Microsoft Drops Xbox One DRM Restrictions - UPDATED

SSJBlastoise

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lacktheknack said:
Can we not just have a one-thread siesta before we go right back to "no, screw you" or "now get rid of the Kinect"?
Wait, why are we having naps in a thread? I think you mean fiesta :p

OT: It's good to see the change in their stance and I'm now reconsidering my jump over to the PS4. I'll still wait for a few months to buy either though to hear reviews.

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Also, can someone answer this for me? Wasn't the PS3 more powerful than the 360 but in the end it barely meant anything? (I know this was most likely due to the internals being weird but I don't remember seeing much, if any, difference between multi-platform versions.
 

Ishigami

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I take this as good news.
I was just yesterday discussing with a friend that it was so stupid of MS to go all out on the XO and not have the system as a transition system that features the DRM for people that enjoy the digital advantages over the physical ones but still feature the physical copy protection for people that don't fancy DRM.

The Xbox 360 is a great example. I can install all my 360 games on the HDD and play them from the HDD. I just have to insert the disc into the tray so the 360 can check that I have the game.
No online DRM necessary.
The XO could have extended the system by offering additional to the system of the 360 that you could add the game to you shared library but then and only then you would have to go online to confirm that only one person is playing the game. Games on the shared library could as trade off then feature the virtual share feature as advertised by MS and you would not longer need the disc in the tray. Of course it must be possible to remove a game from the shared library and then it drops back to the 360 system again.
That way people could choose their system and since they could drop back to a system they know and used a long time I think they would have been less hostile to the DRM idea.

Anyway good for the people that complained about it.
I personally never really cared that much.
 

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RicoADF said:
dystopiaINC said:
yeah I'm miffed by that too. the biggest, coolest, most interesting feature this whole console generation is gone. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. god damn it this in not a victory this is a loss. god fucking dammit I hate the internet sometimes. it's shit like this that makes me ashamed to be called gamer it really does.

I knew it too, as soon as my friend told me why they changed I told him to mark my words and the cool sharing feature would be pulled. why? it's to easy to abuse with out the DRM. A feature like that can't exist with out some sort of system of checks to make sure it isn't abused. I thought that would be clear and understood. so much for my hope in the community. Fuck.
So having Microsoft being able to turn off their server thus bricking your system and being able to take all your games away is a nice thing...... we have very different views on what 'nice' is. That's a bonehead feature and the customers told that to MS with their wallets.
By the time any servers get shut down it would be years after the console has been significantly passed on by the next generation, and by then the DRM would not even be needed. if they can apparently take the whole thing offline before launch DRM included, then the could do so when they shut down severs. the feature that made the console look great was the ability to never need the disk again, share the game with people regardless of distance. and play my games on any xbox one console. I've had to many disks broken or lost by siblings, never returned when borrowed, or else get lost when moving to a new home. those feature were looking to be a game changer now it's a moot point since it was called off.
 

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Microsoft had nothing to gain from any of their "restrictive" policies. They did it because they honestly believed a digitalization of the market would make things better for consumers and developers alike, but they aren't making a dime.

They believed they could improve the market, but now that the consumers weren't interested in such improvements, they are basically saying; fine by me and stripping those policies away.

I don't doubt for a second that Sony had their own DRM prepared, but simply chose not to announce anything after watching the backlash Microsoft's has been receiving.

This entire situation is fucked up.
 

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Well done Microsoft, good to see we got through to them with our outrage.
It's nice that they are finally respecting/fearing us.
 

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Going back to MS right now is like a woman going back with her husband after he beat her bad only because he said he wouldn't do it anymore.

Sorry MS no sell. I know you say you won't fuck us over right now but I have a feeling you are going to relapse and try again in the next 3 years.
 

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dystopiaINC said:
By the time any servers get shut down it would be years after the console has been significantly passed on by the next generation, and by then the DRM would not even be needed. if they can apparently take the whole thing offline before launch DRM included, then the could do so when they shut down severs. the feature that made the console look great was the ability to never need the disk again, share the game with people regardless of distance. and play my games on any xbox one console. I've had to many disks broken or lost by siblings, never returned when borrowed, or else get lost when moving to a new home. those feature were looking to be a game changer now it's a moot point since it was called off.
It doesn't matter if it's the same day as the next xbox came out or much later, if it can be killed at all by servers being turned off then it's not good enough to me personally. I still have my first PSX games (V-Rally and Abes Odysee) and every game and console since, I also go back and play them at times. With the way MS had it before the XBone was literally useless to me as I refuse to waste money on games and consoles that can be stolen from me at any time like that. Also in another threat I posted:

"I understand where your coming from and your right that some of the features are quite interesting and had promise, however, their PR showed they have little regard for their consumer. It's not the idea that's bad, it's the execution both with PR and the console. If they have those features as options, so people that want to use them, I have no issues with it. Theres no reason the game can't go into an offline mode, they wanted to force always online onto us which is a no go. You don't 'force' your consumer to accept illegal (in many countries) practices by locking out fair trading of games except at 'certain retailers'. That's called a monopoly, and a breach in free commerce.
Honestly I wish they could have had the nice features without being dicks and with a simple 'offline mode' for the licence holder, I can understand the family members/friends needing to be online to prevent people abusing the system, but the person with the disc should have had a simple offline mode that's verified by the disc itself."

So it's not the features I have an issue with, it's how Microsoft had planned to execute them and shit on their consumers.

Extragorey said:
As many others have said, too late, Microsoft. You've shown your true colours, and none shall trust you ever again.
Well, of course someone will, but it won't be me.

RicoADF said:
dystopiaINC said:
yeah I'm miffed by that too. the biggest, coolest, most interesting feature this whole console generation is gone. THIS IS WHY WE CAN'T HAVE NICE THINGS. god damn it this in not a victory this is a loss. god fucking dammit I hate the internet sometimes. it's shit like this that makes me ashamed to be called gamer it really does.
So having Microsoft being able to turn off their server thus bricking your system and being able to take all your games away is a nice thing...... we have very different views on what 'nice' is. That's a bonehead feature and the customers told that to MS with their wallets.
I think this can apply to that guy's post:
I was wondering that, but to be fair some of the features offered were nice, just as stated above the execution was bad.
 

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Well, I said this in the facebook comments, but I'll repeat it here.

I call bulls--t! They are only saying this, and willing to do this initially, to get people to buy the console. Then they will slowly reintroduce all this garbage with future system updates. They have invested too much time in the ideas to just let them go.
 

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Well done Microsoft, you have now entered the console race. I can no longer point and laugh at your evil, mad scheming to controle THE WORLD!!! Now your more on par.... Kind of, you've been treating the gaming section of the 360 like crap all in the drive to be a topbox instead of a console while Sony have been hard at world on games like the last of us, journey and giving their psn plus costumers free games, you did what? Halo 4, another gears of war and ads coming out of the wazoo. I will not be changing my per-order for the ps4.
 

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Artlover said:
Well, I said this in the facebook comments, but I'll repeat it here.

I call bulls--t! They are only saying this, and willing to do this initially, to get people to buy the console. Then they will slowly reintroduce all this garbage with future system updates. They have invested too much time in the ideas to just let them go.
That's exactly what I'm worried about too. Though I think there would be legal repercussions for them if they did. Not that it would stop them.
 

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Was wondering how long they'd keep this up. So YAY for those who like the thing :) Now please ***** about the Kinect a bit more, so they drop that, too, along with the price, and then we'll maybe have REAL competition.

Disclaimer: Still not buying it, but it's getting more about the games. Which is a good thing.
 

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Yeah, I call bullshit. No corporation has ever "listened" to the consumer voice and obeyed without some kind of scheme waiting in the wings. They may never re-implement the DRM and online requirements but I guarantee you they've got something just as horrid sitting on a shelf, waiting to be used.
 

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Epicspoon said:
Artlover said:
Well, I said this in the facebook comments, but I'll repeat it here.

I call bulls--t! They are only saying this, and willing to do this initially, to get people to buy the console. Then they will slowly reintroduce all this garbage with future system updates. They have invested too much time in the ideas to just let them go.
That's exactly what I'm worried about too. Though I think there would be legal repercussions for them if they did. Not that it would stop them.
It would technically fall under "bait and switch" unless, of course, they had you agree to something that said, "we reserve the right to modify, change, and/or stop the service at any time for any reason... and you can't sue us, at all." Wait a sec, that sounds like MS' bullshit EULA... -.-
 

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Sarge034 said:
Epicspoon said:
Artlover said:
Well, I said this in the facebook comments, but I'll repeat it here.

I call bulls--t! They are only saying this, and willing to do this initially, to get people to buy the console. Then they will slowly reintroduce all this garbage with future system updates. They have invested too much time in the ideas to just let them go.
That's exactly what I'm worried about too. Though I think there would be legal repercussions for them if they did. Not that it would stop them.
It would technically fall under "bait and switch" unless, of course, they had you agree to something that said, "we reserve the right to modify, change, and/or stop the service at any time for any reason... and you can't sue us, at all." Wait a sec, that sounds like MS' bullshit EULA... -.-
Yup, was just thinking this.

If theirs a terms of service thing before you can start using the Xbone i really hope people read it and take the console back for a refund if they pull that crap.
 

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SSJBlastoise said:
lacktheknack said:
Can we not just have a one-thread siesta before we go right back to "no, screw you" or "now get rid of the Kinect"?
Wait, why are we having naps in a thread? I think you mean fiesta :p
EVERY DAY I'M HERP DERPING

Although at this point, I'd take either over what we have now.
 
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I love how the language in the press release is designed to give you the impression that they're surprised by how much people hate their awful proposition. Hilarious.

I don't trust 'em. I think they'll patch the features back in at a later date. I don't trust Sony either really. I have a feeling DRM will end up being a pain in the ass on both consoles.
 

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You know I feel they didn't change this because they listened, or cared at all about the fans. They don't want to do this. They just realised they HAD to for their bottom-line financials.

Besides, even if the console no longer has DRM inbuilt they will just make every single game use the cloud[DRM] anyway.
Same sh*t different packaging.

I have no faith in MS and won't be buying Xbone.
 

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CardinalPiggles said:
Arnoxthe1 said:
Besides, if you guys really have a problem with privacy, then put a bloody box over the Kinect FFS.
While this is some sort of solution, it's not a very good one.

What if you don't want one at all? Can you buy the console without it?

What if you don't have space to even put a Kinect, let alone use one.

What if you don't have a lot of money and don't want to pay extra for something almost completely fucking useless barring it's advanced voice recognition (which could be implemented into a headset microphone).

Captcha: Pea brain.

Now now Captcha, you don't want to feel the banhammer do you? That's rude.
Apparently not at this time. I didn't decide that though. Go talk to Microsoft.

C'mon. If you can find a place for your Xbox then you can find a place for the Kinect. And if you're not going to be using it then that gives you even more freedom on where to put it. How about sticking it behind your entertainment center? lol

Again, implying I'm supporting the Kinect. I'm not. What I am talking about is the privacy issue or should I say the actual absence of one.