Microsoft Xbox needs to die.

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

In other news PC elitists are the lowest form of humanity and should shut up

Oh your a cute little one aren't you? Did you Dad let you have a day out from under that bridge?

OT: If you don't like MS and want their next console to fail then try get everyone who agrees with you to actually stand for something and not buy their stuff. At least console wise if that is where you have a problem.

For some reason gamers find it hard to stick to their morals as consumers. I am aware games aren't the be all and end all but when we can't even organise a proper boycott where everyone sticks to it. I am talking about the steam group for MW 2 boycott despite being 1% of the boycott had appalling follow through.

 

[Bvenged]

LoL Console Gamers... They will never learn

Quoted for Truth, Thanks for reinforcing my argument, seriously Console Gamers? why you know move to Card Games... ???

Haha nice; my message there was simple enough. No platform is better than another. At any point hardware can become shot, due to lack of care, attention or luck; for PS3, Xbox or PC. We've all had PC problems, we've all heard about PS3 problems and we are all well aware of 360 problems.

...and we all know how crap the Wii is at being a doorstop; my door keeps pushing it along. Piece of crap's better as a paperweight.

EDIT: Hmm, interesting - I got put on probation for a low-content post... I don't get it though, I make a memebase LoL with my opinion on it and post it, and that's low content post? If anything that's good content!!

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Free? You really expect XBLive to be free? It costs a hell of a lot of money to run, you know.

This is the only bit I don't agree with in your argument. Microsoft makes a ridiculous amount of its revenue from XBL from what I can see. Take that from the recent CES press conference MS said they had 40mil subscribers to XBL now I forget if they specified Gold members so this is a bit of speculation so work with me. If even just 1/2 of those are Gold members that means over a 6 month period MS makes $50*20*10^6 = $ 1000 *10 ^6. Now given that over the 6 month period from last year to Dec 31st MS had a total revenue of around 40,000 * 10^6(rounded up) that is 1/40 of the total company's revenue from 1 service alone.

Now, 1/40 may not seem like a lot but when you take it that XBL income is more or less guaranteed compared to other aspects of the company. This was also taken from the 2nd half where sales would be higher.

What are you really getting from the £40? A P2P online gaming service, Sky channels(which you need to pay for else where), video chat, facebook, twitter, last fm and music from zune. If that is worth £40 a year to you and the other subscribers that is fine and I've no problem with that. However, MS is hardly reaching into the depths of their pockets to provide this service. I mean nothing on that list does not have a free easy to use alternative already out there existing in the market place and I'd be willing to accept the price more on one condition.

If MS splashed out on some self run official dedicated servers for some of the games then I could maybe get behind the price. Other than that in my own opinion from what I have experienced of XBL the price tag is not worth it just for the online gaming service that I experience. For me no dedis is a deal breaker. Unfortunately they have no caught on yet on the 360 and there are only a few examples of games that have bothered to include them which is very sad.

Not part of the argument.

I forgot to mention that in my last post that a lot of 360 problems are sorted by just taking care of your console. I got 1 at launch and it managed to last me until the slim came out and I kept it well ventilated and not sitting on the floor picking up dust and I also have tiles so no crap from the carpet either.

 

[MiloP]

Xbox LIVE costs money because Microsoft like money and we keep giving them money. Simple as.

It's not a scam. It's just good business. If you really care, stop arguing and start boycotting.

 

[KingsGambit_v1legacy]

Next gen microsoft NEEDS to lose the race because they are literally keeping gaming in the dark ages with their selfish tactics. In a perfect world everyone would buy games only for the pc so developers / consumers can enjoy freedom and the biggest hurdle for developers would not be the money to make the games, but only their creativity.

What is there to defend about the 360 other then brand loyalty?

I wouldn't defend the console based on the brand. I'm sorry for your experiences which are far worse than mine considering how much more persistent you've been. I couldn't go through 4 hardware changes. I had one go red ring, replaced it with the Forza 3 special ed. with 250gb hdd a couple of years back and it's been fine since then. It's down to which chipset you have...any console in the last two/three years shouldn't suffer from the rrod issues.

I had my live account hacked. I had £140 of charges made against my credit card which was spent on games and what have you. I phoned and phoned and phoned and after an investigation they said nothing fraudulent was done, even though the fact was that it clearly had. I cancelled my live account immediately, removed my card from the account and vowed never to spend another penny on the service. They "refunded" me the unused time remaining on my account but made a mistake, giving me a code for free 12, 3 and 1 month, so I added them back on for 15 months, but truthfully, haven't been on in so long. I haven't updated to the latest dashboard with the ads.

Microsoft have to make money, I understand that. But they made money from me by stealing it...refusing to refund me when I'd informed them that the transactions were fraudulent. They made money from you by supplying faulty hardware...4 times. They should be making money by providing services and goods people want and are happy to pay for...but that frequently isn't the case.

But don't worry about MS in the next generation. We already know nintendo has it's next gen console in later stages of development. The 360/PS3 are so old in the tooth a basic computer today outperforms them many times over, let alone what we know will be a powerful HD platform as Nintendo have gone on record as saying. With their innovative controllers, hardware that will poo all over the competition who are too lazy sucking to develop next gen hardware, exclusive, first and third party titles and price point, Nintendo will OWN the next generation. Even if MS and Sony announced today they were working on a new console, it would be too late to beat the big N.

 

[Dalek Caan]

And another one who has theirs on most the day for that past 3 years. Is very loud though...

I like the loud. Lets me know it's always working. I have had two Xboxs. The first one RROD on me after the first year and when I called Microsoft it to see if they could replace it they told me it wouldn't be for free so that sucked. So I will give you that one. Then I just bought a second one and that has been working for nearly 3 years. There getting better.

 

[spartxn]

With the new patch we are bombarded with advertisements, and they have the guts to raise the price on live for something which really should be free. You have to have an active live account to have access to "perks" like netflix (thats a JOKE) and live ruined any communication with their community with their games. Just look at the sorry state of the dungeon defender dlc, microsoft acts like bloody money grubbing tyrants and just look at how it ruins games that thrive on dlc like l4d or team fortress 2. You cannot mod ANY game on the 360, which makes people who bought skyrim on the 360 insanely jealous of all the fun the pc community gets to have with user created content. Microsoft simply does not ALLOW us access to it because it contradicts their ideals.

What are u talking about? People mod on Xbox. Its not as easy to do as PC and a much SMALLER amount of people do it, but there are mods on Xbox. Mod mean "Modification". That includes Jtag Cheats, Host Booting, or even minor things like Moding uniquely Colored Amor(My friend did), or even Moding an account to trick the system into letting u use DLC. Uhm.. Not that I have done that.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yw8A24r2IP4

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=phQRXTHccKs

Two separate examples. Both from Halo, but CoD and Gears(& others) have mods aswell.

Ive had my Xbox since 09 and it works fine. My first Controller though, well its left Joystick fucked up on me. Not sure how to explain it. On my Second controller now. Hell my Brother is still on his First Xbox and First Controller, which he got back in 2005. I still can't believe both his controllers still work 0_o.

 

[Necroid_Neko]

If you think that Xbox should die why do you keep buying their consoles and products? It mildly annoys me when people complain about something but can't see that the only way to fix said 'exploitative' problem is to boycott the manufacturer.

 

[lapan]

Free? You really expect XBLive to be free? It costs a hell of a lot of money to run, you know.

Every other console manufacturer offers almost the same features for free. Many of the features they offer are actually p2p services and therefore cost them excactly nothing. Others like Netflix are run by external developers. You by far overestimate the costs they have.

 

[Dandark]

Then you have somehow been breaking them or buying broken ones.
I have had the same Xbox for about 3 years now and have had no problems with it at all. I am still using it now with no problems and it is working fine.

 

[K84]

I got my Xbox 360 from my little brother, and save to say, he did'nt really take care of it,
he smokes like a furnace, indoors without proper ventilation and his hygiene leaves many many questions.
Also, his track record with electronics is astounding, things die around him.
Quickly.

(but hey, family right?)

As so, i appreciated the gesture and i cleaned it up, noticed it survived for 5 years of such abuse, and aside from a rumbling sound, it runs perfectly, plays games, music, video's etc.

So actually, i am astonished by this machine.

The paying for playing online is a tad weird to me too, beeing a Sony player mainly,
but hey, what is, is.

 

[Jakub324]

I've literally never had a problem I couldn't solve by turning it off and on again, so I'm keeping my mine.

 

[Vivi22]

I might be in the minority but the PC gamers can keep their mods. There is a reason game developers generate content for their own games; it's because they're good at it. I haven't seen a mod yet that isn't in some way half-arsed or stands out from the original content like dog's balls.

Sorry, but I had to laugh a bit at you saying the reason game developers generate content for their games is that they're good at it. They produce the content because they're paid to do it, and in many cases they enjoy it, but there are plenty of people and companies that are bad at it. Probably as many as a percentage of the developers out there as the percentage of bad modders to good modders.

Also, as far as good mods, I'm sure the people who made or are fans of things like Counter-Strike, Day of Defeat, Natural Selection, and plenty of actually well made mods for Elder Scrolls and Fallout games that I've seen would like a word with you. There's a reason many people don't like to play Bethesda titles without mods and it's because the really good user generated stuff tends to be legitimately better than what Bethesda managed. Especially when it comes to things like texture packs.

 

[Mattismen]

That's some bad luck you go there,
I still have my 5 year old arcade model, works like a charm.

 

[deathbydeath]

In other news PC elitists are the lowest form of humanity and should shut up

waitwaitwait, wat? Besides the complete irrelevance to the op, why? Sure 'elitists' are the worst form of humanity, but that has nothing to do with pc, and even then don't shut them up because they have a point. Compare the boxed copy of Skyrim for Xbox to PC. If your disk gets destroyed, how much do you have to pay for a replacement copy on either machine?

 

[Terminate421]

I got 4 words for you:

Sucks to be you

More than 4 words:
Obviously it's your luck, I got my Xbox in February of '06 and had it red ring at about '08, MS repair fixed it and it worked up until july of '11. I had my brothers for about 4 months and then I bought a slim in October, I have had 2 xbox360s in total, this doesn't mean that Microsoft needs to leave the industry, it means that they will make sure their xbox720 survives extensively before release, also the console is functional and has amazing controllers.

 

[lRookiel]

Um, 5 years I've had my 360 (Had an issue but I got a repair soon enough) over a year now since I've played it because PC gaming is BETTER IN EVERY WAY.

I agree with the OP on everything they said. Other things I may add are that console games are more expensive, the majority of the community is shit compared and you are limited to a game controller (Which is also shit anyway). PC FTW WOOOOO!

The mods thing is funny/pathetic because the vanilla experience for games like Skyrim is fine on the PC and I played about 70 hours before I put my first mod on (I just wanted a different skin for my dwarven armour). Mods are optional things to make an individuals game improved for them! not so the creators of the mods can 1 up the devs.

 

[MercurySteam]

SNIP

Meh, it's the same song and dance all over again with nothing really new being said. It's clear that the Xbox 360 is not for you so why the hell are you still buying them?

 

[Strazdas]

so yeah, everything would have been solved in the first place if we didnt degenerate our gamin back to consoles. we were free of them for a short while, and hopefully we are going to be free off them once again.

Loving the use of the word "degenerate" here. Makes it sound like us console gamers are only just discovering the secret of fire while the mighty PC gamers have been using their microwave ovens for some time now

It isnt that extreme but yeah, thats the point i was making. we had consoles. then we had gaming computers computers (working ones, not the ones that tried to sell themselves as computers at first). they worked better than consoles. however somehow console manufacturers managed to push back thier product into the market and made many people buy worse product for, often, more money.
Then again, consoles arent the only ones doing this sort of marketing stunts, so raised eyebrows here.

 

[Sparrow]

All these people trying to make me feel guilty for buying xbox? Fuck you, I'll buy what console I like. Dictate to me the positives and negatives all day, but actively trying to make me feel like a bad guy for preferring a certain type of console? No. Screw you entirely.