriors or Dragonball game (guilty pleasure, what can I say?), but the point remains: gamers establish their own palate for what they expect from a gaming title. Review media need only be taken in as rough indication or simply entertainment. Do not let it govern your gaming decisions solely by score.
I played the original Mafia on the PC, and frankly from the review it sounds like Mafia 2 is very much in its predecessor's footsteps. Which is to say, it's not Grand Theft Auto. That's not necessarily a bad thing. The GTA games have always made big play of the whole "sandbox world" thing, and it's true, there's a lot of stuff to do and often several ways to do it (I was tickled to discover it was possible to easily complete a "motorcycle" mission in one of them very easily by using a helicopter...) but if you think about it, character, plot, and plausibility often fall by the wayside in the name of doing so. There's often little more reason for the protaganist to be engaging in the various activities other than that, hey, there's a mission flag or a race flag or an activity flag in this particular spot. Don't get me wrong, I've really enjoyed the GTA games I've played. They're very entertaining, they're just often entertaining at the cost of having a big neon sign on their chest that says "this is an entertainment".
Mafia (the first one) looked superficially like a GTA clone, but it was significantly different. There was less of a sense that the streets (and cars) bleed into the buildings (and the chases, gunplay, and fighting), but in exchange there was a sense that the various set pieces were being choreographed and shot by a skilled director rather than largely improvised by an amateur psychopath (that being the player, no offense.) Having to drive from one end of town to the other in a car from the 20s that could barely reach 60 mph around cops who actually paid attention did more for my sense of "I'm in a real place" than all the rushing around on sidewalks and over bridge rails in GTA, entertaining as they were.
In short, I'd still go ahead and buy Mafia 2, or at least read around for some more reviews rather than insisting one feature set is the be-all-end-all of what a game of this broad genre must contain. It's a different experience, but not at all necessarily an inferior one.
Mafia (the first one) looked superficially like a GTA clone, but it was significantly different. There was less of a sense that the streets (and cars) bleed into the buildings (and the chases, gunplay, and fighting), but in exchange there was a sense that the various set pieces were being choreographed and shot by a skilled director rather than largely improvised by an amateur psychopath (that being the player, no offense.) Having to drive from one end of town to the other in a car from the 20s that could barely reach 60 mph around cops who actually paid attention did more for my sense of "I'm in a real place" than all the rushing around on sidewalks and over bridge rails in GTA, entertaining as they were.
In short, I'd still go ahead and buy Mafia 2, or at least read around for some more reviews rather than insisting one feature set is the be-all-end-all of what a game of this broad genre must contain. It's a different experience, but not at all necessarily an inferior one.
Gamespot had a more insightful, professional review. They actually seemed motivated to praise it and demerit where appropriate.
They gave it an 8.5 overall.. I'd like to watch the video review, but as they say in the review.. it's a story-heavy game, so the review would spoil it. No sense in ruining a story I'll be playing tomorrow. (Here's looking at you UPS, for getting Amazon's release-date delivery on my doorstep early.)
They gave it an 8.5 overall.. I'd like to watch the video review, but as they say in the review.. it's a story-heavy game, so the review would spoil it. No sense in ruining a story I'll be playing tomorrow. (Here's looking at you UPS, for getting Amazon's release-date delivery on my doorstep early.)
Hmm, i guess Gamespot IS getting better [after the god awful 2008 year, i barely ever visited their site], but now it seems that they are getting better. Good to know.SyphonX said:
That... was.. quite unpleasant.Furburt said:
He epitomizes the type of person I avoid in all aspects of life. I don't want to associate with people like him, not even on the internet.
He got so sexist and insane towards the end of the rant, that it made me wonder if his hatred for Final Fantasy is just a target for how seriously uncomfortable he is with his supposed sexuality. The air-humping, the absolutely horrid insults to the cosplay women..
Anyway, I'm only commenting on this because in the beginning, it's claimed that he is an Editor on IGN, and I find that rather hard to believe. He must be an intern?
In the end:
Anyway, this has nothing to do with Mafia 2, but still... it surprised the hell out of me. Gave me a little insight as to what's been going on with IGN. No more grains of salt for IGN.. I'll just pass.
Seriously, is this warranted? Does he realize that underage kids play these games too? It's marketed at young-to-mid teens primarily. So where does he get off doing this? My word.. as a supposed editor? The guy has some serious life-crisis issues.
Anyway, this has nothing to do with Mafia 2, but still... it surprised the hell out of me. Gave me a little insight as to what's been going on with IGN. No more grains of salt for IGN.. I'll just pass.
Well... That guy is absolutly, positivly, irrefutably a complete douchebag. I wouldn't even humor him with making a well thought out letter just to have him throw it into his junk email bin.Furburt said: