Monster Hunter Tri

[deckai]

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

Really?...I mean REALLY? That's your reason for arguing here? .. that is sad... at least, thank you for showing me that you don't really have any opinion on this game other then just to pissing other people off.

 

[master m99]

10 houres...unless you spend the 10 houres staring at one of the cats thats bullshit.

 

[Zeruun22]

I am surprised that no one really gets the basic message Yahtzee was enunciating here: That if a game can't manage to appeal to you in X hours then it's not going to appeal to you inb 2X or even 3X hours. And even if it did, is wading through the initial round of suck worth a potential pay-off on hearsay? I've experienced many games like that....and I rarely give a game more than 1 hour if I find it's not to my liking; I have a much, much lower tolerance level for suck than Yahtzee (plus I don't have to do a video review, thank the evil game gods).

Whether it's a tutorial that takes (seemingly) forever or just normal gameplay (that feels like a bad tutorial) the bottom line is: hours in to the game none of the gameplay appealed to Yahtzee. And ergo I am reasnably confident it will not appeal to me, as I have found that about 75% of the time if Yahtzee finds a game's drag preposterous and torturous, so will I. About the only time I saw one of his reviews and it said, "this game has moments of suck, but the payoff for hanging in there is kinda cool (I'm paraphrasing here obviously) it was with Dark Void, which I did go get (once I saw it for ten bucks) based on what Yahtzee said. And he was right.

The last time I ignored Yahtzee, it was at my peril--I picked up Wet despite his review, thinking I could overlook it all and find the coolness within. I was wrong.

Damnit, Yahtzee is always right. ALWAYS.

As I stated earlier the tutorial(5 pages of text from an npc you click through) or if you call the 4 key quests that dont contain any real threats you need to do to get to the harder bosses are just to show you the ropes if youre new. Whats surprising to me that no ones pointed out about his review is that he complains about weapon bounces on the easiest early boss, a situation easliy remedied by upgrading his starter weapon, I mean he did spend 10 hours free roaming. Again 4 key quests you have to do to with a time limit of 50 min each tho all doable in 5 each since the objectives are all close to the starter area for missions(3 and a half hours if you go to the wire on each one) But ok you guys are right, its fair to review a game based on just its intro quests only if you explore everything in the enviroment.

 

[golbleen]

But because you did that you started to contradict earlier statements you made with your other statements. For example you said how I'm defending Yahtzee's opinion by sharing my own.

Demonstrate where this occurred.

Also, about what you said in him being inacurate with false facts; you can say all you want, but the things he said are true.

There are two questions that arise from this;

1) Do you have evidence that is not anecdotal, or appeals to Croshaw's authority, that validate his claims?

2) Even if the things he states are true; do they give an accurate representation of the full game experience? You don't give a test an F because someone got the first two questions wrong. To say that the game gave a bad first impression within 30 minutes to two hours of play (a point I won't contest) is no excuse to write the entire game off as horrid. The focus on some of the activities he describes shifts greatly in favor of other activities he never experienced until writing the second page of his article. Other games do this too, but in the opposite direction; remember how Brutal Legend had a great intro before being bogged down by awkward RTS confusion?

The only thing that he just over-exxagurated way too much is the tutorial time. However a tutorial one hour or even more long (this statement has been taken from earlier posts) is still ridiculous. He was trying to prove a point.When you plead to me to stop using a specific argument using an invalid argument yourself. This is kind of hypocritical to do. Just saying.

First off, exaggerations are dangerous when written as fact. Croshaw's tone of voice can't be objectively 'read' when he writes an Extra Punctuation article, especially when he claims, in his writing, that the MHtri fan community stated this figure and not him. It's in poor form. This is doubly-true given that Extra Punctuation articles tend to be more of a serious, somber retrospect than his usual voice-recorded game rants.

Game pacing varies and there are no 'right' ways to pace games. Some want the instant gratification fast cinema experience, and some want the slow-building novel experience that carries more depth in exchange for time and attention span investment. Games as a medium have the benefit of choosing whichever path they desire for whichever audience they're intended for, and there are pros in additions to cons that can be brought up for the initial slow pacing of some games. Basically, you cannot state that 'one hour' is too long and therefore too long. A more appropriate statement might be that it's outside of one's personal taste, or doesn't satisfy mass appeal - though honestly, is mass appeal necessary for a 'good' game?

I don't know how you get the impression that I am 'pleading' you to stop doing something. I'm merely asserting that logic errors exist in your statements. You also haven't really demonstrated where mine exist with any real coherency? To me, this strikes me largely as an excuse from you for an amusing bout of internet name-calling. Just saying.

 

[Mangue Surfer]

The pterodactyl is the second boss.
The second boss is still tutorial? Maybe the Lizards with glamorous blond hair? How we know when the tutorial is over?

 

[mike1921]

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

People trying to defend this game made me hate the game way more than anything yahtzee said. Anything that got me into a conversation about the game's tutorial would. Infact, yahtzee actually defended the game way better than you did by mistake, because he said

but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield?

Which comfirmed that there actually are weapons other than sledge hammers, massive swords, massive spears, and all the other giant heavy slow shit. I was under the impression that all the weapons were heavy shit because: First some guy posted some youtube videos showing people beat bosses as if it were an arguement that the game doesn't suck (all of them with retardedly huge weapons), and then if I asked if all weapons are that huge no one bothered responding that they're not

Most of the weapons are HUGE. That's just how it goes. There's also Bowgunning, which is an entirely different experience. You know the thing about Sword and Shield though? It hits pretty weak compared to the bigger weapons (obviously), so you have to hit more often. Which is doable. But you also have to keep a variety of swords around because maximizing elemental damage is key to doing well with Sword and Shield. It's not exactly the best noob weapon.

I really don't care if it's the best weapon. Big heavy slow weapons bore me to death.

Sure is agree with yAHtzhee in here.

It's a good game, get over yourselves

Yes, how dare we agree with yahtzee that a game you like sucks. Obviously if you say it's a good game it must be, all mighty person with 10 posts.

u mad?

I mad

 

[shadowmarth]

The pterodactyl is the second boss.
The second boss is still tutorial? Maybe the Lizards with glamorous blond hair? How we know when the tutorial is over?

Depends who you ask. Generally once you've beaten the Great Jaggi you've graduated from the early game.

 

[BrilliantCircle]

I am surprised that no one really gets the basic message Yahtzee was enunciating here: That if a game can't manage to appeal to you in X hours then it's not going to appeal to you inb 2X or even 3X hours. And even if it did, is wading through the initial round of suck worth a potential pay-off on hearsay? I've experienced many games like that....and I rarely give a game more than 1 hour if I find it's not to my liking; I have a much, much lower tolerance level for suck than Yahtzee (plus I don't have to do a video review, thank the evil game gods).

Whether it's a tutorial that takes (seemingly) forever or just normal gameplay (that feels like a bad tutorial) the bottom line is: hours in to the game none of the gameplay appealed to Yahtzee. And ergo I am reasnably confident it will not appeal to me, as I have found that about 75% of the time if Yahtzee finds a game's drag preposterous and torturous, so will I. About the only time I saw one of his reviews and it said, "this game has moments of suck, but the payoff for hanging in there is kinda cool (I'm paraphrasing here obviously) it was with Dark Void, which I did go get (once I saw it for ten bucks) based on what Yahtzee said. And he was right.

The last time I ignored Yahtzee, it was at my peril--I picked up Wet despite his review, thinking I could overlook it all and find the coolness within. I was wrong.

Damnit, Yahtzee is always right. ALWAYS.

Monster Hunter is different though. Really, there is no game yet designed like Monster Hunter (which is surprising to me). The game will NOT appeal to you in the first hours. I don't think I've met anyone who says "OH WOW DID YOU JUST SEE ME CATCH THAT FISH!? THIS IS THE SHIT!" Even I hated it, but this was at a time when I barely had any games and I didn't want to waste money. So I played it and while it did get harder, it got more enjoyable. For me, taking down something that was really challenging using my own skill is rewarding and satisfying, as opposed to let's say RPGs where the character in the game is what determines how you beat something.

This is not a game where you get little rewards for doing things repeatedly (which is like most games), you are doing one huge mission and then getting a huge reward for it.

 

[Zeruun22]

The pterodactyl is the second boss.
The second boss is still tutorial? Maybe the Lizards with glamorous blond hair? How we know when the tutorial is over?

More of a Velociraptor and its not part of the tutorial its the 1 star level quests urgent quest, basically you need to beat it to unlock 2 star quests.

 

[shadowmarth]

I really don't care if it's the best weapon. Big heavy slow weapons bore me to death.

You say that now, but when a Dragon is clawing at your head and you're struggling to keep from getting wiped out, that one big hammer smash to the face in the enemy's breif opening is going to a look a lot nicer, and faster. This isn't God of War, a slow weapon works very well, if you just time your hits carefully.

 

[mike1921]

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

Really?...I mean REALLY? That's your reason for arguing here? .. that is sad... at least, thank you for showing me that you don't really have any opinion on this game other then just to pissing other people off.

No, although now I'd love to piss you off. Since you're obviously an idiot who can't read.
My reason for arguing, is that people recommending this game make it sound like a terrible game. I don't care if I piss other people off.

The people who like this game couldn't make it sound worse to me if they planned it all in advance
"Hey! Let's find everything mike hates about games. Find a game with all those things or say that a game has all those things, and act like all those aspects are awesome".

You won't like the game if you have never played Monster Hunter before and they just thrust you into the meat of the game, and you won't like the game if you think the tutorial is too long. Basically there are two kinds (maybe three?) people who do not like this game.

Group A) The people who made is past the 1* quests, fought some big monsters, do not like how tedious the game can be
Group B) The people who played only 1* quests and hated the game

and then...

Group C) The people who use either group A or Bs opinion to hate the game

Most people who have played Monster Hunter and didn't like it are group B, you can see this in a lot of reviews (worst being Gametrailers review of Monster Hunter Freedom, where they had to out right lie to try to prove their point). This includes Yahtzee. People like to point out flaws in people's opinions, that's why there are a lot of people pointing out this review.

It can be summed up that Yahtzee did not review the game, he reviewed the tutorial, which he doesn't like. The thing is, his review says this is what the whole game is like, which it is not.

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

People trying to defend this game made me hate the game way more than anything yahtzee said. Anything that got me into a conversation about the game's tutorial would. Infact, yahtzee actually defended the game way better than you did by mistake, because he said

but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield?

Which comfirmed that there actually are weapons other than sledge hammers, massive swords, massive spears, and all the other giant heavy slow shit. I was under the impression that all the weapons were heavy shit because: First some guy posted some youtube videos showing people beat bosses as if it were an arguement that the game doesn't suck (all of them with retardedly huge weapons), and then if I asked if all weapons are that huge no one bothered responding that they're not

How is this the game's fault then? Yes there other weapons. None of the weapons are slow and none of them are fast, in a sense. A weapon may attack more, but you'll almost never have time to attack that much or else the monster will hit you. A slow weapon, for example, may give you only 1 opportunity to attack, but you may do enough damage in that 1 attack than 3 of a faster weapon.

All the monsters are designed to be fought with every weapon. You don't need a fast weapon on a fast monster, it's all about timing and learning how the weapons work.

It isn't the game's fault. It is however, evidence of my claim that the very fans of this game make it sound worse than people arguing against it.

You say that now, but when a Dragon is clawing at your head and you're struggling to keep from getting wiped out, that one big hammer smash to the face in the enemy's breif opening is going to a look a lot nicer, and faster. This isn't God of War, a slow weapon works very well, if you just time your hits carefully.

I don't care , slow is boring. If the game is supposed to be fun because of the boss fights, and I can't enjoy the boss fights because of the heavy weapons, what's the point?

 

[Zeruun22]

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

People trying to defend this game made me hate the game way more than anything yahtzee said. Anything that got me into a conversation about the game's tutorial would. Infact, yahtzee actually defended the game way better than you did by mistake, because he said

but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield?

Which comfirmed that there actually are weapons other than sledge hammers, massive swords, massive spears, and all the other giant heavy slow shit. I was under the impression that all the weapons were heavy shit because: First some guy posted some youtube videos showing people beat bosses as if it were an arguement that the game doesn't suck (all of them with retardedly huge weapons), and then if I asked if all weapons are that huge no one bothered responding that they're not

Most of the weapons are HUGE. That's just how it goes. There's also Bowgunning, which is an entirely different experience. You know the thing about Sword and Shield though? It hits pretty weak compared to the bigger weapons (obviously), so you have to hit more often. Which is doable. But you also have to keep a variety of swords around because maximizing elemental damage is key to doing well with Sword and Shield. It's not exactly the best noob weapon.

I really don't care if it's the best weapon. Big heavy slow weapons bore me to death.

Sure is agree with yAHtzhee in here.

It's a good game, get over yourselves

Yes, how dare we agree with yahtzee that a game you like sucks. Obviously if you say it's a good game it must be, all mighty person with 10 posts.

u mad?

I mad

My problem is all you guys are basing your opinions off bad info and running with it. yes bigger weapons are slow, but so what they have extra benefits Great sword can cut off parts of the monsters and make it do a flip and scream in pain and shock, lances pierce and trip monsters, hammers daze monsters if you hit them in the head and burn up their stamina fast making them stand for awhile drooling in exhaustion. Youve never played this game so you dont really know if you dislike slow weapons because they cause statuses you might find amusing. And just in case you didnt see my earlier posts tutorial half hour if you just accomplish the objectives, sharpenss bad at first extra dmg when you get good sharpness, resources suck at first farmers do it for you later "Yay now I can just beat the crap out of monsters"

 

[BrilliantCircle]

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

Really?...I mean REALLY? That's your reason for arguing here? .. that is sad... at least, thank you for showing me that you don't really have any opinion on this game other then just to pissing other people off.

No, although now I'd love to piss you off. Since you're obviously an idiot who can't read.
My reason for arguing, is that people recommending this game make it sound like a terrible game. I don't care if I piss other people off.

The people who like this game couldn't make it sound worse to me if they planned it all in advance
"Hey! Let's find everything mike hates about games. Find a game with all those things or say that a game has all those things, and act like all those aspects are awesome".

You won't like the game if you have never played Monster Hunter before and they just thrust you into the meat of the game, and you won't like the game if you think the tutorial is too long. Basically there are two kinds (maybe three?) people who do not like this game.

Group A) The people who made is past the 1* quests, fought some big monsters, do not like how tedious the game can be
Group B) The people who played only 1* quests and hated the game

and then...

Group C) The people who use either group A or Bs opinion to hate the game

Most people who have played Monster Hunter and didn't like it are group B, you can see this in a lot of reviews (worst being Gametrailers review of Monster Hunter Freedom, where they had to out right lie to try to prove their point). This includes Yahtzee. People like to point out flaws in people's opinions, that's why there are a lot of people pointing out this review.

It can be summed up that Yahtzee did not review the game, he reviewed the tutorial, which he doesn't like. The thing is, his review says this is what the whole game is like, which it is not.

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

People trying to defend this game made me hate the game way more than anything yahtzee said. Anything that got me into a conversation about the game's tutorial would. Infact, yahtzee actually defended the game way better than you did by mistake, because he said

but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield?

Which comfirmed that there actually are weapons other than sledge hammers, massive swords, massive spears, and all the other giant heavy slow shit. I was under the impression that all the weapons were heavy shit because: First some guy posted some youtube videos showing people beat bosses as if it were an arguement that the game doesn't suck (all of them with retardedly huge weapons), and then if I asked if all weapons are that huge no one bothered responding that they're not

How is this the game's fault then? Yes there other weapons. None of the weapons are slow and none of them are fast, in a sense. A weapon may attack more, but you'll almost never have time to attack that much or else the monster will hit you. A slow weapon, for example, may give you only 1 opportunity to attack, but you may do enough damage in that 1 attack than 3 of a faster weapon.

All the monsters are designed to be fought with every weapon. You don't need a fast weapon on a fast monster, it's all about timing and learning how the weapons work.

It isn't the game's fault. It is however, evidence of my claim that the very fans of this game make it sound worse than people arguing against it.

Your thoughts are flawed though. I just explained that no weapon is actually slow in the game. Just because you are fighting a fast monster, does not mean there is no opportunities for a slow weapon to hit.

 

[t_rexaur]

I really don't care if it's the best weapon. Big heavy slow weapons bore me to death.

You'd probably prefer the sword and shield then. It's fast, you can dodge easily with it and you can even block some attacks. And you can, if you wanted, complete the game just using one, although you'd need to upgrade it. Longswords are pretty big but not really that slow.

The way the weapons work though is that each has strengths and weaknesses, and they are all different. Online it's best to have a team with 4 different weapons if you can manage it, although doubling up on some weapons is alright.

 

[deckai]

No, although now I'd love to piss you off. Since you're obviously an idiot who can't read.
My reason for arguing, is that people recommending this game make it sound like a terrible game. I don't care if I piss other people off.

Ha ha, that's really good ... really i can't argue with this twisted logic.

 

[Mindmaker]

No, although now I'd love to piss you off. Since you're obviously an idiot who can't read.

Really?
What about you posting some really uneducated statments, demanding or provoking a response and when given, ignoring it, while reposting the same bullshit on another page?

 

[BryceN]

Ok, I have to say that this thread blows my mind. It's a brawl between the (switches to high-pitched-voice) "Mneh, Mneh, Mneh, Yahtzee didn't like my game because he's bad at it and can't beat the tutorial," and the "Mneh Mneh, Mneh, People who play monster hunter tri are insecure for liking a game that Yahtzee dissed twice in a row!"

Seriously people, the thread is so incredibly repetitive, and it's about the opinion of a person most, if not all of you, will never meet in real life.

When Yahtzee points out something wrong with a game, he does so in a way that is extreme, and entirely based on his experience of 20(?) years or so of playing video games. He (thankfully) does not have the last say on whether a video game is good. That, dear readers, comes down to you.

So, in the spirit of not having anybody cut their ties with the Escapist community for a little nit-picky opinion war, everybody chill.

 

[Chunko]

I agree with him completely, if a game still sucks after four hours I drop it!

 

[mike1921]

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

Really?...I mean REALLY? That's your reason for arguing here? .. that is sad... at least, thank you for showing me that you don't really have any opinion on this game other then just to pissing other people off.

No, although now I'd love to piss you off. Since you're obviously an idiot who can't read.
My reason for arguing, is that people recommending this game make it sound like a terrible game. I don't care if I piss other people off.

The people who like this game couldn't make it sound worse to me if they planned it all in advance
"Hey! Let's find everything mike hates about games. Find a game with all those things or say that a game has all those things, and act like all those aspects are awesome".

You won't like the game if you have never played Monster Hunter before and they just thrust you into the meat of the game, and you won't like the game if you think the tutorial is too long. Basically there are two kinds (maybe three?) people who do not like this game.

Group A) The people who made is past the 1* quests, fought some big monsters, do not like how tedious the game can be
Group B) The people who played only 1* quests and hated the game

and then...

Group C) The people who use either group A or Bs opinion to hate the game

Most people who have played Monster Hunter and didn't like it are group B, you can see this in a lot of reviews (worst being Gametrailers review of Monster Hunter Freedom, where they had to out right lie to try to prove their point). This includes Yahtzee. People like to point out flaws in people's opinions, that's why there are a lot of people pointing out this review.

It can be summed up that Yahtzee did not review the game, he reviewed the tutorial, which he doesn't like. The thing is, his review says this is what the whole game is like, which it is not.

What about
Group D) People who use the opinion's of people who actually like the game. To hate it.

People trying to defend this game made me hate the game way more than anything yahtzee said. Anything that got me into a conversation about the game's tutorial would. Infact, yahtzee actually defended the game way better than you did by mistake, because he said

but now I've spotted some of those quick, whippy little bastards and want to switch to a shortsword and shield?

Which comfirmed that there actually are weapons other than sledge hammers, massive swords, massive spears, and all the other giant heavy slow shit. I was under the impression that all the weapons were heavy shit because: First some guy posted some youtube videos showing people beat bosses as if it were an arguement that the game doesn't suck (all of them with retardedly huge weapons), and then if I asked if all weapons are that huge no one bothered responding that they're not

How is this the game's fault then? Yes there other weapons. None of the weapons are slow and none of them are fast, in a sense. A weapon may attack more, but you'll almost never have time to attack that much or else the monster will hit you. A slow weapon, for example, may give you only 1 opportunity to attack, but you may do enough damage in that 1 attack than 3 of a faster weapon.

All the monsters are designed to be fought with every weapon. You don't need a fast weapon on a fast monster, it's all about timing and learning how the weapons work.

It isn't the game's fault. It is however, evidence of my claim that the very fans of this game make it sound worse than people arguing against it.

Your thoughts are flawed though. I just explained that no weapon is actually slow in the game. Just because you are fighting a fast monster, does not mean there is no opportunities for a slow weapon to hit.

I don't see how that makes it so it isn't slow. That just makes it so it's usable. I don't care if it's possible to hit a raptor with a sledgehammer that uses the sun as the blunt end. I want a sword of reasonable size and a shield if the game isn't going to ignore logic and make it so massive swords can be swung at a decent speed (I don't care if they do or not. As long as there are fast weapons in the game).

 

[shadowmarth]

Hey, you want an example of what the game's REALLY like? Ok, then I'll tell you. Recently me and a friend decided to finally get around to the online, and grind up the ranks quick as possible together to get to the cool shit. The online has a bit more grinding than the offline thanks to the odd and hilarious fact that it's on a subscription fee basis in Japan. Me and him added each other as friends and got to it, killing a whole mess of every monster up to the Rathian. The nice thing was that he was rolling with Switch Axe or Lance most of the time, and I was rolling with a paralyzing Hammer.

When we got to the point of doing the Rathian (large female Dragon, fire breath, poison tail, etc) capture quest, he went with the lance all the time, and we had a hell of a time. The two subquests were to damage its head, and sever its tail. Being a hammer user, I could not sever the tail, but was quite adept at injuring the head. My partner, using a Lance, was quite adept at severing the tail. So we'd race to see who could finish their subquest first, and it was always close. We would run circles around this huge fucking dragon, wailing on it constantly and chopping off bits of it. It was fun as hell.