Microsoft Claims "Cloud" Will Quadruple Power of Xbox One

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Wolfram23 said:
Dumbest claim I've ever heard. WTF. Because my 2MB/s download rate is so superior to the 2GB/s available over the internal bus. DDR3 can move 15GB/s (XBone), GDDR5 can move 48GB/s (PS4)... a HDD can move a 100MB/s or so, depending on many factors. SSDs can be over 500MB/s.

So... how the hell does 2MB/s download rate give me tons of power? Every single part of a computer or next gen console can do vastly more than that.
It's because the processing is being done across the internet and you're getting the final result. It's just basic streaming technology at that point and if you can play Netflix then you won't like have too big of a problem.

This is functionally always online. You won't be able to play some games without that additional processing. Haha. It's a great idea to expand the console lifespan but it spits in the face of the consumer. Who knows though, cloud processing may become the way of the future. I'm just not going to support it.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Jeff Henshaw, the group manager of Xbox Incubation and Prototyping
Does he spend all day sitting on Xbones waiting for them to hatch? Maybe the Xbone is an alien conspiracy and they have facehuggers in them! Yet another reason to avoid buying one.

And this sounds like a blatant marketing lie wrapped up with the semi-admission that they are going to copy the SimCity method of fuck-uppery.
 

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Ok, so now microsoft has put so much lead into there foot that they are now working on there shins and calf?

We should give them some credit, it's easy to get a few things wrong but to get everything wrong is just amazing. Every new piece of information they release is just another bad idea ... somebody should really take the gun off them before they aim for the skull.
 

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You know, this *could* actually be true.

It most likely isn't and "DA CLOUD! DA CLOUD!" is like the holy grail of buzzwords, but it *could* actually be true. Sure, developing for a shared local and streamed integration of calculations would be an ffing nightmare and you'd scare away all but the most hardcore 3rd party developers, but still... in theory... possible.

If it was though, then why wouldn't you lead with this in your reveal? It'd be the single biggest defining thing about the system. It'd be similar to what OnLive does/tries to do... so why lead with "YOU CAN NOW WATCH TV WHILE YOU ORDER PIZZA!!!1!"?

*shrug*

Consoles are weird, man. I'm going to hug my pc case, it doesn't get the love it deserves really.
 

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Terrible idea. Jim was 100% correct when he said it's a console for the rich and privileged. Anyone who doesn't have a decent internet connection won't be able to play those games that exist in the cloud. The cloud will be good for MMO's and MMO's only. And who the fuck plays MMO's on a console? I want this console to crash and burn.

Lightknight said:
Microsoft Decoded: "Basically, we made the system weaker than expected so that we could push game developers to rely on our cloud processing capabilities to force always onto the users even though we know they don't want it."
Pretty much. My god, this console sounds worse by the minute.
 

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You know, what my console was really missing from the PC experience was the potential for desyncing in my games. Thanks MS for making that a reality. I hate it when my in game avatar is reacting to things as they are now rather than where they were 5 seconds ago.
 

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Andy Chalk said:
Tank207 said:
As I was reading that, all I could here in my mind was this.
I need to figure out how to embed music into my news posts.
I can see it now... white text scrolling on a black background while the music swells. Then at the end, instead of seeing the T-800 head surrounded by flames moving slowly towards us, it's the Xbox One... with it's Kinect staring into our souls.

/chills
 

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Reyold said:
Being "future-proof" is probably the only good thing about the Xbox One. The faster this thing dies, the better. Seriously, NO ONE, gamers or devs, should be touching this crap with a 10-foot pole. Instead, they should be smashing it to bits with said pole.
Considering you'd have to actually touch the console with the pole to smash it, I think it'd be better to just shoot them damn thing to pieces with an 18th century cannon.

As for the "developers shouldn't touch this crap", look at the facebook-comments to the article, with someone working as a developer stating flat-out that this isn't tempting to work with.
to be honest i've bashed the XbO enough already, frankly i feel sorry for microsoft
so this is my personal parting sentiment on the cloud issue.
 

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People just want consoles that can play games. They just want an easy, no bullshit, no internet system where you put in the game and the damn box plays the damn game. I don't want to be tethered to Microsoft's cloud. Does anyone?
This. Microsoft got the memo. They just don't care.

Flipping the nature of the producer / consumer relationship around so that you never actually own anything, and are bled dry for the entirety of your 'relationship' with them, are all they're concerned with. And it'll work. Because at the end of the day, most people, even after bitching and whining, will fall in line like good little cattle, and submit.

It's depressing.
 

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Great, so that means that the games are server reliant and useless without access or when the servers finally die.

They can now literally pull the plug on your back library.

Screw. That.
See, that's what I'm saying. I want to own my hardware. The cloud is such BS! If I pay money for this new XBOX, what am I really getting?
 

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I'm trying to figure this one out... and for once I can't entirely find fault with the bullshit sensationalist reporting aspect.

Maybe he's talking about server capacity? Or ancillary functions, like social media aspects? But actual shared processing over the internet? Good luck with that. Streaming, sure whatever. Shared processing is an entirely different matter though.
 

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Yeah... Three XbO's power available... through internet... This is just so stupid I don't know where to begin.

Cloud computation is usable in two ways: Either you have an the entire game running in the cloud, i.e. like gaikai, or you do heavy computation there, like on supercomputers trying to calculate quantum field dynamics. I doubt there are many gamers thrilled that MS is offering computational power for their physics simulations, so I think this essentially means that they are wanting to say they are announcing their own gaikai type service.

Then someone might ask "but can't you just use it as additional computational power for games?", the answer is a simple FUCK NO. Let me explain why.

First, let's look at "you can help load times":
Transfer rate from a mechanical harddrive to RAM: typically around 50-90 MB/s, depending on fragmentation. Transfer rate from an SSD to RAM: Typically 300-500 MB/s. 6x Blu-ray: 27 MB/s Transfer from internet (25Mbit line, this is rather high end for a lot of people) to RAM: 3 MB/s.
Latency: Typical hard drive: 1-10ms. typical SSD: 10-100 microsecs (0.001-0.10ms). Blu-ray: 10-100ms Internet: 10-100ms, assuming ideal conditions....

Now let's look at ram -> processor:
RAM generally has a latency at about n clock cycles, depending on the RAM. The PS4 GDDR5 RAM has about 50GB/s bandwidth. A 1GHz clocked processor will mean that it has n nanoseconds in latency. Basically, the absolute upper limit for RAM latency is 10ns, most likely it's only 2-3 cycles, if not just one. Let's compare 10 ns to 10 ms. That is a difference of a million times. This means quite simply that any "assisted computation" must be completed entirely on the cloud, to then be brought back to the console, and it will have to have used over 10 million clock cycles to go break even. What does this mean? This means that the assisted computation will have to handle a beast that requires millions upon millions of calculations before yielding usable results. This simply does not happen unless you are writing the most jacked up code in the world.

Well, there's one thing that it can do: host multiplayer. This is probably what this server park will end up doing as it is friggin worthless otherwise. So yay, their stupidity will give you proper online multiplayer again at least.

Quite simply put, this is the perfect example of "behind the desk genius" as we call it in Norway. Something that looks good on paper, but is UTTER BULLSHIT to do practically.

It would have been cool if I could have bought one to use it for my master thesis' computational part. I can't think of any other way to use it.
 

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So not only will you be unable to play used games, but forget picking up a new copy of that game from last summer you've had on your backlog, because the cloud servers will be down for it already.

I think I love my PC and 3DS enough for this generation. Maybe if the WiiU dazzles with its catalog next year or the PS4 drops from its inevitable $800 price tag I'll pick one up, but I'm good here.
 

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What do you do when your console isn't as powerful as your competitor's and your online system angers people?
Claim it's more powerful because of that system!

"Frankly a lot of people have said 'hey, stuff looks pretty cool on Xbox 360 - do we need more power?" he told OXM. "Is my TV going to be powerful enough?'
Either Microsoft thinks they can appeal to idiots, or they must actually be working with idiots.
 

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I swear to god, Game Developers have to be the biggest fertilizer salesmen on this planet.
I can't think of any other industry, not tobacco, not alcohol, not firearms and not stuffed animals, that produce this much Bullshit and expect their consumers to take it off their hands.

How stupid do these people think we are?
 

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Exterminas said:
I swear to god, Game Developers have to be the biggest fertilizer salesmen on this planet.
I can't think of any other industry, not tobacco, not alcohol, not firearms and not stuffed animals, that produce this much Bullshit and expect their consumers to take it off their hands.

How stupid do these people think we are?
Stupid enough to shut up, buy the consoles, games for it, and replace anything when the plug gets pulled.

To be fair, they're right.