Wow. And on the Escapist, no less. Misanthropes are cynical. Cynics don't like people who are happier than they or believe in all of the things they don't. Everything else is just variation.retyopy said:
Misanthropes: I don't get you.
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To the first sentence, it seems emo-y, but it is kind of hard to have a positive outlook when everything ends up being a letdown, ends horribly, or about the time when something good happens, something 10x worse follows. To the second part, it is hard to go out and be nice when your whole life people have used and taken advantage of you.retyopy said:
People as a whole have lost my trust already, and everyone keeps saying "oh, well not everybody is like that". I've yet to see them actually be right...
What I'mm curious about is if misanthropes hate themselvs. I mean, they don't see themselvs as more than human don't they? And if they don't, then what they hate about others they hate about themselvs. If that's the case, you'd want to change and improve it, because hating yourself and doing nothing about it is a waste of time. But if they can change and improve themselvs, why can't others?
That, above all, is what confuses me the most when people say "I hate humanity"
That, above all, is what confuses me the most when people say "I hate humanity"
dunno, kinda grew out of it. I mean, I know that humans are on average indeed the biggest assholes and idiots imaginable, but there are some good spots on this shitladen planet as well. Also, why should I hate all of humanity, I can't afford godlike blood pressure. So, it seems really to be a quite impractical thing in the long run to be a misanthrope.
"Have fun" for anyone who can actually spend all his life just hating through everything.
"Have fun" for anyone who can actually spend all his life just hating through everything.
In my experience, you can't force your environment to make you happy. You can only run away from it if it bothers you. Or destroy it if it actually threatens you.The_ModeRazor said:
If you see enough of humanity doing their damndest to make a case for why we should all be killed its hard not to some days, So to you i say this, A positive outlook is not something that just happens, if you force such an outlook it becomes closer to ignorance rather than positive thought. While i commend you For being able to see the good in things I don't see the positive most times because I am cynical of peoples nature though I always give a chance to prove me wrong. I'd love to be proved wrong on this point -.-
Not all people suck. But most. The majority is stupid and hates people who are nonconformists. If you get bullied every day for what you are, you start hating people. NOBODY hates people out of no reasons. I guess its that simple, though.
Despite that I generally try to be nice to other people to improve these conditions in my own small reach of action.
Despite that I generally try to be nice to other people to improve these conditions in my own small reach of action.
Well personally I dont like delusion. Life is not a happy place. Sure there are moments of happiness but typically life is more often vile, and it is mostly just .....meh. So having a positive outlook on life is a case example of delusion. Why focus on the few positives when they will inevitably be overwhelmed with all the mundane and negatives.
Another factor is the true nature of misanthropy, People. And quite frankly as a whole people suck. I myself am a horrible person, as are infinitely more people than would ever admit it. Human nature as it currently exists is exactly what makes life suck more often than not as most negatives in one individuals life are the direct effect of actions of another human being or group of people.
So if life sucks, and people are essentially what makes life suck then is it not logical to hate the source of what makes life suck? Honestly to me it does not really seem all that complex or unrealistic.
I think more than anything that the true fundamental difference that makes it difficult to get misanthropes is generational. Typically Generation X is identified as being very misanthropic, whereas the ME generation rejects that notion. It is suggested part of the reason for that disconnect (beyond the whole automatically rejecting the notions of the previous generation) is the way the ME generation was educated and forced by lazy and irresponsible educators .into focusing work efforts into group activities. If you are more adapted and ready to accept working in groups then your naturally going to be more accepting of people. Whereas Generation X was pushed down an educational path of being able to work as an individual with little or no supervision. So it seems natural that the group of people who were taught to do it yourself is going to look much less favorably on people because they will invariably see lack of knowledge or inability in others as a weakness and hinderence especially when forced to work and interact with them.
Conversely this is also reinforced in our entertainment. For example gaming. Generation X was the generation that basically gave video gaming credibility. GenX was raised on single player games predominantly and many times when cooperative play is introduced there would invariably be hinderences much like how two player games would lock the players together within one screen distance in beat em up side scrollers like battle toads and double dragon. One player typically is wanting to move forward stuck while the other wants to explore, both finding frustration. Whereas the MEs have been raised in a generation that popularized MMOs, and online coop multiplayer. Increasingly multiplayer games are centric around collaborative efforts. It is also interesting to note that as the ME generation progresses the notions of single player and every man for themselves deathmatches are falling by the way side in favor of multi party raids and team death match type options.
So yeah, From the way I see it, its really not all that hard to get. And from what seems apparent it falls down to all the complexity of a middle school foot ball coach saying "you play how you practice"
Another factor is the true nature of misanthropy, People. And quite frankly as a whole people suck. I myself am a horrible person, as are infinitely more people than would ever admit it. Human nature as it currently exists is exactly what makes life suck more often than not as most negatives in one individuals life are the direct effect of actions of another human being or group of people.
So if life sucks, and people are essentially what makes life suck then is it not logical to hate the source of what makes life suck? Honestly to me it does not really seem all that complex or unrealistic.
I think more than anything that the true fundamental difference that makes it difficult to get misanthropes is generational. Typically Generation X is identified as being very misanthropic, whereas the ME generation rejects that notion. It is suggested part of the reason for that disconnect (beyond the whole automatically rejecting the notions of the previous generation) is the way the ME generation was educated and forced by lazy and irresponsible educators .into focusing work efforts into group activities. If you are more adapted and ready to accept working in groups then your naturally going to be more accepting of people. Whereas Generation X was pushed down an educational path of being able to work as an individual with little or no supervision. So it seems natural that the group of people who were taught to do it yourself is going to look much less favorably on people because they will invariably see lack of knowledge or inability in others as a weakness and hinderence especially when forced to work and interact with them.
Conversely this is also reinforced in our entertainment. For example gaming. Generation X was the generation that basically gave video gaming credibility. GenX was raised on single player games predominantly and many times when cooperative play is introduced there would invariably be hinderences much like how two player games would lock the players together within one screen distance in beat em up side scrollers like battle toads and double dragon. One player typically is wanting to move forward stuck while the other wants to explore, both finding frustration. Whereas the MEs have been raised in a generation that popularized MMOs, and online coop multiplayer. Increasingly multiplayer games are centric around collaborative efforts. It is also interesting to note that as the ME generation progresses the notions of single player and every man for themselves deathmatches are falling by the way side in favor of multi party raids and team death match type options.
So yeah, From the way I see it, its really not all that hard to get. And from what seems apparent it falls down to all the complexity of a middle school foot ball coach saying "you play how you practice"
You might as well ask people who do not like chocolate why they don't simply start liking it, because it tastes good.
Nobody chooses to be a Misanthrope. You just are one or you aren't. Just like poeple either like stuff or don't.
Nobody chooses to be a Misanthrope. You just are one or you aren't. Just like poeple either like stuff or don't.
I was slightly misanthropic until I read Moliere's The Misanthrope. It was an enjoyable play that pointed out the absurdity of being a misanthrope. I take a brighter outlook on life these days, and it's quite nice.
I was a misanthrope, but then I made out with a girl for the first time last week. Really changes a person's outlook. Before I saw a universe with absolutely nothing to offer me, but the same misery I was seeing every damn day. Now I see a place where at any moment, a woman can remove her top and let me touch her boobs.
Because the world doesnt reward those that are "Nice" It rewards those that are ruthless and devoid of feelings if you want to get anywhere.
It's a matter of preference, honestly. Hating people is just like hating anything else.
I'm a bit misanthropic, but I don't automatically hate anyone. My opinions are based on my observations; anyone can prove that they're a good person. However, I'm a lot easier to sway in the negative direction.
As to why I'm so negative over being positive, from my experience everything is far more likely to go horribly wrong than succeed, especially with people. People are more likely to destroy than to create and very few appreciate the beauty in the world. People tend to be apathetic, self-serving, destructive, greedy to the extreme, hateful and overall not good. There are those who aren't, but I see people who are frequently.
I don't hate people for being people; I hate them for doing the things they do. I am noticeably biased toward the negative because of the things that I see every day, but people are not necessarily evil.
I guess it's a little bit of envy, too, but I'm not gonna go into that right now.
I'm a bit misanthropic, but I don't automatically hate anyone. My opinions are based on my observations; anyone can prove that they're a good person. However, I'm a lot easier to sway in the negative direction.
As to why I'm so negative over being positive, from my experience everything is far more likely to go horribly wrong than succeed, especially with people. People are more likely to destroy than to create and very few appreciate the beauty in the world. People tend to be apathetic, self-serving, destructive, greedy to the extreme, hateful and overall not good. There are those who aren't, but I see people who are frequently.
I don't hate people for being people; I hate them for doing the things they do. I am noticeably biased toward the negative because of the things that I see every day, but people are not necessarily evil.
I guess it's a little bit of envy, too, but I'm not gonna go into that right now.
Misanthropy =/= Nihilism
This kind idiocy is why I'm pretty misanthropic, as well as the arrogance that makes people think that you can't dislike humanity without also disliking everything else; The universe does NOT REVOLVE AROUND HUMANITY and neither does my personal happiness.
I find joy in many things and I dont need people around to do it, I certainly don't need approval from the inhabitants of the escapist, of all places. Christ, I routinely see more moronic opinions and behavior here than on 4chan.
This kind idiocy is why I'm pretty misanthropic, as well as the arrogance that makes people think that you can't dislike humanity without also disliking everything else; The universe does NOT REVOLVE AROUND HUMANITY and neither does my personal happiness.
I find joy in many things and I dont need people around to do it, I certainly don't need approval from the inhabitants of the escapist, of all places. Christ, I routinely see more moronic opinions and behavior here than on 4chan.
Different people are shaped by different things. I'd argue that most misanthropes aren't so much hateful of humanity, as they're disappointed by people, and distrustful of them. As for your question of "Wheres that going to get you?", I think that cautiousness is a much more useful virtue to have than the opposite of it, naivety - but that's just me.
This. I generally view humanity as a different species to myself and I am constantly disgusted by their terrible habits and traits, but I do not hate everyone or everything about humanity.bakan said: