Meet the New Bat-Guys
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After I watched The Dark Knight, I was of the opinion that both Catwoman and Black Mask would be appearing in the inevitable third film. I was half right. I think that Catwoman is a perfect fit for the third film. The love of his life is dead and he is being hunted down by the good citizens of Gotham; enter a sexy woman with questionable morals and experience living on the wrong side of the law. She can be both a lover and a mentor. The previous two Batman films have focused pretty heavily upon the criminal underworld of Gotham City and its new leader emerges, the anti-Batman Bane. It all sounds pretty workable to me. Nolan will just ignore or re-work the more unrealistic components of Bane like the venom compound. I think this might be the first superhero series to produce a great third film. Personally, I can't wait.
I've been figuring Catwoman since in the Dark Knight when Bruce Wayne was talking to Mr. Fox and asked if the armor was also "cat proof" after it being improved post-dog attack.
Fair enough man. I actually like the idea of Bane being a type of competitor to Wayne Industries. Throw in some illegal drug smuggeling and usage and you got yourself a pretty decent villain. Though, I suppose that people keep suggesting Bane be a mob boss only cause it wouldn't require a HUGE amount of mental talent to operate a gang, seeing as Bane isn't necessarily associated with a high IQ. I guess it bascially breaks down into just how smart Nolan decides to make Bane. Corporate head-honcho, mob boss extraordinaire, or maybe somewhere in between?GothmogII said:
Bane is one of the more realistic batman villains actually, he's a dude on some really hardcore drugs, nothing that couldn't be done, have you seen some of those 'roid jacking walking mountains around?
Personally I'd of liked to have seen a take on the Riddler, it could have been done really well, serial killers will often taunt the police, however it would be too much like the Joker in the Dark Knight.
Catwoman... err... to be honest I'm very sceptical about that character, sure the leather suit on hot woman is cool, but I've never liked the character, not in the comics, not in the TV show, not in the first run of movies in the 90s, and the catwoman movie... ugg... I'm too busy repressing that sack of crap. So I'll reserve judgement for now.
Personally I'd of liked to have seen a take on the Riddler, it could have been done really well, serial killers will often taunt the police, however it would be too much like the Joker in the Dark Knight.
Catwoman... err... to be honest I'm very sceptical about that character, sure the leather suit on hot woman is cool, but I've never liked the character, not in the comics, not in the TV show, not in the first run of movies in the 90s, and the catwoman movie... ugg... I'm too busy repressing that sack of crap. So I'll reserve judgement for now.
The problem with The Riddler would be that he's a little too much like The Joker. They'd have similar methods and motivations to beat down on Batman. If they included him everyone would complain that he just rehashed the second movie. A lot would just see him as a weaker Joker character... It wouldn't work.SilverUchiha said:
That's why he's probably shy'd away from him. To be honest, I'm happy with the Bane choice, the character has suffered a great deal in his portrayal and it would be nice for that to be set right with the new movie. Though I imagine they'll be more than just Bane and Catwoman here.
Did Chris Nolan really stop Bruce Wayne from being in Smallville? (If true) thats upsetting. If the bat embargo is only enforced by this guy I'm hoping he leaves Batman never to return after the next movie.
I agree mostly with what you say about Catwoman, but she is a vigilante in the comics now. But I do disagree about Bane. His interpretation in Batman Forever is, at best, an abomination, but Nolan said a fresh interpretation. I can see Bane being a realistic character kicking 5 kinds of shit out of a batman that kinda needs a beatdown. I'm not saying he needs venom being pumped into his brain via plastic tubes, but a genius intellect, steroids and an ability to fight could work. In the end we will hate it for not topping the Dark Knight, but so I will be satisfied I will compare it to the 90's and be happy once more
Gotta admit, I was surprised to hear about Bane being the big bad guy of the third film, after Riddler was shot down (and no Mr Freeze or Poison Ivy in supa serious Nolan-verse) I was thinking it'd be Hugo Strange or maybe Penguin (though a very different on from the Danny DeVito Penguin of Batman Returns), but Bane? Gotta wait and see I guess.
Your whole intro had me a little confused.
It's not like all of those things came as a shock, Nolan's made it perfectly clear how he wanted to do Batman (i.e. fairly realistically).
"but don't be surprised if it's found to be too "hard" for a PG-13 summer movie."
A prostitute is too much for a PG-13 or a 12, yet stitching a bomb inside a man, burning half of a guy's face off, beating the shit out of someone in an interrogation, threatening to shoot a child, having two guys fight each other to the death with pool cues (admittedly off screen), and cutting someone's mouth open with a knife are all just dandy?
Unless they hate sex that much in America, I don't really see that being too much of an issue. And you can always imply rather than outright state it.
"His recurring theme tends to be no-nonsense masculine professionalism undone by chaotic feminine influence (see: Inception)."
Only the feminine influence is inside Cobb's head and something he's forcibly tried to recreate, so I don't think that holds true - especially since Ariadne is the one who helps him through it.
It's not like all of those things came as a shock, Nolan's made it perfectly clear how he wanted to do Batman (i.e. fairly realistically).
"but don't be surprised if it's found to be too "hard" for a PG-13 summer movie."
A prostitute is too much for a PG-13 or a 12, yet stitching a bomb inside a man, burning half of a guy's face off, beating the shit out of someone in an interrogation, threatening to shoot a child, having two guys fight each other to the death with pool cues (admittedly off screen), and cutting someone's mouth open with a knife are all just dandy?
Unless they hate sex that much in America, I don't really see that being too much of an issue. And you can always imply rather than outright state it.
"His recurring theme tends to be no-nonsense masculine professionalism undone by chaotic feminine influence (see: Inception)."
Only the feminine influence is inside Cobb's head and something he's forcibly tried to recreate, so I don't think that holds true - especially since Ariadne is the one who helps him through it.
You do realise that not everyone thinks Nolan is some sort of directorial genius, right?solidstatemind said:
Begins was boring. TDK was good but overrated. Nolan can't direct a fight scene for shit and his track record with female characters gives plenty cause for concern.
Bane is not as bad as Bob makes him out to be. He's actually a decent character in the secret six series, and when he broke batmans back, he didn't just "get lucky". Sadly most people remember the mumbling brute from the movie, which was quite insulting to the character.
Hey, Bob!MovieBob said:
True, at first the choices seem very strange. But Nolan seems to be interested in showing the various sides of evil: Bane is the muscle guy charging through walls while Catwoman is a clever thief. It's the Joker's personality divided and both sides driven to an extreme.
Also, noone in Nolan's Batman movies ever referred to the Joker ot Two-Face by their comic book names so simply referring to Catwoman as Selina should be fine.
I'm pretty sure Joker was only called "Joker" in The Dark Knight. Also, there was passing reference to the Two-Face name, albeit made by Dent himself, though he said he got called that alot down at the station.Xerosch said:
Yeah, because that logic worked before, hasn't it?MovieBob said:
(Yes; I hate that costume from Batman Returns.)
Then again, I'd be a hypocrite if the film version used the magnificent Adam Hughes's design for the costume:
Edit: Am I the only one who finds Anne Hathaway to be too girly for the role? I mean, I'll just think she's a tween dressing up for Halloween.
Edit, Part 2: Then again, Heath Ledger surprised a lot of people, including myself, because everything involving Christopher Nolan is automatically golden.
Bane is not my personal choice, but its certainly one I can get behind with ease. There are some factors people are missing with Bane and that is of connections. Its been announced that two people have been cast for roles in this film. That is honestly not to indicate their level of involvement. Bane has two major connections for other people who could easily be tied in. Hugo strange (as the one who first gave Bane Venom) and Azrael. Theres nothing in stone that these two chars are going to be the whole of the film.
Given the title what seems to be most likely to occur is Bane breaks batman fairly early on by Bane. In Batmans absence Gotham goes wild, Leading Batman to be forced to either just let it all go to hell or to pass the mantle to Azrael. Azrael starts becoming unstable and Bruce realizes he made a mistake and somehow overcomes his injury and has to take down his doppleganger in the process. Forcing a conflict of two batmans trying to take down the same evil presence most likely Bane again, but in highly conflicted ways with Az wanting to kill Bane and Bruce determined to stop him from doing so. Bruce wins resulting in the fight between Bruce and Az to determine who keeps the cowl. Ending on the positive note that Batman has now overcame many levels of adversity and would be able to face just about anything as he is stronger for his exp and somewhat forgiven for his "criminalization" in TDK. Basically denoting "the rest as they say, is history" to Nolans time with the story.
Then they give the reigns over to some other director to re-re-reboot the film franchise, who in turn follows up with the pre-batman begins Idea from warner brothers that was shelved and creates the Batman Beyond films!!!. (ok that last part is not going to happen)
Honestly though, What I dont get is as much clamor there is for "why wasnt it the riddler" Sure the riddler is up there in batmans history and notoriety but honestly the riddler always has and basically always will suck as a char. Hes annoying and gimmicky as hell, as much so if not more than catwoman. The only way I think the riddler should have been involved was via Hush, which that I would approve of greatly.
Regardless of how it plays out, I do in fact trust Nolan in this. I think he has made a good decision in Bane and a hot decision in Selena Kyle. (though for some reason I cant help but to think she would have been better suited for Poison Ivy.)
Given the title what seems to be most likely to occur is Bane breaks batman fairly early on by Bane. In Batmans absence Gotham goes wild, Leading Batman to be forced to either just let it all go to hell or to pass the mantle to Azrael. Azrael starts becoming unstable and Bruce realizes he made a mistake and somehow overcomes his injury and has to take down his doppleganger in the process. Forcing a conflict of two batmans trying to take down the same evil presence most likely Bane again, but in highly conflicted ways with Az wanting to kill Bane and Bruce determined to stop him from doing so. Bruce wins resulting in the fight between Bruce and Az to determine who keeps the cowl. Ending on the positive note that Batman has now overcame many levels of adversity and would be able to face just about anything as he is stronger for his exp and somewhat forgiven for his "criminalization" in TDK. Basically denoting "the rest as they say, is history" to Nolans time with the story.
Then they give the reigns over to some other director to re-re-reboot the film franchise, who in turn follows up with the pre-batman begins Idea from warner brothers that was shelved and creates the Batman Beyond films!!!. (ok that last part is not going to happen)
Honestly though, What I dont get is as much clamor there is for "why wasnt it the riddler" Sure the riddler is up there in batmans history and notoriety but honestly the riddler always has and basically always will suck as a char. Hes annoying and gimmicky as hell, as much so if not more than catwoman. The only way I think the riddler should have been involved was via Hush, which that I would approve of greatly.
Regardless of how it plays out, I do in fact trust Nolan in this. I think he has made a good decision in Bane and a hot decision in Selena Kyle. (though for some reason I cant help but to think she would have been better suited for Poison Ivy.)