The Lunatic said:
Lil devils x said:
You provide shelter according to the problem. The shelter I volunteer at here is surrounded by barbed wire and electric fence to keep the men out that are trying to kill the women in there. It has armed police officers that guard it and these things are necessary to keep the women alive. EVEN with these precautions, a victim inside was almost kidnapped by the man who she was hiding from, and they will go to extreme lengths to get to them, even paying other women to attempt to infiltrate the shelters. Sometimes even these shlters are not enough and we have to move them to " safe houses" where they cannot even be traced by police to keep them safe, as some of the men actually have access to police records..
You have to know who the perpetrator is and what they are capable of in order to provide an adequate facility to protect the victims. You cannot provide an adequate facility unless you know what will be needed to be able to protect them. The resources that are required to protect the victims depend on who the perpetrator is.
Are you seriously suggesting that a fairly sizeable number of men don't have issues with being subject to crime and having no choices but to go homeless?
You do realise the vast majority of homeless people are men.
The vast majority of victims of violent crime, are men.
So, I have no idea where you're getting the idea there isn't a serious need for safe spaces that men can go to.
You're turning this into "Men vs Women", when in reality it's victims against abusers, and you're saying that some victims aren't worth being protected on the basis of gender.
That just seems an incredibly worrying mindset to take.
homeless shelter =\= safe house. They are not the same thing and cannot be treated the same way.
The vast majority of those committing the violence against men AND women ARE men. It is much easier putting women into a battered women's shelter to keep them protected because they do not allow men in there. It is much more difficult to protect men from men when men are allowed into the shelter. OF course we want to protect both men and women but we have to treat it according to problem, there isn't a blanket answer for this since it isn't a blanket problem. They have been putting men accompanied by their children in hotels ( better accommodations than the women receive) due to the issues with the men that are at the shelter, whereas the women and children are kept together with other women and children in very crowded shelters sleeping in the same bed with their children.
This may help you:
Females made up 70% of victims killed by an intimate partner in 2007, a proportion
that has changed very little since 1993.
? Females were killed by intimate partners at twice the rate of males. In 2007 the rate of
intimate partner homicide for females was 1.07 per 100,000 female residents compared
to 0.47 per 100,000 male residents.
? Females are generally murdered by people they know. In 64% of female homicide
cases in 2007, females were killed by a family member or intimate partner. In 2007,
24% of female homicide victims were killed by a spouse or ex-spouse; 21% were killed
by a boyfriend or girlfriend; and 19% by another family member.
http://www.bjs.gov/content/pub/pdf/fvv.pdf
"Homeless families comprise roughly 34% of the total U.S. homeless population"
"Among all homeless women, 60% have children under age 18, but only 65% of them live with at least one of their children.
Among all homeless men, 41% have children under age 18, but only 7% live with at least one of their children.
84% of families experiencing homelessness are female-headed. This is due to a number of factors:
Most single-parent families are female-headed (71%). Single-parent families are among the poorest in the nation and as such, are extremely vulnerable to homelessness
Many family shelters do not accept men into their programs, causing families to separate when they become homeless.
Over 92% of homeless mothers have experienced severe physical and/or sexual abuse during their lifetime
63% report that this abuse was perpetrated by an intimate partner"
Over 85% of homeless families are headed by women - specifically, by single women with children - and domestic violence is a principal cause homelessness among single mother families.
1 of every 4 homeless women is homeless because of violence committed against her
Inadequate housing and shelter options, evictions, discrimination, poverty, and other factors contribute to the crisis of homelessness caused by family violence. Furthermore, many women remain in an abusive relationship because of these barriers."
http://www.greendoors.org/facts/family-homelessness.php
"Up to 100 million people are homeless throughout the world, the majority of them women and dependent children."
http://www.shelter20.com/homeless-statistics/
"95% of domestic violence is reported by women ? perpetrated against by their male partner.
When men are battered it is typically by their male intimate partner ? battering occurs in gay and lesbian relationships at the same rate as heterosexual relationships ? approximately 35%.
80% of all violent crimes committed outside the home are committed by males."
"Domestic Violence is the single greatest cause of injury to women."
http://www.dvipiowa.org/myths-facts-about-domestic-violence/
Now the issue is a matter of supply and demand. Demand is not just determined by " this person needs a place to stay", it is determined by "this person will likely die if turned away." Many Men and women and families are turned away from shelters every day, as there are not enough to meet demand. They instead have to take people on " needs" basis. Children are first considered, those in life threatening situations, then everyone else. The issue is the majority of the children are with their mothers, and there are more women whose lives are in need of protection from their partner. They cannot house the battered men in the same shelter with the battered women as they share the same bedrooms, beds and shower spaces at the same time, and ALSO share these things with their children, and many of the families in there are traumatized and recovering physically and mentally from the extreme violence against them.
Now There IS a shortage of services and shelters for men, but there are ALSO a shortage of services and shelters for women as well still, even with what they have provided thus far, they still come up very short and people are still being killed due to this when they could have been rescued. I am in no way saying men should not have services as well, I am stating the resources needed are not equivalent. you would not allocate the same amount of funding and manpower to both due to them both having different actual needs and risks. Basically the money runs out before even helping all of the women who are at risk of being murdered before even getting to the women who are not, so by the time they get to the guys there is a mile long line ahead of them before they get to be helped. They desperately need more resources to properly address this issue. They do not build father and child shelters for the 7% of men who are with their children, instead they put those in hotels/ motels because it is more efficient to do so. The single men are sent the homeless shelters where they get to take their chances with the rest in line there, and no those are not nice places, but neither are the homeless shelters for single women. They are quite scary as well.