Miyamoto Refocusing on Hardcore; Casual Gamers' Passive Attitude "Pathetic"
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Passive gamer... does somebody here knows the definition of that term? I think it's the first time I hear it.
I know that mobile market and videogames together sounds really bad (and a lot of bad games validate it). But looking closely I don't see the usual "giving the mobile audience what they are used to have" tone that other companies like EA use; and that's a plus, isn't it?
I know that mobile market and videogames together sounds really bad (and a lot of bad games validate it). But looking closely I don't see the usual "giving the mobile audience what they are used to have" tone that other companies like EA use; and that's a plus, isn't it?
Its not about that they decided to try and find a new or larger audience with thier produce, but rather that they kept trying to appeal to said audience long after they moved on to Android and iOS devices. How much better could the WiiU have been if they got thier 2013 fiscal report a year or two earlier?Olas said:
Or at least thats how it is for me. Opinions vary, of course.
I'm pretty happy to hear he knows that the mobile market is sweeping up casual gaming. I was worried Nintendo would constantly try to hammer home to a market that is less and less interested in them. They're always going to be seen as the "safe" brand for the casual market, but it's good to know they're refocussing.
in other words
GIT GUD CASUAL!
many people told nintendo this a good while ago, they couldve saved themselves the whole WiiU debacle!
the problem is not casual games themselves, but they shouldnt focus too much on those, release a few of those here and there, but you should count on them to sustain your company in the long run
in the end while less in number, your hardcore players are arguably your most important fans, they are your tech priests, converting people to your console, they probide the most useful feedback, they make promotional material for you for free
GIT GUD CASUAL!
many people told nintendo this a good while ago, they couldve saved themselves the whole WiiU debacle!
the problem is not casual games themselves, but they shouldnt focus too much on those, release a few of those here and there, but you should count on them to sustain your company in the long run
in the end while less in number, your hardcore players are arguably your most important fans, they are your tech priests, converting people to your console, they probide the most useful feedback, they make promotional material for you for free
Thus reenforcing my belief the man is a god.
It isn't difficult to get: the Wii was supposed to be the gateway drug to get people to see a wider world of gaming, and so many were happy to stay in the doorway. In out efforts to try and not judge others for playing differently, we forgot that "casual gamers" were on par with people that wouldn't eat an unfamiliar food, or try a new vacation spot, or read a new author. It's a purposeful limiting of one's experience and it's fair to look down on it a bit.
It isn't difficult to get: the Wii was supposed to be the gateway drug to get people to see a wider world of gaming, and so many were happy to stay in the doorway. In out efforts to try and not judge others for playing differently, we forgot that "casual gamers" were on par with people that wouldn't eat an unfamiliar food, or try a new vacation spot, or read a new author. It's a purposeful limiting of one's experience and it's fair to look down on it a bit.
This is most likely bad translation or meaning lost during translation. I doubt Miyamoto, as a public figure and face of Nintendo would use that kind of language to talk about their costumer. It doesn't seem like something Nintendo would do.
However, I agree with the statement. The passive attitude ticks me off as well.
However, I agree with the statement. The passive attitude ticks me off as well.
I think it's more like "Here is a video game, entertain yourself". Rather than having everything served to you, you have to invest yourself into games if you want the most enjoyment out of them. More than with movies or books or any other non-interactive entertainment.And Man said:
The point he's making is that they want someone else to do the work for them, whereas playing games is very much interactive, and you can get a lot more out of it if you put a bit more effort into learning to play games beyond Bejeweled or Doodle Jump. People who are casual gamers would typically see something like a 3D platformer, or even a simple FPS as too complicated and give up before they even try them. Those aren't people that are gamers. They're people who play simple games so they can pass the time without ever having to commit to something.And Man said:
People are misconstruing what he said. People are wanting games these days where everything's upfront, everything's free, and there's little to no challenge involved. He's saying that "casuals" just want a "passive" experience where they have minimal participation in what's going on in the game.
That's opposed to a more active experience created by tactics, competitive multiplayer, and high difficulty that makes you work for your fun.
If it gives us more old school tactics and JRPGs (recently, Fire Emblem: Awakening and Bravely Default), I'm all for it.
That's opposed to a more active experience created by tactics, competitive multiplayer, and high difficulty that makes you work for your fun.
If it gives us more old school tactics and JRPGs (recently, Fire Emblem: Awakening and Bravely Default), I'm all for it.
Personally I don't think it makes much sense to focus entirely on one or the other, but instead make games form both the "hardcore" *heavy sarcastic air quotes* and "casual." However as long as "focusing on the Hardcore" doesn't mean jumping on the Call of Duty bandwagon, I'm ok with this.
I can understand, in the sense that games can be more than pulp fun. They can say something. They can make the gamer question his or her values, or explore complex character. Just look at spec ops and SH2. The problem is that Nintendo has never made these kinds of games.And Man said:
I think it's pathetic you make a game, skin Mario characters on to it and then people eat it up! Or the bare faced fucking cheek of remaking a pokémon game! They are all more or less the same game with different pokémon, all they have to do is think up another 100 or so and BAM, 2 new games (which is cheeky as well. Imagine if street fighter did that, released 2 versions of the same game with 5 fighters exclusive to one and a different 5 exclusive to the other) ... then to not even be bothered to think of another 100+, and just remake an old game but people still go ape shit for it!
I think it's fucked up people hate on COD for being the same game every year, when it probably has more changes than the Mario Franchise.
I think Nintendo is the most over rated company by a huge mile.
I think it's fucked up people hate on COD for being the same game every year, when it probably has more changes than the Mario Franchise.
I think Nintendo is the most over rated company by a huge mile.
*CLAPS*
" Thats what I like to hear. You go, Mr Miyamoto. Now show'em yo' motto!"
Come on people. Take microtransactions and skinner boxes out of the picture. End of the day who's gonna spend the money, or wait up all night to be first. Others are shallow, they don't respect games the same way, why prioritize them first?
" Thats what I like to hear. You go, Mr Miyamoto. Now show'em yo' motto!"
Come on people. Take microtransactions and skinner boxes out of the picture. End of the day who's gonna spend the money, or wait up all night to be first. Others are shallow, they don't respect games the same way, why prioritize them first?
That headline is incredibly misleading. Nowhere does Miyamoto say anything about 'casuals', just gamers who expect the game to be driving the entertainment as opposed to gamers who use the game to create challenge for themselves.
Glad to hear Nintendo, with Bayonetta, Wonderful 101 and a few other games you've got my attention, make a few more that appeal to me then we'll talk.
Nintendo could make their own games, it's not like their lacking in the skills. Or they could pull another Bayonetta and have 2nd party games made (independent devs who's games are published/paid for by Nintendo).Toadfish1 said:
I think you're trying too hard to fit into the Nintendo hate group.omega 616 said:
You obviously didn't play and Mario games. COD having much more changes than Mario? Really? You want to tell me that Mario 3, Mario 3D World, NSMBU and Galaxy are pretty much the same game? Are you, in all seriousness telling me that those are the same game?