Microsoft Prohibits Gamers From Cashing in on YouTube
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This is just insane. One of the big reasons Starcraft 2 boomed so big and so fast is that there was all these underground content makers from the Brood War days. The fact that these content makers can then monetize their effort provides additional advertising and hubs to recruit new people in (think Day9 Daily or HuskyStarcraft).
Microsoft is taking one big rocket launcher, aiming at their feet and blowing away their lower half to bits.
Microsoft is taking one big rocket launcher, aiming at their feet and blowing away their lower half to bits.
It doesn't make sense to us because we are rational human beings. However to most sociopaths running businesses they see it as money they arn't earning. They do not see the positives because there is no immediate tangible profit they can put on a chart.Storm Dragon said:
So... does this only affect Microsoft published games?
If so, that's of no issue to me or my PS3.
Still, it's a real silly decision by Mircrsoft. It could hurt some major gaming sites like Machinima.
If so, that's of no issue to me or my PS3.
Still, it's a real silly decision by Mircrsoft. It could hurt some major gaming sites like Machinima.
Considering what many of the professional gaming youtubers do and what their partnerships are like, what you said is like saying that actors and other entertainers don't have real jobs. What, so you have to hate what you do in order for it to be a real job. Entertaining is a job, it is giving something that people want, entertainment.Tiger Sora said:
Also considering that some of those gaming youtubers report gaming news and events just like the good people at the Escapist do, what you are saying is basically the people that work for the Escapist don't have real jobs.
Get some perspective.
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Microsoft shows it doesn't understand what free advertising is. If it wasn't for gaming youtubers and the Escapist, I wouldn't have heard about or bought half the games I've got in the past three years.
It is just like the stupidity that The Game Station on youtube can't show big name game trailers anymore on their podcasts because they get red flags and letters from the companies to stop. Sometimes I wonder if certain game companies even know what gets them sales. Considering the TGS podcast, when a company doesn't allow their trailer to be played during it, that means they lost out on tens of thousands of people finding out about their game. Oh, but I guess that is a rain drop in the bucket and it isn't worth it.
Its quite funny how many times the EULAs have been thrown out of court or completely ignored by courts... in fact we have laws that superceed the EULAs - they are essentially legally worthless now due to precedents set in courts around the world.AC10 said:
Actually, from what I have heard from some of the big name gaming youtubers, even mid-level names, it takes some time, but most within about 2 to 5 years start bringing in enough money each year with their videos that they've quit their day jobs.DugMachine said:
I know of at least a couple people from The Game Station on youtube that within the past six months or so quit their day jobs because they were making enough from their youtube channels.
They aren't actually changing anything...
From the mouth of Frank O'Connor:
"These guidelines have been out there for months. How many of you are posting from jail? We'll get some clarifying messaging out there, but the legalese won't change, because it's legalese. We'll craft a path through the semantic minefield, however.
As I mentioned in the Halo community thread, these rules actually haven't really changed, and even the updated and clarified text has been up there for months. I assume somebody just noticed this and posted this morning because it sort of blew up. This has always been the Legal status for the IP (and MOST IPs in fact), and as you also already know, nobody is being sued, or in jail, etc etc etc
The language isn't designed to stop kids streaming their games, or covering their costs, it's designed to stop big companies from using somebody else's IP to run a business.We'll put together some language that will help community people navigate this easily, and give people workarounds."
From the mouth of Frank O'Connor:
"These guidelines have been out there for months. How many of you are posting from jail? We'll get some clarifying messaging out there, but the legalese won't change, because it's legalese. We'll craft a path through the semantic minefield, however.
As I mentioned in the Halo community thread, these rules actually haven't really changed, and even the updated and clarified text has been up there for months. I assume somebody just noticed this and posted this morning because it sort of blew up. This has always been the Legal status for the IP (and MOST IPs in fact), and as you also already know, nobody is being sued, or in jail, etc etc etc
The language isn't designed to stop kids streaming their games, or covering their costs, it's designed to stop big companies from using somebody else's IP to run a business.We'll put together some language that will help community people navigate this easily, and give people workarounds."
What the fuck? Why are they ok with Youtube making money from it, but not the actual content producer? It's not like Microsoft is losing out on anything here.
Seriously, dude? Content creation is hard. And stressful. Just go watch any of TB's Mailboxes on the subject (I'm pretty sure he mentioned it on his AMA as well).Tiger Sora said:
But - but this rule gives MORE money to Google, since there isn't any going to the users!vxicepickxv said:
To quote the Pink Floyd song - Have a cigar.
"It's a helluva start, it could be made into a monster
if we all pull together as a team."
Seems what I said has turned into a monster.
People changing the intent of my words and such. Some panic to.
Now I totally agree it sucks and MS is being a big evil corporation again. But thats their nature. Evil is gona evil.
And I'm quite sure many of them do have a job. What I meant by my words was that you play video games and commentary, post it on youtube, and rake some cash in. Thus it's not hard, theres no grind day in day out. And for them it's just this fun thing on the side they do for profit.
The big guys who make off like bandits on this are the ones who are going to need to join the workforce, is what I meant.
As for it being a "not real job". As I said to the last guy. You play video game, add commentary on it or insert lines. Post, get advertisement money.
Not much past that in most cases.
And, they're not making the videos per say, merely editing the game footage / recording. Than putting audio to it. They didn't make the footage. So how can you compare it to people who do, like the ones that made the game in the first place.
If it was all original content I'd say yes, since it isn't no.
I know you can continue to degfent it six ways to Sunday. But you're just erecting a wall of bs to defend it.
Now I'd like to add in...
So don't respond to this 1337. I don't want you to, you'd be stealing the internets oxygen.
"It's a helluva start, it could be made into a monster
if we all pull together as a team."
Seems what I said has turned into a monster.
People changing the intent of my words and such. Some panic to.
Really, all the other "ohh god this is the end of the ('free') internet"crap thats gone on the last few years. And this is step one. Go put your tinfoil hat away.Altorin said:
And so what if it's trivializing it. This isn't a big issue. MS is in the right to set the rules with their games and if x person profiting off it is something that errs them...crazyrabbits said:
Now I totally agree it sucks and MS is being a big evil corporation again. But thats their nature. Evil is gona evil.
And the Ultra leet guy loses the small revenue stream and so his budged is a few bucks smaller.DugMachine said:
And I'm quite sure many of them do have a job. What I meant by my words was that you play video games and commentary, post it on youtube, and rake some cash in. Thus it's not hard, theres no grind day in day out. And for them it's just this fun thing on the side they do for profit.
The big guys who make off like bandits on this are the ones who are going to need to join the workforce, is what I meant.
Your saying I'm jealous sir, did I no, no I didn't.So one, don't put labels on me.1337mokro said:
As for it being a "not real job". As I said to the last guy. You play video game, add commentary on it or insert lines. Post, get advertisement money.
Not much past that in most cases.
And, they're not making the videos per say, merely editing the game footage / recording. Than putting audio to it. They didn't make the footage. So how can you compare it to people who do, like the ones that made the game in the first place.
If it was all original content I'd say yes, since it isn't no.
I know you can continue to degfent it six ways to Sunday. But you're just erecting a wall of bs to defend it.
Now I'd like to add in...
So don't respond to this 1337. I don't want you to, you'd be stealing the internets oxygen.
Fair enough. You can freely make videos of their intellectual property as long as you don't profit from it.
It affects more than Youtube. Youtube's partnership thing is specifically mentioned, but that doesn't mean it applies to just them.snagli said:
You'd be hard pressed to argue fair use applies here. Especially since you can still do this sort of thing, just not for money.AC10 said:
People treat fair use as a free ride, though it isn't considered to be such and was never intended to be such. If you would like to go to the mat with Microsoft, feel free, but unless your clips have satirical or review purposes, you'd have trouble arguing relevant fair use.
Additionally, there have been many rulings that allow fair use, but still require a group to pay money to the content holders if they use the content themselves. This is different from, say, a webcomic where you draw Master Chief yourself, put him in a Chef hat and call him Master Chef.
Fair Use is a wonderful thing. It's very likely, however, you're using it wrong.
Really? After such a concrete example as the RvB series showing how unbelievably good this can be your gonna strangle any new ones in their crib? Shame shame shame.
"He clearly is getting permission." "No you idiot they send him game so he obviously has their permission."gigastar said:
I sense a disconnect here.
OT: This effects me in absolutely no way as I never intended to make money off this, know nobody who does and those who might will still do it to get atention to their channels.
