Did you just read the title? Someone who admits that they made the same mistake is the exact person who should be giving advice about that mistake.Quiotu said:
Miyamoto Thinks PS Vita Needs More Games
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What it needed was backwards capability. I have 15 psp games that I haven't finished. Why? Because I use the psp when I'm on the go not as something I play all day. Which the funny thing is that if they ported psp games to the vita then they would have much more games. How come they did this in Japan but not the U.S.?
The problem is how many people bought Persona 4 the first time around? Considering Atlus said Catherine was their biggest success ever and that only sold a few hundred thousand that's not really a hit title for most big publishers and certainly not what the Vita needs. I doubt Gravity Rush will be that title either but only because I don't see a lot of advertising for it. My point wasn't about the quality of Persona 4 but you don't sell a system by remaking an older game that's for the most part obscure. Especially when that game can be bought along with the system it was on for about half the price of the newer system without the game.TizzytheTormentor said:
The problem with the Vita is not that it doesn't have software. It just doesn't have any of the software of the big names to call its own. Either the game has to be incredible awesome that it just grabs everyone, or it they need franchise hits that are not ports. And they have got to be something that can only be experienced on the Vita. If it is a game that could work on the PS3 then no dice. PSP had a bunch of good games, and you wanna know what happened to a bunch of them? PS3 HD remakes.
3DS is lucky it is mostly backwards compatible with DS family (perfect backwards compatibility is lost on Guitar Hero: On Tour, but that game was kinda weak), as well as having a large library of decent to good 3DS games with a few amazing games. All Vita has are playable to good games. They need a killer app that is only on the Vita and can only be on the Vita.
Sony needs a price drop and an app market, with prices comparable to AppleApp Store/Droid Marketplace.
This might not be what the Vita needs, but it could help: increased cross usability with PS3 titles. Hear me out. Nintendo is making the WiiU. The WiiU tablet is a touch screen that can be used as an auxiliary screen for the games. With this touch screen you can manage inventory, look at a map, remove the HUD from the main screen, all sorts of stuff. The Vita can already talk to the PS3, so why not step it up and get it to act as one of the PS3 controllers? I only use 5 of my 7 PS3 controller ports (1, 2, 3, 4, remote) why not add Vita to the list and beat Nintendo to the punch? Even better: the Vita you can take away from the PS3 and it can still play games; if you try the same with WiiU tablet, it just doesn't do anything. If you already have a PS3 and want a WiiU type experience, just get Move and Vita.
on second thought that sounds stupid I'll just get WiiU >_>
3DS is lucky it is mostly backwards compatible with DS family (perfect backwards compatibility is lost on Guitar Hero: On Tour, but that game was kinda weak), as well as having a large library of decent to good 3DS games with a few amazing games. All Vita has are playable to good games. They need a killer app that is only on the Vita and can only be on the Vita.
Sony needs a price drop and an app market, with prices comparable to AppleApp Store/Droid Marketplace.
This might not be what the Vita needs, but it could help: increased cross usability with PS3 titles. Hear me out. Nintendo is making the WiiU. The WiiU tablet is a touch screen that can be used as an auxiliary screen for the games. With this touch screen you can manage inventory, look at a map, remove the HUD from the main screen, all sorts of stuff. The Vita can already talk to the PS3, so why not step it up and get it to act as one of the PS3 controllers? I only use 5 of my 7 PS3 controller ports (1, 2, 3, 4, remote) why not add Vita to the list and beat Nintendo to the punch? Even better: the Vita you can take away from the PS3 and it can still play games; if you try the same with WiiU tablet, it just doesn't do anything. If you already have a PS3 and want a WiiU type experience, just get Move and Vita.
on second thought that sounds stupid I'll just get WiiU >_>
Yep agreed totally. One of the few good "original" games on it is just a third person shooter while the other 2 original titles on it are some cheap titles. The games I'm referring to are Unit 14, Escape Plan, and Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack since they are the only 3 original (as in not a spinoff of another series like Uncharted or a port like Rayman Origins) games on the Vita that are above a 4 star rating. Unit 14 is the third person shooter and the other 2 are the cheap games (Escape Plan being $15 on the PSN and Tales From Space: Mutant Blobs Attack being $7).orangeapples said:
The PSP games on their need some serious price cuts as well. Half of the PSP games I see on there I could go buy a physical copy of for half to a third of the price. It's absurd. Thankfully a few people are pricing their games reasonably like XSEED whose games are mostly $10-15. They also need to work on their PSP compatibility for it as well since if I had to guess I would say only half to a third of the PSP games on PSN can be bought on the Vita. I was going to buy all the games in the Ys series again for the Vita but one of them isn't on there. There's a lot of problems with it that need to be fixed.orangeapples said:
Technically, they can't lower the price. They're already selling it at a loss, with a projected 3 years before profit is made. Even a $50 price cut would be painful. A price cut isn't what they need. What they need is what's already been stated in this thread. They need to release games outside of Japan that people actually want instead of hording all of the good stuff and claiming the Western market is failing.
So I'm guessing you got into gaming after the Playstation 2 was released. Heck, the Gamecube had a stronger launch library than the Vita. The Playstation One (original) had a stronger launch library. The games that the PS Vita launched with can be counted on both hands but with fingers to spare.SuperTrainStationH said:
I am still waiting for the good games for the 3DS.
I have bought:
Zelda OoT. Love it.
Super Mario 3D Land. Traded it in
Starfox 64. Traded it in
Mario Kart 7. Traded it in
Tales of the Abyss. It's worth keeping.
It's probably just me but I just wasn't impressed with the new Mario game and Starfox wasn't worth $40 considering it's just a port and not a great one (like Zelda). Mario Kart has been going downhill since Mario Kart Double Dash, the more people complain about the blue shells, the more of them Nintendo puts in. Further, the eshop is a joke. It is going down in flames just like the Wii shop did.
Miyamoto is correct about the Vita though.
I have bought:
Zelda OoT. Love it.
Super Mario 3D Land. Traded it in
Starfox 64. Traded it in
Mario Kart 7. Traded it in
Tales of the Abyss. It's worth keeping.
It's probably just me but I just wasn't impressed with the new Mario game and Starfox wasn't worth $40 considering it's just a port and not a great one (like Zelda). Mario Kart has been going downhill since Mario Kart Double Dash, the more people complain about the blue shells, the more of them Nintendo puts in. Further, the eshop is a joke. It is going down in flames just like the Wii shop did.
Miyamoto is correct about the Vita though.
Geez I didn't realize they sold that much. Well I guess I should get Freedom Unite on the Vita. It's not the 4.1 million game but it's the only Monster Hunter available for Vita from the PSP/Vita section.pspman45 said:
EDIT: Crap I forgot to mention this but here's the thing. THEY ADVERTISED IT ON THE VITA! Back at Sony's press conference a couple years ago when it was still the NGP Capcom went up there and showed the HD version of Monster Hunters Portable 3rd on the Vita. They said it only took a few weeks to port it on there and they didn't actually release it on there. Well it doesn't matter much now since Capcom has basically gone full Nintendo and is putting both Tri&4 on the 3DS.
The problem isn't that the vita needs more games, it's that Sony needs some more IPs.
The 3DS didn't have many or any games when it came out, but people bought it eventually. It slowly picked up as more good games came out, good games everyone knew were coming. Can you say that for the Vita? If I buy a vita am I guaranteed at least some good first party games? Not really, and that was the problem with the PSP to. The PSP also had better specs then the DS, which didn't help it... not one bit. This is just history repeating itself, like I said it would before either of these systems came out. Sony just doesn't make games like they used to, and Nintendo - even though getting crappy in the hardware department - still delivers the goods.
I don't know what happened to all those people who made Sony games during the PS1 and PS2 era, but damn do we need those people back because they knew what was fun and what wasn't.
The 3DS didn't have many or any games when it came out, but people bought it eventually. It slowly picked up as more good games came out, good games everyone knew were coming. Can you say that for the Vita? If I buy a vita am I guaranteed at least some good first party games? Not really, and that was the problem with the PSP to. The PSP also had better specs then the DS, which didn't help it... not one bit. This is just history repeating itself, like I said it would before either of these systems came out. Sony just doesn't make games like they used to, and Nintendo - even though getting crappy in the hardware department - still delivers the goods.
I don't know what happened to all those people who made Sony games during the PS1 and PS2 era, but damn do we need those people back because they knew what was fun and what wasn't.
What I like about this is that Miyamoto shows no disrespect towards Sony. I don't know if this has anything to do with the culture of Japan or what, but I think this is how competitive business rivals should treat each other, at least publicly anyway. Certain other companies whom shall remain unnamed should take note. As for me, I'm just pleased that there's at least one person in the industry that is still worth believing in.
Simple they either got laid off, got their IP rights bought by someone else, or stopped working with Sony too much. Games like Spyro got bought by companies like Activision who then didn't do much with it. Clover who made games like Okami and God Hand was formed by Capcom and was meant to be basically an all star team with tons of talent in it who Capcom then disbanded later. They reformed themselves as Platinum Games though and they seem to have a good relationship with Sega so not all was lost (save Shinji Mikami who left a while ago on good terms).xPixelatedx said:
Then the main problems were basically people went to Sony because Nintendo had recently screwed over it's 3rd parties with the Nintendo 64 and caused a lot of people to leave them and move to Sony who treated them far better. Nintendo tried to get their 3rd party support back with the Gamecube but they kept their proprietary format which is why so many left them in the first place. Not to mention Capcom who tried to support Nintendo with "The Capcom 5" failed miserably when the higher ups at Capcom ported most of the games that were made for that to the PS2 for more money (this is what caused Shinji Mikami to leave them).
However now Nintendo is the one with the highest selling console and there's also Microsoft to go to whereas Sony's PS3 was made to be difficult to program for (one of the ways that Nintendo screwed their 3rd parties over with the 64) which obviously pissed them off. Also many of Sony's first party titles were changed quite a bit because of Sony. The Uncharted games were supposed to be way more unrealistic then they are with more crazy stuff like a whole underground race but Sony wanted it more realistic because that was more popular.
Granted Sony is probably Nintendo's strongest competitor in the portable gaming market to date with the PSP doing incredibly well compared to other people that Nintendo beat but a lot of developers didn't want to make games for the PSP since it's incredibly high piracy rate and that it wasn't too popular in the west (though in the east it was way more popular hence why games like Valkyria Chronicle got their sequel on the PSP).
Honestly there's just a whole mess of reasons and I doubt I could list them all. This is just everything I could think of or remember.
Wow, you have certainly been keeping up with things, even more then me! I am impressed and solute you. Now I will just go off into a corner and be depressed over the news you just gave me (damn, it was all worse then I thought).80Maxwell08 said:
It's less about keeping up and more just watching some stuff in a few random places. The PS3 being hard to program over is no secret and if you go google Shinji Mikami you will find the same stuff about him and Capcom. The Uncharted part was said in an interview somewhere. I know it's on this site somewhere. Can't find it for some reason. Ugh I swear I saw that somewhere.xPixelatedx said: