Your arrogance is astounding. I find it very difficult to buy that there is a "wrong way" to view people or anything for that matter. And remember that I made a distinction between "people" and "individuals."gabe12301 said:That's because you look at people the wrong way. People aren't shit and people aren't great. People are just people. people are selfish and greedy, people are generous and kind. How you choose to look at them, and at life for that matter is your problem.TheDoctor455 said:Uhh... no. It isn't. Trust me, I tried that for a while. And people inevitably let me down so badly that its impossible to see people in general as anything but assholes.gabe12301 said:You know. I like to....
But seriously looking at the bright of life is just better. You can't really argue against it. Plus it's better for your health.
Individuals though, I still give them a chance... a chance many still manage to muck up... but still.
The world might not, but other people will.hotsauceman said:Because the world doesnt reward those that are "Nice" It rewards those that are ruthless and devoid of feelings if you want to get anywhere.
well at least you don't think that you are better than everyone else that would be just annoying I've seen a few replies on various threads like this where people complain that no one does anything nice for them so they shouldn't either. And I actually do go to a soup kitchen but not that often... it's not like it's anything special anyways.The Valet said:Uhh...what?werewolfsfury said:well see I have a problem with that, most of you people live in a comfortable environment and have never experienced anything all that bad you've probably never fought in any of those "trivial wars' you were talking about and probably never will you sit there complaining about how bad the world is and not trying to make it a better place like so many others who take time out of their lives to just to make you more comfortable. you people have no excuse to complain if you aren't either sacrificing your life for others in one of these never ending trivial wars or at least making the world better.
Don't make presumptions about people you know nothing about. And since when is misanthropy self-exclusive? I have abundant dislike for humans, and that includes me.
No-one takes time out their life ot make me comfortable; they do it because its their job, just like it will be my job to make people more comfortable (in a way). So before you start preaching on how to make the world a better place, do your research on whom you are talking to, and whether you yourself go to the local soup kitchen to feed the five thousand.
It might be useful to realise that you're both glossing over where misanthropy ends, and personal judgement starts.BiscuitTrouser said:Id rather assume things will be good so that despite all the dissapointment i still have something to strive for, and i can honestly say the feeling of being right when you have faith in someone is a billion times better than either of your feelings when you are either proven right by an asshole or surprised by a nice person. Putting all your faith in someone and being rewarded in turn is very fullfilling. Im sad that seemingly misanthropes never get this feeling.xitel said:BiscuitTrouser said:The media reports fairly accurately actually. Its just its hardly going to report on that organ donation that saved a girls life, or that man who gave blood and saved a terminal patient. Its going to focus on the war or the fire or the riots, and maybe rightly so. But it makes the world look worse than it actually is. Im not claiming there is more nice than bad, im saying assuming you know is silly, i make no claim to a lovey dovey flowery world full of bunnies. It is what it is with a mix of people everwhere some good some bad in different ratios and the best you can do is try and be a good person while being nice to everyone around you no matter who they are. My opinion isnt drawn from anytihng because im not making a massive assertion. I accept the balence and the variety of life and say any broad statement on the nature of any one thing as large as "people" is a waste of time and more than likely wrong.
Misanthropy seems to basically flawed on this point. Sweeping generalisations are always always wrong. I cant argue with your opinion. But its a FACT that the world isnt all bad or all good. Or have any particular leaning either way.
Yet again, I have never claimed to know one way or another. And I've never said that the world is all bad or all good. I have, however, stated that for me it makes far FAR more sense to assume that the world is full of shit. Because then you can either be happily disappointed or proven right. And you can find the good in the news if you know where to look. Paying attention to only one news source is shortsighted and blinds you to all the other news from around the world. The internet has made a complete global culture that means I can go from looking at CNN and seeing how people are being blown to pieces halfway around the world to reading a blog about how my neighbor found a wallet and returned it to its owner.
You know what. Im sorry. I get angry at misanthropes a lot, its an opinion that really rubs me the wrong way. You seem decent despite your admition you are shit, and thats the saddest part. Im willing to bet you are not. And misanthropy takes that and crushes it beyond recognition. Its just a little sad really. Even if you think you are shit. Im confident you are not.
While im sad you consider yourself shit you make a poor example of who im talking about. Most misanthropes never include themselves in their everyone sucks theory, putting themselves instead in a niche of high beings. This outlook couldnt irk me more.Yet again, where in any of this are we personally attacking you? And where is anyone claiming to be BETTER than anyone else? I'm a shit person, I'm fully willing to admit it. And yet, you're the one who is claiming that the world would be better off without a group of people, simply because their views differ from yours. You are in fact the one being arrogant, by refusing to even entertain a valid and legitimate view of someone else. You're saying that everyone who doesn't love the world is just flatout wrong, for no reason. That is arrogance. Stop thinking everything is a personal attack on you, and stop trying to insult people in order to belittle their point so you don't have to consider it in a valid and intelligent manner.
This wasnt aimed at you. Aimed at the guy who implied everyone who wasnt a misanthrope was a degenernate. Honestly i have no issue with you. I dont think any view is better than any other. I think these people who go on about how much everyone sucks and brings everything down dont add anything, and are in fact part of the problem or failing that definately not part of the solution. Sorry. This topic gets me riled up. Im sure youre a good guy, your views seem the most mild and agreeable of some im seeing. I just happened to include that with yours.
And i take every notion that "most people suck" as an attack on me. Because it is. Everyone who makes this claim never seems to point out who these PEOPLE actually are. Am i one? Its safe to assume i am? Are my family and friends one. Hell these people assume and basically accuse everyone of being an asshole right of the bat, what isnt there to be offended by? I am part of everyone. Thus i take offence.
The more aggressive and loud misanthropes who maintain everyone sucks all the time except them for some unknown reason really really get to me, and if they are so confident they and other misanthropes are so much better than everyone, why wouldnt they want to go live by themselves. It seems they only reason why they wouldnt is so they have people to look down on. These people get my goat.
You are very polite and im sad to say i started this by being overly aggressive unneccessarily. And im sorry. That wasnt kosher.
And they're shooting themselves in the foot. Every disappointment [and there are always more disappointments than good stuff] hurts more.manic_depressive13 said:Erm, Life is nicer if you have a positive outlook? Knowing something would be nicer or easier doesn't make you compelled to run about the place wearing a shit eating grin. Seeing an optimist is like watching someone with a lobotomy. It's great that they look so happy, but they're really gross and you wouldn't want to trade places.
And it isn't? You're funny.TokenRupee said:You don't have to run around with a goofy smile to have a positive outlook. You can just be an optimist and hope for the best. Besides, better to have a positive outlook than view the entire world as a cesspool breeding only misery.manic_depressive13 said:Erm, Life is nicer if you have a positive outlook? Knowing something would be nicer or easier doesn't make you compelled to run about the place wearing a shit eating grin. Seeing an optimist is like watching someone with a lobotomy. It's great that they look so happy, but they're really gross and you wouldn't want to trade places.
So if they hate people, then they should be positive and murder as many as they can? And how is it boring? Unless you consider constant disappointment in everything to be the best feeling ever that gives you the most fun in your life.TheYellowCellPhone said:Wow. I literally laughed out loud. That's hardly ever happened on the forums.
Anyway, I'm in the same boat as the OP, having a negative outlook in life is boring and I think incredibly unproductive in trying to change what you hate about the world.
You don't have to run around with a goofy smile to have a positive outlook. You can just be an optimist and hope for the best. Besides, better to have a positive outlook than view the entire world as a cesspool breeding only misery.manic_depressive13 said:Erm, Life is nicer if you have a positive outlook? Knowing something would be nicer or easier doesn't make you compelled to run about the place wearing a shit eating grin. Seeing an optimist is like watching someone with a lobotomy. It's great that they look so happy, but they're really gross and you wouldn't want to trade places.
If there is no creator you are correct. If there is one, he created it and by that action also ruined it. At least if we treat the creator like the default type all knowing/all powerful god.Smithburg said:When you laugh, the world laughs with you, when you cry, you cry alone.tzimize said:It doesnt get me anywhere, but neither does loving it. There is a looooooooong list of stuff I'm not happy with in the world in general. And my first reaction when I die if I can see my creator would be to punch him in the mouth for doing such a fucking poor job.
That said, I have a positive outlook on most stuff, or at least look at it with an appropriate amount of black humor.
My life philosophy can be summarized more or less like this:
When stuff makes you either want to laugh or cry, try laughing. Its funner. Yes. I know its not spelled that way.
As for the creator, it's not him that ruined the world. its people.
Answer me a question. Do you hate everybody? I mean EVERYBODY. Every single human being on the face of the earth. Even the ones who aren't stupid, greedy, backstabbling, or annoying. Do you feel the same sort of contempt for every single person you meet, and does that hatred never waver regardless of how good or honorable a person proves themself to be? Do you have absolutely no friends and hate/avoid all of your family? If not, if there are a few people or traits you can't help but like, then you cannot call yourself a misanthrope.TonyCapa said:I'm a misantrope. I hate people because for the most part they're stupid, greedy, backstabbing and annoying. I approached life seeing it differently, it didn't work, now I approach it with the above philosophy. Don't get me wrong, life it...awesome...sometimes but people suck.
That really forced a chuckle on me.DCboy17 said:I hate you.
already stated, my badSleipnir said:As for the "positive outlook on life", I have a general rule of "expect the worst and you can only be one of two things: pleasantly surprised, or right." (which is pretty positive for me)
Then why are we on this thread?TheDoctor455 said:I find it very difficult to buy that there is a "wrong way" to view people or anything for that matter.gabe12301 said:That's because you look at people the wrong way. People aren't shit and people aren't great. People are just people. people are selfish and greedy, people are generous and kind. How you choose to look at them, and at life for that matter is your problem.
thewn why are you allowed to hate people you know nothing about?The Valet said:Why would I think I am better than anyone else? All humans suck, whether you are black or white, rich or poor, fat or thin, it doesn't matter. The question isn't "Who do I like more?" Its "Who do I hate less?"werewolfsfury said:well at least you don't think that you are better than everyone else that would be just annoying I've seen a few replies on various threads like this where people complain that no one does anything nice for them so they shouldn't either. And I actually do go to a soup kitchen but not that often... it's not like it's anything special anyways.
But most supposed misanthropes only dwell on the bad things in history that don't even affect them and have no legit reason to complain instead they sit there and cry about the environment/economy/place what's wrong with the world here instead of moving on with life or trying to do something about it like joining some organization or something.
besides if you hate people so much why would you even care to think about them I just don't give a rats arse about what they do.
sorry if you find something wrong with this I'm terrible with arguments
P.S. how would I research you if you don't give me information about who you are on your bio?
And I think about people because its impossible not to; they surround you everywhere. You go to work with them. They are in the streets with you. Living beside you. Its like that annoying advert on TV that is continually thrust into your face to persuade you to by a product.
P.S; Thats my point. You know nothing about me, yet you still passed judgement.
I met a lot of people, I read serious new sources and came the conclusion that the world is filled with a plague of such epic proportions that only fire could cleanse it.retyopy said:Oh, sure, on a higher level, I do. Humans suck, life is pain, etc. But on a more practical level, you just make no sense to me, and heres why: Life is so much nicer if you have a positive outlook! Just go out into the world, be a nice person, and do something fun. What's the point of hating humanity? Wheres that going to get you?
EXPLAIN YOURSELVES!