More on Halo: Reach

[zahr]

Why are so many people complaining about Yahtzee not liking to play online multiplayer?

Because it would be like if I came along and said I didn't like a JRPG because the roleplaying elements are shit. Yes, the game might have other good stuff, but the core of an RPG is that you get to pick dialogue options and affect the game's plot, and if that stuff is absent and I'm looking for an RPG then clearly the game is shit.

Likewise, if someone comes to play a shooter with a good singleplayer experience (though seeing as Yahtzee enjoyed HL2 I think his standards are remarkably low) and all it has is multiplayer, then clearly it's not very good by their criteria.

 

[Tonythion]

It's true, Reach wasn't the best Halo game, and it didn't do a lot to explain...well...anything.

If anyone already explained this, sorry I didn't feel like going through five pages of fan boy bashing.

There are Spartan IIs and Spartan IIIs. Dr. Hasley, the one Jorge calls Ma'am, is the person who made the first set of spartans and the spartan IIs. She kidnapped around 77 six year old children (the brightest and strongest) and had them go through training and bio-enhancemnts. So she's known them basically all their lives, hence why they like her so much. The rest of the team were made by the ONI (government)so there is nothing else to say there.

On Yahtzee saying that even though they weigh a ton they float around, its because they are super strong, I mean chief could run around as fast as a cheetah. What I do find funny though is how the Pelicans and other vehicles could support six spartans. But...yeah w/e.

Yahtzee you were nitpicking in your game review, your first complaint was that they didn't fall off the air ships when they took off? Oh and it would have been better if everything stayed in first person, and none of the characters had any real personality. Even with all the flaws I still liked the game and I will always be a fanboy.

 

[Zen-Riddler]

I agree completely with yahtzee that games should stand on their single player, as it's a true test of a developers ability to design the environment and AI. To rely on the multi-player side of things is to rely on players finding the right balance between themselves and disown any need for the developer to balance the game - let's just switch god-mode on and have done with it, if we don't care about game balancing.

A side issue of the current trend for cover based shooters is that it has redeuced AI to the level of 'where is cover -> there is cover -> head there' and each firefight feeling like it's been copy and pasted from the last.

However, where I completely disagree with yahtzee is that I think regenerating health (though stupid from a plot point of view) gives games a greater sense of freedom - rather than constantly searching for health packs and quicksaving afterwards. Admit it to yourself PC gamers, we all do it!

 

[Sennz0r]

I noticed that too, but what was Jorge's comment on "been hers half my life" about then? That would certainly imply she was his mother, or at least the person who looked after him half his life.

Interesting though, you think the pronunciation was off, while I think the subtitles are wrong

As a Spartan-II, Jorge was kidnapped at a young age and replaced with a flash-grown clone. He would not know his mother and it definitely wouldn't be Dr. Halsey. Of course, this is backstory, so for people who're just into run'n'gun and don't enjoy reading (like you, or Yahtzee) it's certainly wasted.

And yes, their training regimens are remarkably like suicide bombers. Both Spartan-IIs and Spartan-IIIs are fully prepared to die for their cause.

Ok now you're just being insulting. Just because I never got around to reading a Halo novel doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading.
I never felt the need to read any of it because I don't play Halo for the story. The in-game story lines are not that good, so when I have time to read a book I make sure the story appeals to me enough so I'm prepared to set aside a few hours to read it.

I like the Campaign of Halo: Reach. It's fun, the story makes sense and it ties in very nicely with what I already know of the goings on with Master Chief and Cortana. I also appreciate Bungie's effort to reward their more dedicated fans with references to the backstory of the Halo universe, and it might even get people who play Halo just for the fun of it more interested in the backstory. I probably won't be reading any of the novels though. Like I said I feel there are more interesting books out there.

That doesn't mean I appreciate being called a person who's only interested in run 'n gun and who doesn't enjoy reading.
Really? Just because I don't read those particular novels? Nice assumption.

 

[zahr]

Ok now you're just being insulting. Just because I never got around to reading a Halo novel doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading.

No, you just come across as that kind of person.

Plus, these are the Escapist forums - I occasionally come here for the same reasons I occasionally turn on my mic and talk to the XBL players.

 

[Jabberwock xeno]

Still not mention of Forge or Firefight?

Tsk...

 

[Sennz0r]

Ok now you're just being insulting. Just because I never got around to reading a Halo novel doesn't mean I don't enjoy reading.

No, you just come across as that kind of person.

Plus, these are the Escapist forums - I occasionally come here for the same reasons I occasionally turn on my mic and talk to the XBL players.

So because I made an assumption from a cutscene (which, mind you, was half right: I said she either was Jorge's mother or the person who looked after him half his life), you think I come across as a person who doesn't enjoy reading?

I can only assume that reason is to talk shit to people, because that's the kind of person you come across as right now.

 

[Misho-]

On the contrary my shirt makes me look not fat. I don't really care one way or another what ZP says. I do follow his reviews and the slightest bit of positive means the game is good.

Lol denying much? I mean having the slighest bit of positive and thinking the game is good is like getting your name right in a test and thinking you got a 100%... or something...

 

[00slash00]

I dont care for halo, but I do care about multiplayer. Most fps games released these days use their singleplayer as a kind of tour of the environments, weapons and mechanics. Notable exceptions exist, but for the most part multiplayer games are the core of gaming today.

wait, are you saying thats a good thing? because thats exactly the reason i dont buy many current gen games. because i play a game for the single player (the part that is supposed to be the meat and potatoes of the game) and only play multiplayer in very short doses

 

[Sennz0r]

So because I made an assumption from a cutscene (which, mind you, was half right: I said she either was Jorge's mother or the person who looked after him half his life), you think I come across as a person who doesn't enjoy reading?

I can only assume that reason is to talk shit to people, because that's the kind of person you come across as right now.

To see easily-angered kiddies get mad. And look - it worked!

That's right completely ignore the question and continue insulting me.
It's my fault for descending to the level of insults, but you could at least be reasonable and explain yourself like I have. And I mean really explain yourself. Not saying you come here for the same reason to turn on your mic on XBL.
If you can't do that, have fun with the rest of your trolling.

EDIT: Ah well it's my fault for feeding trolls. Should've known better, but they wear their disguises so well

 

[00slash00]

Why are so many people complaining about Yahtzee not liking to play online multiplayer?

Because it would be like if I came along and said I didn't like a JRPG because the roleplaying elements are shit. Yes, the game might have other good stuff, but the core of an RPG is that you get to pick dialogue options and affect the game's plot, and if that stuff is absent and I'm looking for an RPG then clearly the game is shit.

Likewise, if someone comes to play a shooter with a good singleplayer experience (though seeing as Yahtzee enjoyed HL2 I think his standards are remarkably low) and all it has is multiplayer, then clearly it's not very good by their criteria.

its interesting, the only people i know who hate half-life 2 are halo fanboys.

but anyway, keep in mind, yahtzee gives OPINIONS, not reviews. if he reviews a popular jrpg but hates elements of jrpgs, then he damn well better pan the game (and he has). if he plays a shooter with a shitty single player mode, and only plays the single player because he doesnt enjoy multiplayer, then its the designers fault for making such a flimsy single player experience. i think his point is that current gen games should be making a more rounded gaming experience. im sick to death of single player campaigns that i can finish in an afternoon

 

[chowderface]

I was usually the ball and chain he mentioned at the beginning of the article, but this had less to do with the fact that my little brother (the only person around to actually play games like Halo with) was better than me (although he certainly was, since he gave enough of a shit to be), and more to do with the fact that occasionally I like to stop and goof around sometimes when I'm playing video games. He usually threatened to teamkill me when I tried to do this in multiplayer. This ended up biting him in the ass when I stopped playing with him altogether, even when he started promising he wouldn't teamkill me for wanting to go look at that pretty thing over there.

 

[spartan1077]

On the contrary my shirt makes me look not fat. I don't really care one way or another what ZP says. I do follow his reviews and the slightest bit of positive means the game is good.

Lol denying much? I mean having the slighest bit of positive and thinking the game is good is like getting your name right in a test and thinking you got a 100%... or something...

FIrst off- welcome to the escapist

Secondly- no. I direcct more attention to education than to videogames. If it looks fun Ill try it out. I can't have fun on a test or try it out. Reviews are important to not waste money but shouldn't be used as the only opinion.

 

[00slash00]

i thought this article was much better than his actual video (not that the video wasnt funny too)

 

[Sneaklemming]

I dont care for halo, but I do care about multiplayer. Most fps games released these days use their singleplayer as a kind of tour of the environments, weapons and mechanics. Notable exceptions exist, but for the most part multiplayer games are the core of gaming today.

wait, are you saying thats a good thing? because thats exactly the reason i dont buy many current gen games. because i play a game for the single player (the part that is supposed to be the meat and potatoes of the game) and only play multiplayer in very short doses

Its simply personal preference.

 

[Toeys]

Of course you don't like Halo Reach. You're a brit, you don't like anything. My british girlfriend has taught me that about brits through the last 4 years.

Although i agree Halo is crap. It's been crap ever since bungie sold their soul to Microsoft. I actually wanna do a red alert intro and kill the guy who thought x box was such a great idea.

I bought an Xbox 360 on impulse presummer, and Halo ODST came with it along with some other shit games. I finally started playing on it after my computer and ps3 died at the same time. But a couple of days after i got the RROD problem. Although it was kinda a relief. ODST felt like Shogo for some reason, and that is pretty outdated. Nostalgia in all the wrong ways

And all my t-shirts make me look fat, cause i am fat. But i got a gf though, i don't need to be fit

 

[Chappy]

Of course you don't like Halo Reach. You're a brit, you don't like anything. My british girlfriend has taught me that about brits through the last 4 years.

Although i agree Halo is crap. It's been crap ever since bungie sold their soul to Microsoft. I actually wanna do a red alert intro and kill the guy who thought x box was such a great idea.

I have to disagree, I'm a brit and I actually do like cake and chocolate but that is all.

I thought Bungie sold their soul to Activision not Microsoft? and whats wrong with the Xbox hm?

 

[Frejon]

If I'm not misunderstanding here, he means that one of the players will be flung around as a weapon. used as a ball on a chain. :/

 

[Captain Bobbossa]

Don't blaim the shirt! It's all me!

 

[ilion]

Yahtzee is just so tired and predictable. I'm sick of hearing him blather on about how multiplayer doesn't matter. It sure as hell seems to matter to a lot of other people.

I've grown so tone deaf to Yahtzee's profanity-laced ramblings that they start to sound something like...

Spoiler: ...this.

I agree a bit with you, but I also think hes right, I ve always liked single player games better than multiplayer ones. Its all about if you want a decent story or not, i sure as hell liked to play call of duty on the net, will I remember call of duty as i will remember thief or system shock 2?