Man Let Son Suffocate Because He Was Playing WoW

iDoom46

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I know games like WoW are made to be addicting, so yeah, it is kind of (indirectly) WoW's fault for the father not attending to his crying child while he was playing.

But if he saw that the pillow on the kid's face while he was AWAY from the game, and just didn't bother to move it because he's a lazy piece of shit, then he's just a bad fucking father and WoW has nothing to do with it.

Frankly, no parent of an infant should have enough free time to play WoW. If they do, something is wrong.
 

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Daemascus said:
How is this WoWs fault? This man is just a bad parent. He could just as easly been watching football or something and this could have turned out the same. Blaming WoW is just an excuse.
Yeah exactly.

Sometimes the powers that be forget to blame the psychosis of the person responsible and choose to blame games, music, movies etc because it makes for good tabloid porn.

At the end of the day I LOVE my video games. I will admit I'm a total dork; I spend most of my free time playing them. I've done a good 18 hour run before and forced myself to go to bed.

I would not, however, let my child DIE because I didn't want to log off. What a psycho.
 

ScourgeOfHell

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Excuse me, but if someone clubs you to death with a stick, i hardly think its the sticks fault you got murdered
 

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I would like to propose that the Escapist stop posting these stories.

Before I go on, I'd like to say that I do not now, nor have I ever, worked in the gaming industry in any capacity. I have a blog, which I won't link here, which is gaming-related.

Any number of children lose their lives each year to causes relating to parental neglect or abuse. Each one is a personal tragedy, and indeed, many may have been entirely preventable if the parents behaved differently. In many cases, there may have been circumstances relating to some other activity that led a parent to believe, temporarily, that their unjustifiable actions were justifiable, or that some other activity they were engaged in was more important than attending to the child.

However there is also no justification for the peculiar attention paid to gaming when the other activity is somehow gaming-related. I'd wager that any number of infants smother, suffocate or strangle on pillows or bedclothes all over the world each year while an inattentive parent is performing some other activity: watching television, speaking on the telephone, working out, gambling, drinking, perhaps even reading a good book. When the parent was watching TV, I'm not going to read about this tragedy in TV Guide. When the parent was watching a film, I'm not going to end up reading about it in Premiere magazine. When the parent was eating or drinking, I'm not going to read about it in Gourmet. If they were reading a book, I'm not going to read about this death in the New York Times Review of Books, along with a sidebar about whether or not reading is addictive or leads to child abuse. If an inattentive parent leaves a child locked in a hot car on a summer day, I'm not going to read about it in Road & Track.

That's because all these activities, even ones that are inherently risky, like driving a car, are considered normal and acceptable. That they are sometimes involved in otherwise unrelated tragedies do not lead to calls for those activities to be restricted, regulated, reformed, or companies engaged in producing related products somehow held responsible for the parents' actions.

Gaming is no different and should be no different. It is time for the gaming press to acknowledge this fact by treating these stories for what they are: stories of personal tragedy that are, at best, tangential to gaming. I know there's going to be resistance to that position. It will feel, to some, like a cover-up. I don't think most, if any, of the contributors and editors at the Escapist believe that developers are somehow responsible for these deaths, no matter how engrossing or even addicting their products and services are. Still, they feel these incidents should be acknowledged so that seemingly legitimate questions about the nature of these games can be discussed.

I'm not sure that is productive, however. Even when parental abuse is contributed to by the use of dangerous, addictive, illegal substances, and the mainstream media reports on such events, the substances are mentioned in the context of the story not because they are addictive but because they are illegal-- because an apparently victimless crime, drug use, can lead to one that is most decidedly not victimless-- the death of a child. A child can just as easily die while his or her parents lies passed out on the couch from heavy drinking, but this will not lead to widespread calls for a return to prohibition, nor will anyone write about it in a wine tasting magazine.

If the Escapist is about gamers, game developers, and gaming culture, it's time to recognize that not every event that happens to a gamer is relevant-- even when that event is high profile, tragic, and used by those who consider gaming culture as a negative influence to justify their position. Continuing to post these stories at best is preaching to the choir, and at worst, gives credence to the industry's most stalwart and irrational critics.

Sorry for the long post.
 

Sejs Cube

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1. You don't have pillows (especially soft ones) around infants for exactly this reason. Er, the suffocating reason, not the other one.

2. NEWS FLASH! DATELINE: THE INTERNET! Bad parents have hobbies, do things. Film at 11. Seriously, who the fuck cares if he was playing WoW, jerking off to tranny porn, or drinking a beer while watching football? Inattentive parent is inattentive parent.
 

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so basically he saw a pillow on his sons head and left it there cause he was playing a game?

Hang him if found guilty after deleting his wow toons in front of him.
Oh no...he should live with it. >D

As much as it pains me to say this, this isn't WoW's fault. Man is just a bad human being.
 

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Come on man! You couldn't take the three seconds away from the raid to save your son from dying? No brb or "bio break" or even a "Hang on my sons chocking". Ehhh, whatever. I'm sorry the kids life got cut short because of a stupid mistake. Not to mention the man who has to live down the guilt of killing his own child. Though I'm not even sure if he feels guilty with the way his blaming it on the game and not just taking responsibility. Oh and the mother. Boy I can tell whoever was involved in this is going to be living a shitstorm for years.
 

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aa not this kind of news again its the partents fault not the game.
i hope that when video games are loved by all and the new generation is old we come full circle and then blame books for everything.
 

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King's bay, Sailor...

My friend if you are a submariner I have a special steel baton with your name on it...

That was YOUR kid you disgrace...

What the hell is wrong with you. Enjoy Leavenworth. Ya scum.

Mostly if he was Subs, let alone trident ballistic subs, most the trained and "AWARE" people they are living next to reactors and nuclear warheads like I did...yeah no blaming a video game on this one chuckles...either way you screwed up big time...

And worse...you blame a video game?

Suck it up be a man and tell the truth...
 

iDoom46

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Aeshi said:
Wonder how many of the degenerates going "This prove WoW bad durrrr" would still say the same thing if he had let the kid snuff it to play more CoD or ME2.
This doesn't really prove anything. WoW is bad because its purposefully addicting (but its so much fun!), but that is neither here nor there. Neglect is neglect no matter what game you're playing.
Plus, ever since shooters started integrating RPG elements like classes/rank ups/prestige, and all games now have achievements, you can pretty much say all games have a level of addictiveness to them.

9_6 said:
A pillow?
How the fuck does that even work and how is one expected to predict that?
But of course, everyone in here just keeps rambling on that he supposedly "knew" his kid was dying but didn't care and should get the hardest punishment yadda yadda yadda.

Also it could've easily been watching football, phoning or any sort of distraction, why does the article lay the "blame" squarely on WoW?
Grow a fucking brain, people.
1) Its called smothering. Look it up
2) You should read the article closer. He saw his son was in trouble and didn't move the pillow.
3) He also neglected his crying child whilst playing WoW.
4) Any parent of a small child should know to periodically check up on them, constantly. Never leave a small child unattended unless they're asleep and/or in a crib/playpen. (do they even make those anymore? I haven't seen one in ages!)

The fact is, games keep you engrossed for HOURS on end, whereas you can pause a movie, check during commercial breaks, etc.
I feel I must reiterate: NO PARENT OF AN INFANT HAS ANY BUSINESS PLAYING WOW. WoW is far too time-consuming. If they're playing WoW, then their child isn't getting the proper attention.
 

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Parental neglect has been around since parents and kids have been around. Hell, the number one cause of domestic violence against kids is probably alcohol or drugs, yet FOX doesn't say "Budweiser should be banned! It's tearing our families apart!".

The idea that all parents love their kids or have an attachment to their kids is a myth. MOST parents do have an attachment to their family members and children, but I'd say at least 10% of parents honestly have no emotional connection to their kids and only take care of them out of social pressure or they just go along with it.

It can also take many forms - letting your child die is one extreme of parental neglect, but there are other ways it manifests - like letting your kid drink himself/herself to death because you just can't be bothered hiding the alcohol - I knew a kid who did this. He came from a wealthy family that happened to have more than a few alcoholics, and he pretty much drank himself to oblivion because his parents just didn't care enough to put a lock on the minifridge or talk to him about his drinking. He dropped out of school at 15 and I don't know where he is now but I'm betting it's not in a good place.

Or what about the parents who just let their kids run wild and become irresponsible jerks? That's a form of neglect.

The news wants us to think that Video-games cause bad parenting. This is not the case. Bad parents are just bad parents! Bad parents have existed since the beginning of time and will always continue to exist! The video-games didn't cause him to not care about his son - he already didn't care about him, because if he did care about him he wouldn't have ignored his son crying. The kid probably would have died regardless of what the father was doing - he could have been reading, gardening, listening to music or watching TV, he would have still ignored his son.

If you are a good parent, and you hear your child is in distress, you DROP WHAT YOU ARE DOING IMMEDIATELY. It doesn't matter WHAT IT IS. You STOP and you GET UP and you SEE what is bothering your child. Unless you are literally performing surgery or mixing dangerous chemicals in a science experiment, or fighting a fire (and why would you bring you son to a hospital/lab/house on fire?), you have NO excuse to ignore your child. Good parents understand this, and no matter WHAT they were doing, would have stopped to check up on their kid. This guy didn't, and it wasn't WoW's fault. He just didn't care about the kid. Plain and simple. He just didn't care that much.
 

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Addictions are a bad thing to have.

Truely the man had something wrong in his head, like that Gambler who gives up everything they own so they can hope one day that they'll win.
 

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Daemascus said:
How is this WoWs fault? This man is just a bad parent. He could just as easly been watching football or something and this could have turned out the same. Blaming WoW is just an excuse.
Basically, this.

I dislike the fact that it seems the media often uses an extreme example to paint the entire gaming community. Also, is it just me or are stories like this becoming more and more common?
 

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... You couldn't had picked a better day to add these news.
Now I am going to hope all day that this was an april fools joke.
 

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He is a negligent asshole who deserves to rot in prison. I do not care how addicted you are to something when you hear your child crying and showing any signs of distress, you stop whatever the hell it is you are doing to check up on them. You also never leave a child to their own devices, especially an infant. They need to have an eye on them at all the time I am afraid to say. When a child comes into the world and you are their parent, you grow the hell up and take responsibility.
 

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This has less to do with WoW and more to do with shitty parenting and poor prioritization skills.