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Blue Sonnet

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Strange situation I'd like some male advice on:

I've been friends with my ex since we split three years ago (generally amicable, faults on both sides, etc). We were together for four years, engaged, and I was his first girlfriend. I also managed to stop him taking relatively soft drugs, and getting so hammered he didn't know where he was.

We still speak occasionally (once a month or so), he tends to call at random intervals because he wants someone to talk to. He doesn't speak to his friends anymore because he decided it was a good idea to get a mortgage during the housing crisis, but that's another story.

He turned up on the doorstep earlier this evening out of the blue (albeit with seven calls to me that I didn't answer in the past week, but I did text once), apparently to see if I'm alright as I was taken into hospital a little while ago. We spoke for a while about nothing in particular, all the usual stuff about pets, work etc. Then he went home after saying he'd speak later on IM. Then looked me up and down appraisingly and mentioned how I "still looked really good"...

Basically, we promised early on to tell each other if we started seeing someone, just out of good faith. That promise was two years ago, but I've since found out via the 'net that he has a girlfriend. One who he's been posting pictures of on Facebook from September until two days ago.

I tried to approach the subject when we spoke later on IM, but the connection apparently failed on his end, just at the point where I mentioned her name followed by a questionmark, to see how he'd react. I was rather glad of it's failure, it felt a little petty at the time, the way I approached things. He insisted he had no new friends and had absolutely no-one to spend time with when I asked some leading questions.

I am not remotely jealous, just miffed that he hasn't mentioned her. It's a pretty big thing. He has also asked some pretty leading questions - What went wrong, Could we work if we had met now instead of then, etc. That was around September, but it was after a few drinks.

He also called after the IM'ing, and pretty much poured his heart out about how bad things are at work, bills, etc. I kept thinking, why can't you speak to her about this? You've been together for four months, surely you can lean on her for this type of thing?

All I'd like to know is what other people think of the situation. My sister wants me to cut all ties, my mother wants to just cut things off (I've been in a nasty situation like this before, but I was still with the guy at the time, so I can't blame them).

I still want to be friends, as we get on really well together, but if he is lying about such a large thing, especially if it's for an ulterior motive or any lingering feelings, then I'm not so sure anymore. I have never been worried about our friendship until now though, I don't want to over-react, especially since a lot of friends are mutual, so I can't ask their opinion. This post is the furthest this situation is going to go outside the two of us.

We also used to keep chinchillas together which he still owns, but keeps thinking of excuses as to why I can't see them, and now I'm starting to wonder why.
 

joystickjunki3

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Sounds like he just still cares about you to me, and that's why he might not have told you about the girlfriend. But I don't know absolutely everything about the situation. I can really only speak for myself, but I've never stopped caring for my first love; I'm not sure if all guys feel that way.
 

Blue Sonnet

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fullmetalangel said:
Sounds like he just wants you both if this other girl is indeed a girlfriend. Also, the connection failure sounds fishy.
Don't think there's anything particularly special about him pouring his heart out to you, he probably did it with his new girlfriend too I'm guessing.

Don't wanna be a prick but you did ask for an opinion, that's just the way it looks like to me.
No problem, I want honest answers, I don't want to stay friends with someone who's gonna start playing games.

The pouring his heart out thing, that struck me more because it's a little sad that he can't do that with her, more than a reason to think that I'm still special in that way.

The connection failure was totally fishy, but he did take a long time to reply to a few things, plus he was apparently cleaning the kitchen and not paying attention - before the name drop I dropped enough hints to flatten London but he still didn't twig. I don't think he's that stupid, so the balance of probability is slightly towards the connection drop - it was MSN Messenger that he used after all.

perfectimo said:
Why not just ask him why he didn't talk to you?
That's plan B for the next time he calls - this can't go on and still have me trust him.

Optimus Prime said:
Judging by what you said, he sounds, and don't take this the wrong way, as if he's got depression.
He's been clinically diagnosed and is on all sorts of meds, including some sleeping tablets that his doctor told him "would be fun if he enjoyed taking E's in the past".

He also has post-traumatic stress from his parents shop being attacked with a machete-wielding robber a couple of years ago. Stupid doctor missed this one, but it's extremely obvious because he still has trouble visiting one on his own.
 

Art Axiv

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Which proves : After love, friendship doesn't exist. For one reason or another.

My advice [ I have been cheated on by everygirlfriend i had so far ] : Talk to him, face to face, ask him simple question : What are you thinking of, what are your plans, why are you trying to have two girls etc. If he doesn't reply, he lies. If he hesitates, he may try to pull off a lie, if he talks straight, THINK of taking it for true.
 

Ursus Astrorum

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Aye, I agree with everyone else. He probably still likes/loves you, as he sounds like the kind of guy to never forget a loved one, but he's probably in a world of confusion because of it. I'd say cut ties for a while, give him time to think and sort things out. If he comes back and things haven't changed, burn the bridges and move on. Even if he does change, your original reason for leaving will probably crop up again at some point.
 

Cahlee

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I'm a girl, sorry. But I've been in a semi-similar thing. I've found that friendships with ex's while one of them is questioning breaking up, just DOESN'T work.
 

Blue Sonnet

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raxiv said:
Which proves : After love, friendship doesn't exist. For one reason or another.
I've found this to be true when feelings still exist, I've a good friend who's an ex, and we honestly feel nothing for each other. That said, feelings on his side are why I'm worried and asking for advice.

This sounds like I just want to be friends because he needs a friend - I really want to stay in touch because we get on well, that's all - I get enough people needing sympathy in my volunteering to take on another case.

fullmetalangel said:
Well, I don't have much to say about the first bit about all of that, but about this, I find that when some people can't figure out a good lie on the spot, if they haven't already thought of one, they just try to ignore the issue and hope it goes away, feigning ignorance. If that fails, they hit the panic button.
~fullmetalangel
That's the first thing I thought - sounds fishy as hell, but he's never lied before, in four years. Emphasis on "before" though.

Cahlee said:
I'm a girl, sorry. But I've been in a semi-similar thing. I've found that friendships with ex's while one of them is questioning breaking up, just DOESN'T work.
Beginning to think that too, hun.

Please let me know if I'm quote climbing or similar with all these replies, don't want to spam or anything.
 

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joystickjunki3 said:
Sounds like he just still cares about you to me, and that's why he might not have told you about the girlfriend. But I don't know absolutely everything about the situation. I can really only speak for myself, but I've never stopped caring for my first love; I'm not sure if all guys feel that way.

Been there, done that, got her t-shirt.

No, I didn't. But I still do care about her, and I think she feels the same way. Certainly seems that way at parties, if you know what I mean. It's all really confusing.

And I agree. Seems like he still cares for you, Blue Sonnet.
 

Art Axiv

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Blue Sonnet said:
That said, feelings on his side are why I'm worried and asking for advice.

This will sound harsh, but its my view.

You SHOULD -NOT- care about "feelings on his side". Are you his mother? A friend is a friend, nothing more. You say 'hi' and 'how's it going', and you maybe offer help, but if you go around thinking about everyone's emotions you'll be emotionally drained.. very fast. Here a good manner of making your OWN definition of words: acquintance, friend, best friend, boyfriend, fiancee, and husband. They all mean different things, they are describing different levels of relationships - even I mix them up often - especially drunk.
Blue Sonnet said:
This sounds like I just want to be friends because he needs a friend - .
If he needs a friend, fine. He doesn't need a lover or a girlfriend, not to mention a fiancee. Treat him like one. But certainly, in my book, a girl shouldn't look at what your ex needs. He knows you are in the past. If you want you can bring him in to the present and future, but now, what i written before comes in - are you ready to assign him another title? Of course, You will go through a lot, share his pain etc. but hey, it's all part of the deal. Like sex and pregnancy.
 

Caliostro

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Ok, I have to ask: Why do you care if he does or does not have a girlfriend?

From what I read from your post, you only want to be his friend, so... Why does it matter if he does or does not have a girlfriend? That's not part of your life anymore. If you wanna be his friend, nothing stops you from being his friend, but you're not his girl anymore.


... Unless you DO actually want to be his girl and as much as you deny it you still got lingering feelings for him, making you feel cheated on regarding this new relationship of his.

In other words: Make up your mind. You want him or not? If you do then you probably should be trying to get him back, if you don't it's none of your business who he may or may not be dating.
 

Cahlee

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Caliostro said:
Ok, I have to ask: Why do you care if he does or does not have a girlfriend?

From what I read from your post, you only want to be his friend, so... Why does it matter if he does or does not have a girlfriend? That's not part of your life anymore. If you wanna be his friend, nothing stops you from being his friend, but you're not his girl anymore.


... Unless you DO actually want to be his girl and as much as you deny it you still got lingering feelings for him, making you feel cheated on regarding this new relationship of his.

In other words: Make up your mind. You want him or not? If you do then you probably should be trying to get him back, if you don't it's none of your business who he may or may not be dating.

I don't think she's upset coz he has a girlfriend, I think she's upset because he lied about it. You dont lie to your mates.
 

mokes310

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You can't be friends with your ex, especially one that you were that close to. It doesn't work 99.99% of the time. My advice would be to just cut the ties, move on, and live your life.
 

Caliostro

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Cahlee said:
Caliostro said:
Ok, I have to ask: Why do you care if he does or does not have a girlfriend?

From what I read from your post, you only want to be his friend, so... Why does it matter if he does or does not have a girlfriend? That's not part of your life anymore. If you wanna be his friend, nothing stops you from being his friend, but you're not his girl anymore.


... Unless you DO actually want to be his girl and as much as you deny it you still got lingering feelings for him, making you feel cheated on regarding this new relationship of his.

In other words: Make up your mind. You want him or not? If you do then you probably should be trying to get him back, if you don't it's none of your business who he may or may not be dating.

I don't think she's upset coz he has a girlfriend, I think she's upset because he lied about it. You dont lie to your mates.
Yes you do. Everyone lies.

Specially since it's a sensitive subject.
 

Cahlee

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Caliostro said:
Cahlee said:
Caliostro said:
Ok, I have to ask: Why do you care if he does or does not have a girlfriend?

From what I read from your post, you only want to be his friend, so... Why does it matter if he does or does not have a girlfriend? That's not part of your life anymore. If you wanna be his friend, nothing stops you from being his friend, but you're not his girl anymore.


... Unless you DO actually want to be his girl and as much as you deny it you still got lingering feelings for him, making you feel cheated on regarding this new relationship of his.

In other words: Make up your mind. You want him or not? If you do then you probably should be trying to get him back, if you don't it's none of your business who he may or may not be dating.

I don't think she's upset coz he has a girlfriend, I think she's upset because he lied about it. You dont lie to your mates.
Yes you do. Everyone lies.

Specially since it's a sensitive subject.
I dont know about you, but I wouldn't lie about having a boyfriend to ANY of my friends, and one of them is an ex boyfriend of mine. I can't speak for Blue Sonnet, but from what I've read, she's confused why he would lie about having a girlfriend and that's understandable. I would be too. Doesn't mean she wants to get back with him.
 

theklng

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i'd reckon he still has feelings for you. about the heart spill: maybe he doesn't feel comfortable with his new girlfriend enough to tell her, where as you have been his friend for a longer while. i also consider the heart spill a "break" in the sense of that his "defenses" are down and he is completely lost. maybe he split from his girlfriend and feels for her too.

best advice is straight out honesty. i know i appreciate even the harshest honesty (i tend to get emotionally jaded sometimes) rather than avoiding a conflict or ignoring something completely. as i stated before, his guard is down, so he might be a bit more open about the subject now. either way, that's the only way i see to get to the bottom of this.

also, on the part of lying: it depends entirely on the context. there's no absolute can and can't because everything is relative. for the most when i speak with whomever, i answer truthfully even if it can get me into trouble (e.g. an instance of police pulling you over (i got out of the situation without trouble)).
 

meatloaf231

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As far as I can tell, his life was in far better shape when he was with you, and now that he's in some trouble, perhaps he's trying to go back to how things were. It may not even be on purpose. He may have pleasant memories with you and unpleasant ones afterwards, and thus his mind tells him "Go backwards. Everything was great back then."

Cut things off with him, I'd say. Friendships with exes rarely work for long.
 

Art Axiv

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Optimus Prime said:
You said yourself he's depressed - you do the maths on that one. I don't think it needs to be said.
Who cares? I had an experience where a girl dumped me and said to me "Please don't commit suicide".

Either way, he may or may not do it. It isnt up to her to decide. She won't pull the ends that hard to make him stop or do it.
 

Blue Sonnet

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Caliostro said:
Ok, I have to ask: Why do you care if he does or does not have a girlfriend?

From what I read from your post, you only want to be his friend, so... Why does it matter if he does or does not have a girlfriend? That's not part of your life anymore. If you wanna be his friend, nothing stops you from being his friend, but you're not his girl anymore.


... Unless you DO actually want to be his girl and as much as you deny it you still got lingering feelings for him, making you feel cheated on regarding this new relationship of his.

In other words: Make up your mind. You want him or not? If you do then you probably should be trying to get him back, if you don't it's none of your business who he may or may not be dating.
It doesn't matter to me at all, but his reasons for not saying so after such a long time does matter - I don't want to be in a friendship where someone has ulterior motives or hopes that I can't fulfil, where one or both of us could be hurt because of mixed feelings. I've had a friend who liked me before, but I didn't like him back, and the look in his eyes when I was with someone killed me a little inside. Now he is married, and we are back to the wonderful friendship we had before things got messy. I don't want that again if I can help it.

I have no romantic feelings for him - he has been with at least two other women since we were together, and that's not something I could get over - especially since one was the girl we broke up over.

If I did still want to be with him, I wouldn't want to "get him back". If someone cheats, that is the end of it. It has been three years, and I know for a fact that there are no feelings left. To be honest, there were none before the break-up, we were together for longer than the feelings were. That's why it's strange that he's been asking those questions.

Come to think of it, he's been asking them for a long while now, but always after a few drinks, which I put it down to at the time. That's why what's happening now is so confusing, and I'm normally pretty good at reading people, I've studied it for a long time.