Modern Warfare going down Halo's road?

[Marik2]

I saw the "Halo" effect on Resistance: Fall of Man. The first Resistance is just like you said it had an awesome story, gameplay, and a decent multiplayer. Now the second game came out and the campaign was very mediocre and the gameplay was completely different, but the multiplayer was 10 times better than the first one in my eyes. I guess most fps sequels depend on multiplayer to sell and sorta forget the campaign.

 

[Buizel91]

I can't even play either since my 360 decided reading discs was a stupid idea.

ooo ooo ooo that happend to me (got an elite now tho) it'll be ur laser, what i did was blow in the disk tray and wack it a couple of times, sometimes it would take a wile but it wored int he end.

OT: i dont think COD is goig down halo's path, most COD games have had short stories (or shoter than most games) but what both games offer is fast action gameplay with alot of story, which is why they are both successful, even halo CE story was quite short

 

[LeonLethality]

Well, dammit, frist comment a hate comment, I was hoping to avoid that bull.

No I can somewhat agree with him to a smaller scale they are both massively popular shooters but their sequels suck. the first modern warfare and the first halo were amazing.

 

[thublihnk]

If you don't like them, don't play them, and keep away from threads that discuss them. Simple.

Right, because discussions shouldn't be interesting exchanges of ideas. They should be optimistic circle-jerks between fanboys. I'm not saying that every jackass who just shouts "MW2 SUXXX" should be voicing his opinion in every forum, just that a dissenting opinion shouldn't be outright shunned.

 

[Marik2]

To those people who consider Halo and MW2 bad games...

What do you consider a good shooter?

I also would like to know that. I think that if there wasn't any hype for these franchises then people wouldn't say much bad things about them.

 

[JayDeth]

I can't even play either since my 360 decided reading discs was a stupid idea.

ooo ooo ooo that happend to me (got an elite now tho) it'll be ur laser, what i did was blow in the disk tray and wack it a couple of times, sometimes it would take a wile but it wored int he end.

OT: i dont think COD is goig down halo's path, most COD games have had short stories (or shoter than most games) but what both games offer is fast action gameplay with alot of story, which is why they are both successful, even halo CE story was quite short

Already done both, though I don't want to whack it too much since it's not my Xbox, I just get the most use out of it.

 

[Bigeyez]

*Obligatory hate filled statement towards Halo/CoD*
*Statement implying all PC games > Console games*
*Asserting my opinions as facts and those who disagree are idiots/lame/stupid/gay/12 year olds*
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Really though I feel the exact opposite way you do. It's all donw to a matter of opinion. I find the faster paced story of MDW2 better then the originals and besides the ending (which applies to Halo 2 as well) I have no complaints on the campaign. As for it being short, what shooter is more then 10 hours these days? In fact I can't remember any recent shooter being "long". In my book Quality > Quantity and the campaign of MDW2 delivered on every front.

 

[Reg5879]

I see what you mean. I noticed that it's getting popular to hate Modern Warfare 2.
And it's not even a bad game.

Success and hype is what makes people hate it. Also, it makes them root for the underdog like Battlefield BC2. Personally, I love MW2.

 

[SantoUno]

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You make a good point about both games sharing similiar roads with their sequels, though I just disagree with this.

Modern Warfare 2 story seemed to pale in comparison to the frist, the campaign was extremely short and bland. However, the multiplayer had many aspects that were improved upon, aside from the dedicated servers fiasco, and it was an overall better experience.

Are you kidding? I think the complete opposite. IW butchered the multiplayer for MW 2, mostly because of the severely unbalanced kill streak rewards that get you so many kills that it's nearly impossible to catch up to the leading players that got them. Also the maps have way too many nooks and crannies now so there is far too much camping now. The only improvements I noted were more weapons and the fact that Martyrdom is now only accessible for those who can't get any kills (gotta give any dog at least one bone right?).[/quote]

But yes, you are mostly right on the money about these two sequels. Either way, they are still good enough to have been massively popular (well for me not MW 2).

 

[Lancer723]

I guess it's the "cool" thing to hate modern warfare 2 as well as halo. You know, because mainstream stuff is dumb and over-hyped, so it has to be bad.

Well, dammit, frist comment a hate comment, I was hoping to avoid that bull.

Yeah I would like to adress this site's general community
Why? Why so much hate for Halo? CoD second but like 1 in 3 people here seems to absoulutly loathe Halo I just don't get this sites' members burning hate for it.

What I said above applies, but also this: The escapist= mainly PC gamers, Halo/CoD= two of the most successful CONSOLE shooters. That's always been my interpretation anyway.

 

[Wintermoot]

Forewarning: This is not a Hate agaisn't ethier of these games, just a common trend I noticed.


Ok, I believe the Modern Warfare series to be doing exactly what Halo did. Halo: Combat Evolved by many standards was an excellent game, it had a strong story, good gameplay, and a fairly decent online. The same could be said about the frist Modern Warefare. From this point, this gets a little odd.

The 2nd Halo was not as good, it took away one beloved feature (health packs) its story seemed lacking, the gameplay didn't change much at all, thus making it boring. However, the multiplayer was made better, if only mildly.

Modern Warfare 2 story seemed to pale in comparison to the frist, the campaign was extremely short and bland. However, the multiplayer had many aspects that were improved upon, aside from the dedicated servers fiasco, and it was an overall better experience.

Anyone else notice the similarites? I mean even the major selling points of the two games were the new dual weild feature. Not that thats a bad addition, it just seems too similar to the point it seems the games are coping one another. Could it be by the time Modern Warfare 3 comes out, only the hardcore fans will enjoy and the rest will hate it? I have no clue.

So my question to you is this: Is the Modern Warfare series traveling down Halo's road?

I think so it goes down the road of preffering multiplayer in favor of single player

 

[Red Hood]

I liked both the Halo and Modern Warfare serieS; Modern Warfare especially. I think the second installment had a lot to live up to and it delivered ten-fold. I don't see how Halo or Modern Warfare are a disgrace to the shooting genre.

 

[General Vagueness]

Then why are they so popular if they suck?

The same reason Miley Cyrus and Twilight are popular.

Care to explain it (since I don't fully understand myself)?

 

[internetzealot1]

Looks like we can look forward to some sort of map-maker in MW3.

And on a side note, does anyone else feel like Halo:Reach will be returning to the first Halo's health system? I mean, the narrative reason the system changed was because MC got newer armor, and Bungie might have been using ODST to test the waters a little.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Not to nitpick, but the original Halo didn't have any online...

I'm fairly certain the PC version did, I'm aware that the Xbox port didn't but I'm sure that the PC had a Lan if not full internet multiplayer.

It did it is in the top ten shooters played on xfire. Which I also might add to that CoD4 is them most played FPS on xfire second only on most played game to WoW not only that I'd also like to add CoD2 is more played than MW2 so that really says a lot about the games multiplayer aspect.

 

[TOGSolid]

I guess it's the "cool" thing to hate modern warfare 2 as well as halo.

Ah the battlecry of the butthurt.

Maybe the reason people hate Halo and Modern Warfare 2 isn't because they want to be cool, but maybe because Halo and MW2 are just shit games?

Then why are they so popular if they suck?

The same reason Miley Cyrus and Twilight are popular.

Care to explain it (since I don't fully understand myself)?

The average intelligence and taste of the mob isn't exactly well developed. There's a reason there's a market for swill like the new Star Trek movie and the Transformers flicks. Why Lady Gaga, and all them other terrible artists are able to get popular. Why a book as badly written as Twilight can make a fortune.

The mob rules, and it's as dumb as a brick. It doesn't take a whole lot of effort to tap into that, feed the mob garbage, and still make money. It's why media of all types has geared towards becoming so banal and idiotic. Case in point, Modern Warfare 2. MW2 is not a good game, it's not even a well made game. The multiplayer had to have been playtested by a bunch of drunks. Yet it's popular because the 360 spread gaming to the masses so that the fratboy mentality is what controls what becomes popular now.

 

[Alkestes]

Not to nitpick, but the original Halo didn't have any online...

There was a form of unofficial online for it, a PC program called Xbox Connect or something similar. Although it used to take forever to find a decent lagless game...

 

[UsefulPlayer 1]

I see what you mean. I noticed that it's getting popular to hate Modern Warfare 2.
And it's not even a bad game.

As for feelings like this, allow me to explain. If the people who hate these games and things like it that are overly popular would be honest with themselves, they would probably have to confess that they don't hate these things as much as they portray. It's the IDEA of these things that people come to loath.

Seriously, I highly doubt playing H3 or MW2 would make them wet their pants as much as their internet complaining would make it seem.

Also, I think they are following similar paths as they are both popular FPSs. The only thing that really separates them in this is that Halo is a Sci-Fi so they have lots of possibles there where MW does not.

 

[SilentHunter7]

Then why are they so popular if they suck?

The same reason Miley Cyrus and Twilight are popular.

Care to explain it (since I don't fully understand myself)?

Lemmings that will eat anything up because it has a certain name attached to it.

In other words, they're popular for no other reason than because they're popular.

 

[Flour]

What I said above applies, but also this: The escapist= mainly PC gamers, Halo/CoD= two of the most successful CONSOLE shooters. That's always been my interpretation anyway.

Call of Duty started as a PC game series, and only two of them are obviously designed for consoles.(3/4 and 6/7 depending on how you count since the expansion for the first game was basically it's own game sold as a full-priced expansion before activision decided to not pretend they were publishing sequels)

I don't see how Halo or Modern Warfare are a disgrace to the shooting genre.

They're both insanely popular and will produce a shitload of (even worse) "follow the leader [http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/FollowTheLeader]" games. The only difference found in Halo/CoDMW2 and other shooters is actually a massive advertising campaign.
Of course, the whole "follow the leader" syndrome is what's been killing basically every innovative thought in just about any major industry(why support a new and interesting idea something scary like Psychonauts when a sequel to a game like Halo is a guaranteed sale of at least a million copies) so this isn't a recent problem, but it's still annoying that CoDMW2 will become the WoW of first person shooters.