Morrowind 2011 Mod Collection Pulled After Complaints

[mechanixis]

Oh good, you got it taken down. Someone almost played all those mods you designed! That would have been terrible?

Seriously, what is the point here? He wasn't making money, the modders aren't making money, and he was completely interested in giving credit where it was due. Threats of legal action are empty because there's no money changing hands in any part of this dispute.

 

[Arctodus_Simus]

*Weeps for what might have been*

And thus Morrowind 2011 because the most reproduced Morrowind mod ever, spread around by countless 3rd parties who were all quoted as saying "seriously, fuck those guys."

I can only hope, and see if I can find it.

:'(

 

[Jymm]

Tyler Smith(aka Warwon at You-tube) the master compiler of Morrowind-2011 is still active. His new home is http://morrowind2011.ultimaaiera.com/ which has been mentioned before. At Ultimaaiera you can find his work in progress of a newer better Morrowind - 2011. As to the original file I found mine by googling for it's torrent. After you get the file tho, you'll still need the install guide which can be found at Smith's new site.

 

[LastDarkness]

I love these little quandries. No one is the right here and both parties have full justification. Defend or deny it all you want the fact remains that the players and people who would apprciete the mod and experince Morrowind anew are screwed.

 

[Glademaster_v1legacy]

Well I can understand if he didn't ask permission but even then it is a bit much to not just let him change it. He did according to article or atleast how I read it he would of accredit the mod creators. Also everything was made for free no money was being made from it so it isn't really that bad not like pirating a game.

 

[loremazd]

So you think it's perfectly fine to completley disregard the efforts of modders?

They're essentially releasing something they have no rights to do so. The onus is on Bethesda to regulate mods and the community as they see fit. So really in the end, that's the opinion that matters.

He didn't... he gave them credit...Just as they did for Bethesda. They can't enforce how their work is used seeing as they don't own any rights to it.

Bethesda can. And they did. Really should be the end of it, IMO.

Well first off, I doubt bethesda as a company ever got involved in this. Far more likely that popular forum modders reported this guy, and the forum mods like those guys.

 

[Canid117]

Wrong buddy.

Actually I think you'll find you're wrong on this front. There're more than enough posts explaining why on this thread for me to bother to explain...again...

See post 390 for example.

The works of these modders is still in the public domain as the creators did not copy right the work. They cant copy right the work because it would conflict with the copyrights already owned by Bethesda. The modders do not have legal authority to sue.

 

[D_987]

The works of these modders is still in the public domain as the creators did not copy right the work. They cant copy right the work because it would conflict with the copyrights already owned by Bethesda. The modders do not have legal authority to sue.

There're a hell of a lot of files in that package that aren't owned by Bethesda, see pretty much every new texture implemented into the game that would have been created by external programs and thus fall outside Bethesda's copyright. That shouldn't be the argument here - the modders are technically able to sue. This argument should be about if they should've threatened such actions.

 

[Canid117]

The works of these modders is still in the public domain as the creators did not copy right the work. They cant copy right the work because it would conflict with the copyrights already owned by Bethesda. The modders do not have legal authority to sue.

There're a hell of a lot of files in that package that aren't owned by Bethesda, see pretty much every new texture implemented into the game that would have been created by external programs and thus fall outside Bethesda's copyright. That shouldn't be the argument here - the modders are technically able to sue. This argument should be about if they should've threatened such actions.

None of those files are copyrighted by the modders so they cant sue. Should they sue? I would have tried to compromise which I said in my first post. You would still be able to read it if you hadn't cut it off in your quote.

 

[D_987]

None of those files are copyrighted by the modders so they cant sue.

Ok, I'm going to ignore this post because it's inaccurate and was even explained in a post I directed you to earlier. If you wish to continue to sprout ignorance go ahead, I'd just rather you didn't repeat the same, inaccurate, point over and over as though I hadn't already responded to it three times...

Should they sue? I would have tried to compromise which I said in my first post. You would still be able to read it if you hadn't cut it off in your quote.

I wasn't asking for your opinion on the matter, merely stating that the argument should involve this and not the point you keep attempting to raise.

 

[Canid117]

Should they sue? I would have tried to compromise which I said in my first post. You would still be able to read it if you hadn't cut it off in your quote.

I wasn't asking for your opinion on the matter, merely stating that the argument should involve this and not the point you keep attempting to raise.

You mean the point that you brought up?

 

[D_987]

You mean the point that you brought up?

Yes, on pages one and two respectively [the two places you originally quoted me from], before the laws and copyright issues had been discussed to death...you quoted me and restarted the conversation.

Arguing about this now is pointless, the information you seek will be on one of the other 10 pages within the thread, and indeed is on this page too. As stated, the evidence suggests you're incorrect.

 

[Caiti Voltaire]

None of those files are copyrighted by the modders so they cant sue. Should they sue? I would have tried to compromise which I said in my first post. You would still be able to read it if you hadn't cut it off in your quote.

Copyright exists in the United States - which is the jurisdiction for any legal action for Bethesda-related things - from the inception of a creative work.

Whether or not textures and models can be considered creative works, and thus copyrighted from inception, as well as whether or not these textures and models can be considered derivative works of Bethesda Softworks IP, is something for the lawyers to figure out in a court of law. No manner of speculation is going to really reconcile whether or not this would be the case otherwise, as precedents have been set on both sides of this issue.

 

[Mercsenary]

What. The. Fuck?

What the hell happened here? Was someone making money from this?

...
Now I just wanna take the internet down as a whole and cure it from this sickening cancer.

Nope just the coders and programmers of various mods felt they were snubbed by not being asked for permission to be included in the package.

I mean its not like this guy put the package up and said "LOOK WHAT I MADE." No it was more of "Look! I took all these mods and managed to make them not explode with each other."


Hell I think right now the greatest thing he can do right now to give a giant F U to those butthurt folks is post how he altered the mods to make them not explode.


I mean its not like this guy even made money off it.

complainants weren't interested in "reaching a middle ground."

Now you guys(mod authors) are being dicks.

 

[Denamic]

Son, I am disappoint.
Yeah, sure, the authors should have been asked for permission.
But this kind of reaction is just way, way, overboard.

 

[Cyberjester]

You know.. For years I've ranted against companies like Microsoft, Bungie, etc for sending lawyers against anyone who violates their copyright and releases a game they have no plans on doing so. Bungie when some modders created a Halo RTS in C&C: Generals.

Which Bungie then totally ruined with their... Thing.

But this.. Hell with modders if they're going to be this up themselves, burn the servers holding the mods. They messed with someone else's IP and Bethseda was ok with that. Then someone compiles mods so people are more likely do download them, and they crack it.. 'Tards. The only way I'll now play a MW mod is to pull out every single error and blast them for it.

 

[maturin]

Why is this 400 goddamn pages long? I know it's all digital and hence ephemeral, but in the ES modding community you don't download, modify re-release other people's work without their express permission. In fact, you could probably get rid of the first part of this sentence and call it good.

It would have killed him to use email? He obviously has enough talent to recreate the work of the few people that would have denied him.

 

[Vault Citizen]

Is the mod package still available?

 

[kingmob]

I love these little quandries. No one is the right here and both parties have full justification. Defend or deny it all you want the fact remains that the players and people who would apprciete the mod and experince Morrowind anew are screwed.

This exactly. And for that reason I am on the side of the author. I can really see no downside to his mod for the original authors. It is played more (because it actually bloody works without 2 days work), it was always free and they are getting the credit.
But now that they've all started crying so hard like little children, overreacting in such a spectacular way, they will also never back down. Way to kick someone who actually took the effort to make it all better.

In the end this is the kind of weirdness why there will never be world peace I guess...

 

[agnosticOCD]

There's no profit here, nor is there a profit incentive at all, and the mods were available first for free even before this compilation came out. This just killed me inside man. That was just a real shame. Whether or not there was permission, legal action is just too harsh, and it certainly ruined a great opportunity, and it is UNJUSTIFIED UNLESS HE HAD PROFIT IN HIS MIND, which there isn't... Well, nevertheless, at least I'll still get to play Morrowind in its original state, unaltered and still wonderful.