CriticKitten said:
Pssst, actually they're all posting losses.
But Sony and Microsoft aren't exclusively gaming businesses, and can more easily hide their net losses in the gaming industry. I believe Sony uses the term "Entertainment Division" or something like that? But yeah, they're all losing money. Nintendo is just the easiest one to see it in, because they are a gaming company rather than a company that chooses to produce games.
Ok now you're just talking out of your ass. Sony has seen profits dip this year, MS recently reported profits going up due to the 360 sales being the biggest of the 3 consoles, hell there was an article about it on this very site. Nintendo is the only company of the Big 3 the lost money this fiscal year.
Except that if you were playing the game with friends, you'd need extra controllers ($40 per unit) and other accessories to go with them, like nun-chuks ($20) and so on.
There's a reason that these accessories are not only packaged with the games, but also sold separately, bro.
With the amount of Wiis that sold people just brought over their controllers when they went to play Wii games at a friend's or such. It's a large generalization to just assume that everyone who owns a Wii wasn't bring enough to figure that out, gamers have been bringing over their controllers to play at friends' places for a while now. Especially with the Wii-Mote coming in 2 separate parts.
I'm assuming you don't own a Wii, because most folks who own one could quickly tell you that the accessories are the majority of their expenses.
Ah Ah Ah, there's that word, "assume", it'll be the folly to your next point.
For someone like you, who either PC-games or plays on a 360/PS3, you have online multiplayer to enjoy, meaning you don't have to get your friends to come over to play games.
Truth is I did own a Wii at launch. Sold it after 10 months due to a lack of interesting games (a problem that was hilariously tagged on the PS3). Never spent a dime on peripherals. A buddy of mine bought his Wii and waited for Monster Hunter tri to come out. Beat it and got bored. Now it sits in his closet. Another friend of mine who actually is a casual gamer bought a Wii simply to play 2 games. Smash Bros Brawl and Legend of Zelda. Hasn't touched it since. Now it sits in a box in his closet. Likewise for my friend who waited on MH:tri. Hell, a third friend of mine bought the Wii for Smash Bros and now his little sister uses it to play games like Cooking Mama. The point is your factless argument about peripherals has no base. Most core gamers lost interest in out Wiis before any peripherals came out. And when they did, we didn't care. Franky, the Wii Fit board was too expensive to be worth it and the Wii plus should have been put into the damn console in the first place. And we all live close to each other and had Wiis so we didn't need to buy extra controllers. That and Gamecube controllers work on the Wii so I highly doubt that peripherals are the biggest expense for most Wii owners. And if it is, then that means that there really isn't that many games on the Wii that got people's attention, which kind of proves my point about the lack of 3rd party support. but go ahead and keep feeding the fire.
And even if you did, they usually own the console (keeping in mind each console sold is a net loss for Microsoft/Sony)
Correction, WAS sold at a loss. The 360 became profitable in 2008, the PS3 in 2010. Again both announcements had articles on this very site.
But Nintendo has a shitty internet system, meaning living-room local multiplayer makes up most of the "party" aspect. And to do that, you either need other people to buy the console and bring their controllers over (meaning Nintendo makes money for all the extra consoles) or more likely, you buy your own controllers-and-accessories so that you can play with friends on a whim (meaning Nintendo makes money on those).
Ok this is getting silly, now you're just assuming that people are pissing money at Nintendo just so they can play games with each other. Now you're forgetting two things here. Even the Wii didn't have THAT many local multiplayer games that were worth spending as much as you claim on controllers.
1.There was Smash Bros, Mario Kart and Mario Party 9. Not much else was worth playing with friends.
2.The PS3/360 actually had a ton of local multiplayer games to play. Most fighting games are played local so there's Tekken, Street Fighter, Soul Calibur, BlazeBlue, and plenty of HD remakes of old fighters to occupy that racket. Hell, a LOT of people play COD local at parties. Even with having much better online than the Wii, the PS3/360 have a lot of games that people play together. Hell, you can LAN on the damn 360 and PS3. Gotta buy an adapter for that to be capable on the Wii. Hell, this even uses your ass backwards logic of Nintendo raking in cash on controllers against you, seeing as how according to your logic people must have thrown assloads of cash at Sony and MS for controllers to play games with friends in the same room.
Firstly: do you understand what "posting losses" means? It's not what you apparently think it does, nor is it as meaningful as you suggest. Companies post losses on a rather regular basis without going under.
The fact that people used to say that Nintendo was "printing money" with the Wii up until that announcement is a pretty big statement my friend. And posting losses mean, THEY ARE LOSING MONEY. And to be losing money while winning the console wars is pretty messed up. Yes lots of companies post losses without going under, difference is, they recover and change strategies. Nintendo is keeping the same strategy and it will hurt them more. Hell, they've already announced that the 3DS will be their last 3D console for a long time (again article on this site). This pretty much means they've lost faith on their primary handheld at the moment.That's HUGE for Nintendo, the king of handhelds. But instead of getting better games on the console Nintendo sells people a new bigger version thinking that people will buy it... Instead of showing ANY interesting games on the WiiU at E3, they show sequels with the letter 'U' in front of them. Yay...
Secondly: This is the first year Nintendo has posted losses since the company started posting records in 1981. If you think it's indicative of anything beyond the fact that their console is now ten years old and less people want it now, then you're seriously confused about how markets work.
It's more than just the Wii being 10......wait what? The Wii has only been out 6 years, where the hell did you get 10? Like I was saying though, its more than just the Wii being 6 years old. It has to do with the fact that a year after they release the next generation of handheld, it flopped until they cut the price of it by 30% within 6 months of launch. It has to do with the fact that besides Skyward Sword NOTHING on the Wii has garner ANY interest in the last year of Wii releases. It has to do with the fact that the WiiU is supposedly coming out this holiday season with, no release price, no release date, it being past E3, the fact that most of its titles thus far will be released on other console leaving little incentive to buy it right off the bat, and the fact that no one at all is excited for the Wii U on the grand scale. It doesn't have the fervor of want that the Wii had and that you can't deny.[/quote]
Let's talk again when the Wii U is out. If they're still posting losses, maybe we can talk then, mkay? :3
Oh will do, and hopefully your not too shocked when it doesn't fly off the shelves like the Wii did.
Psst. You've got it backwards.
Third party developers are other companies developing games for Nintendo's console, and they cost Nintendo money to distribute and whatnot.
Nope, Extra Credits covered this one. The packaging and distrubution companies get a cut of game sale.
First party games (which make up the majority of the Nintendo Wii's games) are games made BY Nintendo, which means they don't have to pay the developer much of anything since they are the developer.
Wrong again chum. 1st party games are NOT by a long shot what makes up most of the Wii's library. They're just what sell the most due to how Nintendo markets.
It means they get a larger cut of the profits than they would with a third party game. So yes, my statement is still completely accurate.
Nope, but we'll move on.
Also, you're wrong.
Sega is publishing a Gearbox game for the Wii U. Obviously they aren't as vehemently against the console as you claim if they're willing to put their name onto games for it.
So a port is you big defense for that point? A port that will come out on every other console? Let me be a bit more specific with Sega and Capcom's view of making core games for Nintendo consoles. They won't be making any
exclusive core games for Nintendo anymore.
Everyone's stocks dropped, because it was a shitty E3. Also, stocks drop all the time. You're reading way too much into it.
This debate is getting laugh worthy now. The stock drop I'm referring to happened last year after E3. 2 days after the WiiU was revealed Nintendo stocks dropped 10%, now I don't know if you have no clue about how stocks work but 10% is a massive fucking drop to happen in 2 days. People were scared when Square Enix's stock dropped 2% 2 years ago. 10% after the announcement of your next console is embarrassing.
Psst, you're ignoring facts to suit your narrative again. Do you work for Fox by any chance?
You've brought up no fact at all though, in fact I've had to correct you on a few things. Hell if I work for Fox you must work for MSNBC.
Also, the Wii U is on spec with the 360 and PS3, and the Wii U's internal hardware is built to resemble a computer more closely, so the port problem is essentially removed.
Until the following year when the other 2 console come out...
Again, wrong. Microsoft and Sony are both losing money, but since it's only a portion of what they do (usually labeled "Entertainment division" or similarly), the company as a whole doesn't post losses. >_>
Logical fallacy. MS would have reported 360 losses under Microsoft their entertainment division, likewise with Sony. You can't just hide losses dummy that's called fraud, look up Enron.
Sorry, I had to add that since it seemed like you were implying that the console whose overall sales STILL lead the market to this day was somehow still a flop.
Simple, 3rd party developers haven't backed the Wii in a couple of years and even with Nintendo winning the console race, they still are losing money and investors. It's not that hard to comprehend.
Obviously some people liked the thing if Sony and Microsoft still haven't caught up to it.
Or perhaps it could be that the Wii was always miles CHEAPER than the other two, which attracted casual gamers to it before they got bored with it.
I always hate this argument because it seems to basically rely on trusting your word: "Everyone I know has told me they don't play their Wii anymore, it's such a flop! I don't have hard evidence to back this assertion, just trust me, nobody plays their Wii any more!"
And meanwhile I'm kicking your crutch based argument out from under your feet. Funny how this is going/
You do realize that there are some big developers out there that produce games for the casual market, right? That developers like EA or Blizzard aren't the only types of developers, yes? Just want to make sure, because it seems you've forgotten that there's this whole other market out there, or at least are willing to ignore its obvious impact despite how well the Wii made use of it.
You do realize that most big companies that do invest in casual games don't do so very well right? We get games like Just Dance 3 and Exercise games with Jillian Michaels. For crying out loud we even have a Wii game from Cold Stone Creamery, a game where you serve fucking ICE CREAM. Oh yeah, people are lining up to pay $50 to serve virtual ice cream. Meanwhile where casual games flourish is on the iPhone and Android markets. Making $50 casual games makes literally no sense when Angry Birds and games like it dominate the casual market better than Nintendo could ever fathom.
most consoles have a shelf life of around 5-6 years before the next iteration. The Wii U is coming out roughly at the time it SHOULD be.
And yet no one seems to care...
You are seriously being waaaaaaaaay to optimistic about the WiiU, and let me being this argument back to what originally ticked me off. You're harping on me for predicting the failure of the WiiU early, yet you're here writing novellas and how much profit Nintendo could have if the WiiU sells a LOT. Your predicting from the other side and judging those who think other with, pull your head out of your behind please sir.
