Well then your different than me to me the scientific proven answer is right not the human one. Always.Somethingironic said:
Meaning of Life
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The scientific answer is right if we accept it as being right. But even then all our findings are rooted in the human experience and based upon our own senses. So if somebody's senses tell them something oppositional to what science says, they should disagree, no?
Science over senses for me (EX. You could see a magic trick but you know that it is fake because of science even if you have never seen how it is done)Somethingironic said:
That's kind of how I feel, but sometimes...shatnershaman said:
It's just like WHAT IF? You know?
Exactly. Animals are made to be eaten by another thus preserving the balance. Since we kicked that in the face we've been getting things like global warming, deforestation, overpopulation, all because the laws of nature apply less to us now. How's scared of walking out their front door and being eaten by Lions?Somethingironic said:
here are my beliefs.
1. time is an illusion
2. space is as well
3. there are no happy people, just sad people in denial.
3. humans are different from animals not because we make choices, but because we believe those choices matter.
I might be wrong, but there they are, my beleifs.
1. time is an illusion
2. space is as well
3. there are no happy people, just sad people in denial.
3. humans are different from animals not because we make choices, but because we believe those choices matter.
I might be wrong, but there they are, my beleifs.
Here's a good one I just thought of:
According to the red shift effect, the universe is expanding as everything is moving away from us. But what space is the universe expanding into. If as an entity the universe is growing, then there must be some sort of entity outside of that that had previously been there for the universe to grow into. If we could distinguish that very entity as being nothingness we must ask ourselves:
Can we truly comprehend nothingness? Is that the reason we fear death? Because we don't know what nothingness is?
I think we could figure out what nothingness looks like, if we were to travel at the speed of light, we could look around us and get a general idea of what nothingness: i.e. absence of light truly is. I don't mean darkness, but the actual point where light no longer affects what is around us. We might just see blackness, but maybe not...
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Also, I don't believe in heaven. Or at least not the heaven where you get what you want, whenever you want. The analogy of the EDEN story with Adam and Eve is a reflection of human nature. Humans want pleasure and good times, but without the suffering and pain to reach those happy times, the good times lose meaning and just become the norm. So if heaven existed for even a moment, it would instantly just become the norm. You could mix it up a little, sure. But at the end of the day, you won't enjoy anything if you don't know it's true value, and if you've never experienced the effort to get there. That's why I think we've got to collectively work towards heaven on Earth, make everybody immortal and then decide to not have kids. Those little bastards have to work to get their slice of the pie!
According to the red shift effect, the universe is expanding as everything is moving away from us. But what space is the universe expanding into. If as an entity the universe is growing, then there must be some sort of entity outside of that that had previously been there for the universe to grow into. If we could distinguish that very entity as being nothingness we must ask ourselves:
Can we truly comprehend nothingness? Is that the reason we fear death? Because we don't know what nothingness is?
I think we could figure out what nothingness looks like, if we were to travel at the speed of light, we could look around us and get a general idea of what nothingness: i.e. absence of light truly is. I don't mean darkness, but the actual point where light no longer affects what is around us. We might just see blackness, but maybe not...
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Also, I don't believe in heaven. Or at least not the heaven where you get what you want, whenever you want. The analogy of the EDEN story with Adam and Eve is a reflection of human nature. Humans want pleasure and good times, but without the suffering and pain to reach those happy times, the good times lose meaning and just become the norm. So if heaven existed for even a moment, it would instantly just become the norm. You could mix it up a little, sure. But at the end of the day, you won't enjoy anything if you don't know it's true value, and if you've never experienced the effort to get there. That's why I think we've got to collectively work towards heaven on Earth, make everybody immortal and then decide to not have kids. Those little bastards have to work to get their slice of the pie!
I wouldn't say you're wrong, I just think that that is a poor way to look at life. There are happy people out there, and they aren't in denial. They've just accepted the life around them for what it is, no matter how shitty, and decided to just live with it and go enjoy it. I mean there is a point where you just have to look and go, I'm not going to stand at the sidelines and make observations, I'm just going to jump in and have some fun. Will the fun/happiness end at some point? Sure. Could you ever repeat that exact moment of happiness again? Never. But the experience should hopefully have been enough to have had meaning.finalcut315 said:
I was gonna say your taking it out of context but you have a valid arguement. I've had a fucked up life, but maybe I just can't accept things for what they are.Somethingironic said:
though I'm adding something to my list 4. humans are psychotic by nature, they rose above all other species by being more efficient killers.
again just my opinion.
I was gonna say your taking it out of context but you have a valid arguement. I've had a fucked up life, but maybe I just can't accept things for what they are.Somethingironic said:
though I'm adding something to my list 5. humans are psychotic by nature, they rose above all other species by being more efficient killers.
again just my opinion.
The meaning of life will most of the time only come to us on our deathbeds:
I should've stopped playing video games, watching porn, and posting in forums and just enjoy life....
nah.
maybe replace video games, porn and forum with worrying, warring and fighting and that may sound a little better
I should've stopped playing video games, watching porn, and posting in forums and just enjoy life....
nah.
maybe replace video games, porn and forum with worrying, warring and fighting and that may sound a little better
Triple post actually... but you're forgiven.
I think that life just is, you are dealt what you're dealt, and you've got to make the most of it. Somebody could say that that makes God malevolent, he deals some people fantastic lives and possibilities, and others a total shit storm. But I don't think that's the case. I like the watchmaker analogy, where God just took the watch, made it and fine tuned it, started it up, and walked away.
So maybe God is guiding us behind the scenes, maybe he isn't. But the fact stands that MOST people born in Africa, have it tougher than people who live in the US. Does that mean their lives are worse? Hardly.
The sum of your experiences dictates how you feel about certain things. Here in North America, we have almost unlimited fresh water that we can drink without end. But we don't really value that water, because it's just normal for us. But if you take a young, orphaned African boy who is dying of thirst, that one taste of water before he dies could be an experience far greater than any somebody from North America could understand.
I know it's easy for somebody with an easy life like me to just say: "Play with the hand you're dealt," but if you don't just accept your life and live through the hardships, you'll never get the chance to experience that one moment of success. It can come in many forms this success, but when it hits you, make sure you drink it up. It's as good as it may ever get.
I think that life just is, you are dealt what you're dealt, and you've got to make the most of it. Somebody could say that that makes God malevolent, he deals some people fantastic lives and possibilities, and others a total shit storm. But I don't think that's the case. I like the watchmaker analogy, where God just took the watch, made it and fine tuned it, started it up, and walked away.
So maybe God is guiding us behind the scenes, maybe he isn't. But the fact stands that MOST people born in Africa, have it tougher than people who live in the US. Does that mean their lives are worse? Hardly.
The sum of your experiences dictates how you feel about certain things. Here in North America, we have almost unlimited fresh water that we can drink without end. But we don't really value that water, because it's just normal for us. But if you take a young, orphaned African boy who is dying of thirst, that one taste of water before he dies could be an experience far greater than any somebody from North America could understand.
I know it's easy for somebody with an easy life like me to just say: "Play with the hand you're dealt," but if you don't just accept your life and live through the hardships, you'll never get the chance to experience that one moment of success. It can come in many forms this success, but when it hits you, make sure you drink it up. It's as good as it may ever get.
Sometimes I look at work and school and just think about what the point of it all is. I do all of that to get a job, to make money and to be happy. But shouldn't I instead spend the time working to be happy, being happy? If I like lazing about, shouldn't I just do that permanently. I would if I could, but the basic guidelines of the universe would make it a pretty damned hard thing to do. But regardless, I'm still going to d my bst t enjoy every step of the way.M0rp43vs said:
that's the thing, man, do you think maybe happieness is just a state of mind? maybe we only work towards it to get a sense of accomplshment. being happy may be as simple as thinking happy thoughts, you know, the evil eye theory.Somethingironic said:
At least we're the only animals that watch movies and play games so I think we're doing well for ourselves. Go humans!Larenxis said: