I think reviews should have a system where they rate the campaign and multilayer separately and they give one rate with the combined ratings of both modes
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I felt the same way, the ODST cast seemed to at least have clearly different personalities, whereas Noble team had... different colored armor. Oh, and terribly shitty fake accents.Palademon said:
Not surprisingly, many of the deaths felt completely contrived, not least of which was
<spoiler=Just in case>The random bullet through the open roof. Who took the shot, and why? ONE bullet? Really? Seems like a perfect opportunity to introduce some sort of uber-antagonist which might have helped add to the story, but nope. We just needed her to die, RIGHT NOW.
I'm a bit irked by Yahtzee sayin MGS3 was the best in the series. I think 3 was when the series started to get too much for people.
I'd like to ask you people, do you think a boss that kills people with killer bees *okay*? What about the layers upon layers of Xanatos gambits that are tenuously toying with the very threads of probability and causality?
I'd like to ask you people, do you think a boss that kills people with killer bees *okay*? What about the layers upon layers of Xanatos gambits that are tenuously toying with the very threads of probability and causality?
So they should have lifted the plot from John Scalzi's Old Man's War quadrilogy instead? (Those aren't slave soldiers per se, but are definitely kept in the dark about the big picture.) Or maybe Warhammer 40K...Fronzel said:
A very difficult article to respond too. Each point balanced by another.
If I dispute your interpretation of the story with facts from other sources, I prove your point about ancillary media.
If I dispute your opinion on the weapons, vehicles, etc., I get to sound like an angry fanboy.
If I dispute your views on multiplayer, I'd just be a hypocrit.
Why do you have to make this so hard?!
Well, at least there are a couple things I can safely complain about.
Firefight was never mentioned. You said you reviewed "single player," not "campaign." So I was a bit surprised by this ommision since, unlike dedicated multiplayer options, this can be done solo.
As for the "spartan weighs a ton" thing, it seems reasonable to assume that they are not wearing a medieval plate. It's called "powered armor" for a reason.
...yeah, that's all I got.
If I dispute your interpretation of the story with facts from other sources, I prove your point about ancillary media.
If I dispute your opinion on the weapons, vehicles, etc., I get to sound like an angry fanboy.
If I dispute your views on multiplayer, I'd just be a hypocrit.
Why do you have to make this so hard?!
Well, at least there are a couple things I can safely complain about.
Firefight was never mentioned. You said you reviewed "single player," not "campaign." So I was a bit surprised by this ommision since, unlike dedicated multiplayer options, this can be done solo.
As for the "spartan weighs a ton" thing, it seems reasonable to assume that they are not wearing a medieval plate. It's called "powered armor" for a reason.
...yeah, that's all I got.
Halo is mediocre story/singleplayer that got scrapped by dev for the multiplayer platform. Seems to me that they should have just forgone the whole storyline thing and stuck with what people obviously play Halo for. At least thats what I feel from Reach. The storyline was half-assed, the plot weak and the characters boring. Why bother making a singleplayer at all? In the end, I still don't play Halo MP because I'm tired of the same game with "new" elements added in, and multiplayer hasn't changed all that much since the Quake days other than weaponry. Its still in the end a fragfest, pure and simple.
I say this because almost every mp game I join, whether be it CoD or Halo, it always devolves into kill the other team/players more. Even CTF or "bombing runs" still ends up with the objective being ignored while players run around killing each other. Once in a while I get on games that actually have people interested in doing things other than deathmatch... but logically speaking for all my experiences the face of MP FPS's has always been the same.
Either way, its easy to pan any FPS multiplayer because they're all pretty much the same game with different packaging. Is it any wonder some people might be bored of it or don't think it is anything special?
Anyway, I've always figured you have to review the game from both sides of the field, and if the multi-player is just as bland as the last game, and the story isn't that great and the characters are passionless faceless automatons you can't really connect with in any way, then no matter how pretty a sheen you put on the graphics and physics, the game itself can never be "great". It all ends up with the die-hard fanboys who can't admit the game they love so much isn't the greatest thing in the world screaming at everyone who disagrees with them.
I do find it fitting they ended Halo with Reach though, it kills the series just as much as it kills the characters in the game.
I say this because almost every mp game I join, whether be it CoD or Halo, it always devolves into kill the other team/players more. Even CTF or "bombing runs" still ends up with the objective being ignored while players run around killing each other. Once in a while I get on games that actually have people interested in doing things other than deathmatch... but logically speaking for all my experiences the face of MP FPS's has always been the same.
Either way, its easy to pan any FPS multiplayer because they're all pretty much the same game with different packaging. Is it any wonder some people might be bored of it or don't think it is anything special?
Anyway, I've always figured you have to review the game from both sides of the field, and if the multi-player is just as bland as the last game, and the story isn't that great and the characters are passionless faceless automatons you can't really connect with in any way, then no matter how pretty a sheen you put on the graphics and physics, the game itself can never be "great". It all ends up with the die-hard fanboys who can't admit the game they love so much isn't the greatest thing in the world screaming at everyone who disagrees with them.
I do find it fitting they ended Halo with Reach though, it kills the series just as much as it kills the characters in the game.
I agree with his points about the story. Especially because nobody seemed to be all that bothered about the covenant invading the planet. I know humans had experience with the covenant before (the fall of Harvest if you will) because I read the books, but even then it didn't make much sense why they allready seemed to know how every bit of covenant technology functionned. It must have been even more bewildering for newcomers to the series! Still, all things considered I like the game. The gameplay might not have changed much over the years, it still WORKS. In fact it works better than most other games out there. And multiplayer-wise I think Bungie outdid themselves again...even though we could use some new multiplayer-environments ;-)
Boy, "Like" and "Hate" seem to be such heavy words these days.
OT: I'll offer my super-special bonus to the whole Imposter-Professor Layton reply comment or whatever. I've always thought Multiplayer games and modes were kept sometime solely- interesting in the same way Sports are, where it's not necessarily the game's rules to play, but how the uncountable number of different strategies and moves can be used to best your opponent while still following them. While the vareity in that constrained enviroment can get old after a while, It's how I managed to play excessive amounts of "Catch" for the past years. I guess you can play by yourself in that game, though i'd still file it under Multiplayer dependent.
...Though I guess it doesn't matter, as both options are usually always present.
Otherwise, the article was a seemingly-nice followup on a game I haven't followed since the beginning of the third one. Wish I had some spending money to decide on my own... ^^
OT: I'll offer my super-special bonus to the whole Imposter-Professor Layton reply comment or whatever. I've always thought Multiplayer games and modes were kept sometime solely- interesting in the same way Sports are, where it's not necessarily the game's rules to play, but how the uncountable number of different strategies and moves can be used to best your opponent while still following them. While the vareity in that constrained enviroment can get old after a while, It's how I managed to play excessive amounts of "Catch" for the past years. I guess you can play by yourself in that game, though i'd still file it under Multiplayer dependent.
...Though I guess it doesn't matter, as both options are usually always present.
Otherwise, the article was a seemingly-nice followup on a game I haven't followed since the beginning of the third one. Wish I had some spending money to decide on my own... ^^
Almost right. He's super troll so selective-mindedness works better.kael013 said:
Besides, this site is muti-user so it doesn't count. I much prefer sites that let you separate yourself from the world and keep your opinions to yourself. Why am I sharing my opinion of this site then? Because I am using all of you. OMG! I just turned into Nazi, Yahtzee's web-page reviewing twin who's name ironically rhymes with his!
Yahtzee makes it sound as bad as Twilight.
Another case of developers making bad sequels. "cough cough bioshock cough"
Halo Combat Evolved was great in terms of story but as for the franchise, I started having doubts for future titles after a little ways into Halo 2. Stopped caring all together after Halo 3.
I thought 2 was like a stepping stone to a more interesting immersive story with fun creative changes in combat.
Keyword:"thought"
Another case of developers making bad sequels. "cough cough bioshock cough"
Halo Combat Evolved was great in terms of story but as for the franchise, I started having doubts for future titles after a little ways into Halo 2. Stopped caring all together after Halo 3.
I thought 2 was like a stepping stone to a more interesting immersive story with fun creative changes in combat.
Keyword:"thought"
You're right, it's not subjective, it's just plain wrong. There is no multiplayer menu. There is a main menu, with Campaign, Matchmaking, Firefight, Custom games, Forge, and Theatre.Akalabeth said:
You can play Firefight in multiplayer, correct. In the same way as you can play the Campaign in multiplayer.