Microsoft Prohibits Gamers From Cashing in on YouTube
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Expecting them to somehow "pull" enough people off Youtube to go to another service is like trying to collect dirt in the middle of monsoon season. Even if they had the drive to open up a competing service (seeing as most of their gaming/media ventures besides the Xbox are miserable failures), they would be trying to pull content from a service that uploads 60 hours of video every second.Tiamat666 said:
There's no way they're going to be able to enforce a statute like that. Even the heaviest copyright enforcers miss hundreds, if not thousands, of videos with copyrighted material. Any money they would have saved removing clips is going to go into maintaining a content/legal team to remove violations - what's the point?
If nothing else, this is only going to serve to make MS look like Rockstar Games, who are notoriously stringent regarding their material being placed online (to the point that anyone who posts material of their games in the first couple post-release days gets hit with copyright strikes).
That's trivializing it. There are fair use laws that can be applied to Youtube users who post playthroughs/LP's with their own commentary. Youtube has generally erred on the side of the consumer, and has pretty much destroyed most of the major content providers who've sued them.Tiger Sora said:
The only thing this will accomplish is making MS have pie on their faces.
This is incredibly short-sighted on Microsoft's part. They may have just put a massive dent into an area of YouTube that would serve as free advertising for Halo 4. There's plenty of other games to play, YouTube commentators will just go elsewhere.
Of course, how dickish this is towards YouTube partners goes without saying.
Of course, how dickish this is towards YouTube partners goes without saying.
If that was the case, companies like Machinima and Mahalo Games would have been shut down by Youtube long ago. As I said earlier, there are certain avenues you can use to get around that agreement, most notably if you're contributing commentary or posting an educational walkthrough. Youtube has generally looked the other way when it comes to these matters, and has given those companies leeway to get away with posting walkthroughs and release-day footage from just about every major developer, via their monetization program.RvLeshrac said:
You can bet if MS tries to shut down Machinima, gamers everywhere will go into histronics as a result. This is just the tip of the iceberg.
You'd be hard pressed to find someone making money to live on by doing gameplay montages. LPers with huge fan bases are the ones making the money not Ultra leet headshots 2012 (feat. Skrillex Bangarang).Tiger Sora said:
I'm sure they have 'real jobs' just like 'regular people'. Whatever that means.
Boycott! I call a boycott! (I haven't played a Halo game since 2 and haven't touched my 360 since I finished Fallout New Vegas and bought a PS3. This is going to be the easiest boycott ever.) Boycott!
The groups you're referring to aren't simply posting game videos and monetizing them. There is also no difference in presentation between a monetized or non-monetized video, so you have no idea which videos are making them money and which are not.crazyrabbits said:
Congratulations Microsoft, you just screwed over Let's Players who make a living by playing your games since. This is why I really don't like Microsoft at all anymore, they try to really snuff out anything that might not get them money. While it doesn't affect me as I don't monetize I'm gonna love seeing how they try to go after sites like Machinima or other sites that have partnerships with LPers and are under contract. In the end Microsoft will most likely suffer greatly for this.
Yes, they are. That's their entire business model - people who are brought on as Machinima partners are generally picked up because they have an established audience. Their videos are monetized according to a in-house algorithm that pays out both the company and the player. They've been doing this for several years, and are pretty much the biggest independent gaming company on Youtube. They get invited to exclusive events, get tons of pre-release footage, etc...it's all monetized.RvLeshrac said:
I'd bet you that if Machinima came out tomorrow with a video telling people not to buy Halo 4 because of Microsoft's stance, the entire MS legal team would be called up to their head office and yelled at. They are arguably responsible for a large part of the ongoing fandom of the series - threatening to sue anyone if they post gameplay footage would put a serious damper in their company, and there's no way they'd take that lying down.
Which is why I intentionally used channels that I knew were partnered so were making money off video game videos. I used those examples deliberately because the size of their subscriber base means they make a lot of money.RvLeshrac said:
This is idiotic! How do gamers making a few bucks off of these videos harm Microsoft in any way?
TB does get monetisation for his videos, in fact in a recent video he explicitly stated that his only source of regular income is the money coming in from his videos. And according to him its enough that he doesnt need to find a regular job.RvLeshrac said:
I am totally fine with this,
You can post videos you just can't make money from it. It's a little unfair to make money from someone else's IP in my opinion. Just because they are a big corporation doesn't mean they shouldn't have rights to their IP.
To me it's a fair compromise. People making these videos don't do it to advertise the games, they do it to share the game playing experience. In fact I would go out of my way NOT to watch a let's play series or multi-player matches made by someone just doing it for profit.
Better this than a blanket ban on all videos. It means hobby videos makers can still do what they love
You can post videos you just can't make money from it. It's a little unfair to make money from someone else's IP in my opinion. Just because they are a big corporation doesn't mean they shouldn't have rights to their IP.
To me it's a fair compromise. People making these videos don't do it to advertise the games, they do it to share the game playing experience. In fact I would go out of my way NOT to watch a let's play series or multi-player matches made by someone just doing it for profit.
Better this than a blanket ban on all videos. It means hobby videos makers can still do what they love
lollll here i was wondering why xbox are doing this and thenn......
IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.
Don't most people upload pc clips anyway..and what about PS3. Looks like its just gears of war and Halo that can't be uploaded...
IGN XBOX LIVE APP launch!! looks like they want people to stream clips via their closed in xbox live gold system.
Don't most people upload pc clips anyway..and what about PS3. Looks like its just gears of war and Halo that can't be uploaded...
http://uk.ign.com/articles/2012/10/09/ign-xbox-live-app-launches-in-uk?abthid=50744f3775e45b7d200001b0gigastar said:
I still don't think this is the driving force? Maybe a contributing factor with the Xbox dash having adverts on it?
When people talk about IGN and Halo i mostly think of the video game review? Not for community content?