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He can't help but review games with multi player because multiplayer games are ubiquitous.Uber Waddles said:
The problem with buying the game JUST for multiplayer seems ridiculous, especially if it's a full priced game. You're willing to pay 60 bucks for multi player alone? You might be ok with it, but some people, me included, think it's absolutely asinine to spend 60 dollars on a game with mediocre single player that only lasts 5 hours because the developers decided to cop out and make it mostly multi player. This is why Valve is so awesome, their games are either strictly single player or strictly multiplayer online and you never pay 60 bucks for them. I paid 30 dollars for the orange box and got Half Life 2, Ep1, ep2, TF2 and CS:S only costs 20 bucks. I'm definitely getting my moneys worth with them.
My point is that Valve doesn't split their attention when making a game, they focus on single player or online. Even EA is doing a better job with some of their online games, Battlefield Bad Company 2 AND Medal of Honor had 2 different studios working on it, one does the single player and the other does the multiplayer.
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I ignore what little the Halo Series is trying to say but the whole Jorge and that Doctor thing is annoyingly stupid, I would have though Yahtzee would get it since he is, after all, a british person.
I can't believe the number of people who think Jorge's mother is the doctor. Ignoring the fact that spartans are cut off from all family and indoctrinated into the military (explaining their suicide bomber esque fanaticism). Jorge isn't saying "mum" he is saying "mam" as in a mother figure or a respected older woman. Has no one here seen a single episode of "The Bill"?
Granted that she is a mother figure and a key part in raising Jorge into the Spartan he is, but she isn't his biological mother and the number of people I have to explain that too is getting annoying.
And I don't even care about the Halo Universe.
I can't believe the number of people who think Jorge's mother is the doctor. Ignoring the fact that spartans are cut off from all family and indoctrinated into the military (explaining their suicide bomber esque fanaticism). Jorge isn't saying "mum" he is saying "mam" as in a mother figure or a respected older woman. Has no one here seen a single episode of "The Bill"?
Granted that she is a mother figure and a key part in raising Jorge into the Spartan he is, but she isn't his biological mother and the number of people I have to explain that too is getting annoying.
And I don't even care about the Halo Universe.
How can you complain about the spazztarded physics etc whilst raving about the fact that it's not like all the other realistic shooters?
and companies spend just as much time on designing/building multiplayer levels and maps and making sure the user experience is enjoyable with new and innovative products as they do on single player, especially those like HALO and COD that revolve around it, so dismissing it entirely from a game is childish. For someone so eager to embrace new gaming revelations and going on about how it's the medium of the future, you seem rather sceptical to embrace such an important breakthrough that is social gaming.
and companies spend just as much time on designing/building multiplayer levels and maps and making sure the user experience is enjoyable with new and innovative products as they do on single player, especially those like HALO and COD that revolve around it, so dismissing it entirely from a game is childish. For someone so eager to embrace new gaming revelations and going on about how it's the medium of the future, you seem rather sceptical to embrace such an important breakthrough that is social gaming.
And yet, millions of dollars were invested into designing, writing, and programming the single player campaign. There's no excuse for just making that suck because "well, people will get it for the multiplayer".Cowabungaa said:
If the only thing that's been good about the Halo series has been the Multiplayer then why should I or anyone fork over $60 so I can play the exact same thing but with jetpacks? If that's all this was about they could have saved a lot of money on both ends just by making it an expansion pack.
Wow, what a worthless 'article', to follow up a rather mundane review.
So let's see, Yahtzee refuses to play the multiplayer, the aspect gamers likely spend at least 60% of the their game time playing. Hell a bunch of the online-players haven't even touched the Halo 3 campaign. Some folks just aren't interested, and Bungie seem to pay a lot more attention to the multiplayer.
So instead he pays attention to the story, only he hasn't bothered to play much, if any, of the previous games, neither has he glanced at the canon.
I doubt Mass Effect 2's story is abundantly clear to people who haven't played the first, Y'know why?
- The game has sold many, many copies.
- The history/canon is available online, for free.
- Boring the fans (the people games like this are generally aimed at), with details they already know about, isn't good storytelling.
Granted, Halo: Reach doesn't sound like a great game, I haven't touched it in fact, yet it is clear that Yahtzee is making bad judgements on a game he wrong foots from the start.
Complaining about a game being mediocre, and then making a mediocre review and follow up statement which ignores the most important facets of the game, is poor conduct for a reviewer.
So let's see, Yahtzee refuses to play the multiplayer, the aspect gamers likely spend at least 60% of the their game time playing. Hell a bunch of the online-players haven't even touched the Halo 3 campaign. Some folks just aren't interested, and Bungie seem to pay a lot more attention to the multiplayer.
So instead he pays attention to the story, only he hasn't bothered to play much, if any, of the previous games, neither has he glanced at the canon.
I doubt Mass Effect 2's story is abundantly clear to people who haven't played the first, Y'know why?
- The game has sold many, many copies.
- The history/canon is available online, for free.
- Boring the fans (the people games like this are generally aimed at), with details they already know about, isn't good storytelling.
Granted, Halo: Reach doesn't sound like a great game, I haven't touched it in fact, yet it is clear that Yahtzee is making bad judgements on a game he wrong foots from the start.
Complaining about a game being mediocre, and then making a mediocre review and follow up statement which ignores the most important facets of the game, is poor conduct for a reviewer.
You realize that without online enabled you get more credits for firefight? That being the case, if you are going to get the full feel for single player you have to disconnect yourself from Xbox Live. This point you made completely ignores the point of the post you took time to quote. (Single-player vs. Multiplayer vs. "I dont like Firefight")Oh That Dude said:
Woah partner, don't get me wrong, I didn't react on the Halo part, just that statement. I haven't actually played Halo: Reach (sadly) so I'll reserve my judgement on that one.Stevepinto3 said:
I personally loved the campaign of the previous Halo's though, except ODST's, but that's because I didn't play that. Hoped that one would blow a fresh wind through the series, but it didn't. Halo 3 all over again, and I kinda longed for something fresh.
So instead of being a steroid pumped super soldier, you would rather play as a Marine. A man, who without all the steroid pumped super soldiers running around, would be dead ten seconds after stepping onto the battlefield? Why not just play Call of Duty then?Shihan2 said:
Personally, I can't relate to anyone who regenerates health by walking over a health pack, or anyone that only jumps 10 feet in the air as opposed to the 40 feet Spartans seem to manage. If you change it to a marine, it would just feel like ODST where your Stamina's basically your shields and your health is your health. You're still taking about 20 shots before you die, so you're still a steroid pumped super soldier.
Oh, nice use of one of Shamus's "You have to know every detail from every form of media even remotely related to the game before you can review it" thing from his Fanboy Guide.
Why are so many of the posts here "Ive never played Halo(and proud of it!), but its gay and for morons with undescended testicles." Ignorance isn't a reason a game sucks. At least Yahtzee has the deceny to go through the game before condemning it.
Yes the story is disappointing that they didn't do more. That's my only problem with it. I love the multiplayer, because I can dig the modes that dont require a fully cooperating team- Team Swat and Rumble Pit, plus the firefight modes.
The core gameplay hasn't changed. Huh, ya know I think thats why it's the core, and they add to it not mess with it. I mean, they've sold a couple million of these things right? So obviously many people are entertained by it. They've added jet packs and armor lock, and messed with some weapons. I love reach the second most of all the Halo's. Still doesn't beat the original in my book.
Yes the story is disappointing that they didn't do more. That's my only problem with it. I love the multiplayer, because I can dig the modes that dont require a fully cooperating team- Team Swat and Rumble Pit, plus the firefight modes.
The core gameplay hasn't changed. Huh, ya know I think thats why it's the core, and they add to it not mess with it. I mean, they've sold a couple million of these things right? So obviously many people are entertained by it. They've added jet packs and armor lock, and messed with some weapons. I love reach the second most of all the Halo's. Still doesn't beat the original in my book.
i'm not surprised Halo Reach is rather boring.
I actually just picked up Halo Combat Evolved for PC about a week or two ago. I'm honestly falling asleep. All I've done so far is drive bots around, infiltrate a base alone, then go back to babysitting retards again. I can't believe people have been finding this stimulating. Haven't done multiplayer yet, but I have L4D which I just like better from a multiplayer stand-point.
I actually just picked up Halo Combat Evolved for PC about a week or two ago. I'm honestly falling asleep. All I've done so far is drive bots around, infiltrate a base alone, then go back to babysitting retards again. I can't believe people have been finding this stimulating. Haven't done multiplayer yet, but I have L4D which I just like better from a multiplayer stand-point.
Too bad that Yahtzee will never delve into these comments deep enough to actually engage in a reasonable discourse. But all the same, I must thank him for validating my commentary about how he approaches his reviews from an already biased (pro- or con-) position.
Yahtzee (and yes, I would say this to your face): You are a HELL of an entertainer... but a piss-poor 'critic'.
Yahtzee (and yes, I would say this to your face): You are a HELL of an entertainer... but a piss-poor 'critic'.
