Meat eaters should have to kill for their food.
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If I had to kill all of my own meat, I too would probably be a vegetarian, just beacause travelling far enough out of the city to finda deer would probably be a bit of a hassle, and firing arrows or bullets at the ones in the front yard would likely result in a visit from the cops. however, I have, on occasion, killed fish, and other seafood that I then ate. It tasted delicios. I figure I will have to go hunting at least once in my life, but I'm still young.
Well, I already hunt deer for food and grow my own vegetables... but I can agree that the "industrialization" of meat is not very good.
Here is my argument.
I think that in some ways, meat IS manufactured. Cows and Chickens have been domesticated to the point where neither can even be called an animal anymore.
Any source of food that does not move, (as many meat cows do) does not think to any recognizable extent and is created, raised and killed for only the purpose of meat, should not have to be justified.
Also, I just want to say that I have no problem with doing this personally. I simply believe that we have a right to meat.
I think that in some ways, meat IS manufactured. Cows and Chickens have been domesticated to the point where neither can even be called an animal anymore.
Any source of food that does not move, (as many meat cows do) does not think to any recognizable extent and is created, raised and killed for only the purpose of meat, should not have to be justified.
Also, I just want to say that I have no problem with doing this personally. I simply believe that we have a right to meat.
I do believe in eating meat, but I don't believe that animals should die in vain. I hate people who kill animals just for the sport, it perplexes, why did that living creature need to die? You had nothing to gain from it. I still believe that man should have no shame in eating meat, all carnivorous and omnivorous animals do it, and that's what we are, it's only natural (plus it tastes really good). That said I don't believe that making every burger lover take aim at a cow so they can respect their deceased Big Mac is the right thing to do, the society we have build for our-self's is one of luxury and convenience, where the hunter-gatherer system of yesteryear is no longer existent. I think that people who do eat meat understand what they are eating and have made a reasoned decision to eat it. John Lennon said "If slaughter houses had glass walls then everyone would be a vegetarian". A statement that give the idea that if people realized what their porterhouse went though that they would not want to eat it. I'm not how true that statement is (if you look into slaughterhouses and see how many people who work there are vegetarian you will find out if it is) but I'm going to continue to eat meat and enjoy it, it is really the natural thing to do and there should be no shame in it.
if we all produced our own food, we'd be destroying a whole industry and getting rid of a lot of jobs, not gonna lie
Well thats easy, as I've mentioned in another thread I claim it as one of my manly men feats to able to catch / kill, skin, butcher and cook my own meat. Favourite being hunting rabbit with a compound bow and home made arrows. We also kill the occassional Wild Kangaroo when they get into my Uncles orchid on his farm up north.
I also grow my own veggies and fruit too for the record.
Do you follow your own logic OP ?
I'd be interested to know as I think more people should grow their own food.
I also grow my own veggies and fruit too for the record.
Do you follow your own logic OP ?
I'd be interested to know as I think more people should grow their own food.
The OP has a great idea. I don't mind killing a vegetarian if I have to to learn the value of my sandwich. Also, this:
As for vegetarians growing their own vegetables, I have to break a lance for the OP here. The issue is not "if you use it, make your own", but quite specifically "if you are willing to accept its death lightly, you should kill the thing with the capacity to feel pain yourself".
The OP assumes two things:
a) the capacity to feel pain (i.e. a brain) defines life
b) killing another living being will sensitize humans to the value of life
As I stated above, I don't entirely agere with premise b) here, but if b) is true, the OP's statement is true. If you believe that the instinct for self-preservation eventually wins out over socialization, prompting people to rather kill than not eat meat (as I would), it would indeed backfire horribly.
The OP assumes two things:
a) the capacity to feel pain (i.e. a brain) defines life
b) killing another living being will sensitize humans to the value of life
As I stated above, I don't entirely agere with premise b) here, but if b) is true, the OP's statement is true. If you believe that the instinct for self-preservation eventually wins out over socialization, prompting people to rather kill than not eat meat (as I would), it would indeed backfire horribly.
Sure, I'll kill a cow if you want me to. Just bring one to my house, hand me the gun, then clean up the mess when I'm done...
Seriously, I highly doubt anyone who eats animals would have a problem killing animals. It's just inconvenient. So your argument seems more like "meat eaters should pointlessly inconvenience themselves because I want them to."
So, the target of your argument, this crowd of imaginary meat-eaters who say they do it because they're omnivores, but are afraid to kill animals themselves and would rather just shy away from the subject of where their steak came from? It's a crowd of straw men.
Seriously, I highly doubt anyone who eats animals would have a problem killing animals. It's just inconvenient. So your argument seems more like "meat eaters should pointlessly inconvenience themselves because I want them to."
So, the target of your argument, this crowd of imaginary meat-eaters who say they do it because they're omnivores, but are afraid to kill animals themselves and would rather just shy away from the subject of where their steak came from? It's a crowd of straw men.
I've built several in minecraft...does that count?Necromancer Jim said:
Ooo! I did that once, it died six months later after the processor finally died from heat damage due to me not installing it properly.
Does Spore count, or maybe several failed sessions of Sim City?
OT: I agree with the OP in the sense that I think everyone should at least have the basic knowledge for killing and preparing your own meat. Not because of some "You should see what you're doing to these poor animals" ideal but because it's something that could come in handy when civilization hits yon proverbial fan.
Having both grown my own vegetables and killed my own meat within my lifetime (and helped build a few houses, and rebuilt a bunch of cars, and sewed at least one outfit...), I support the sentiments on both sides of this thread. Anything you depend on to live, you should figure out how to do yourself, at least the rudiments of it.
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OP: I'm ok with this, gimme a gun and point me to the nearest deer, I need to make hot sticks for the party tomorrow, Sorry Bambi you're gonna lose a daddy.
I've already caught and cooked fish, I have grown my own veggies.
I've already caught and cooked fish, I have grown my own veggies.
