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LostGryphon said:
Legion said:
I don't know. She has had a screwed up life, but she is fairly well adjusted considering. In the end (last episode) she seems relatively happy after meeting Madoka's younger brother. Obviously she is not "happy" with what happened, but she doesn't appear to be screwed up herself.

I do love that anime, especially as I wasn't expecting it to be anything like it was.
Well, I view it like this...

She spent, literally, years of her life obsessing over saving her friend to the point of near insanity and crippling suicidal depression.

It counts to me, lol.
I never got either of those from her.
The obsession, yes. That's self evident.

I never saw her as insane, I honestly do not know where you get the impression from. It's not like Sayaka where she starts to crack. She behaves coldly because she has become hardened from seeing her friends die repeatedly, and because she understands that being their friends is not going to help them. She needs to concentrate on saving them.

That is entirely rational, she is thinking clearly, although very coldly and calculating.

Sadness, sure, but she never seemed suicidal or depressed. Her obsession over saving Madoka was pretty much her driving force, so she didn't really come across as depressed or suicidal. Not by the clinical definitions anyway. Depression requires a feeling of helplessness. She is frustrated that she keeps failing, but she is determined to succeed, so she isn't feeling helpless, except maybe at the very end for a brief moment. I do not recall any part where she expresses any suicidal thoughts, perhaps I missed that.

I'd say that given her circumstances she has every right to be screwed up, but I never got the impression that she actually was.

I'd say Sayaka is a much better example, considering what happens to her.
 

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Legion said:
I never got either of those from her.
The obsession, yes. That's self evident.

I never saw her as insane, I honestly do not know where you get the impression from. It's not like Sayaka where she starts to crack. She behaves coldly because she has become hardened from seeing her friends die repeatedly, and because she understands that being their friends is not going to help them. She needs to concentrate on saving them.

That is entirely rational, she is thinking clearly, although very coldly and calculating.

Sadness, sure, but she never seemed suicidal or depressed. Her obsession over saving Madoka was pretty much her driving force, so she didn't really come across as depressed or suicidal. Not by the clinical definitions anyway. Depression requires a feeling of helplessness. She is frustrated that she keeps failing, but she is determined to succeed, so she isn't feeling helpless, except maybe at the very end for a brief moment. I do not recall any part where she expresses any suicidal thoughts, perhaps I missed that.

I'd say that given her circumstances she has every right to be screwed up, but I never got the impression that she actually was.

I'd say Sayaka is a much better example, considering what happens to her.
Just to clarify.

Perhaps "insanity" wasn't the proper term I was looking for. Wit's end, maybe? I didn't mean to imply that she was insane or close to it throughout the course of the series, I was more referring to near the ending where giving up actually started to seem like it was a viable option for her and the realization that she really couldn't save Madoka was hitting home.

Homura is resolutely cold and calculating on the exterior, but she's pretty obviously spiraling as that composure gets chipped away at more and more until the end. As for suicidal thoughts? Same thing as the "insanity" comment. I'm mostly referring to near the end, where she's fighting a fight she can't win and is preordained to lose in an effort to save Madoka.

As for a less direct example, every time she was laying there with Madoka, the option remained to simply die rather than turn back the clock again for another go at what I can only describe as an exercise in utter despair. You can't tell me that the thought didn't cross her mind.

I'm just saying her and her circumstances are fucked up. At the end of the day, she survives and carries on, but her life and the fact she underwent a total transformation of her character in an effort to cope is awful. :/
 

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LostGryphon said:
Legion said:
I never got either of those from her.
The obsession, yes. That's self evident.

I never saw her as insane, I honestly do not know where you get the impression from. It's not like Sayaka where she starts to crack. She behaves coldly because she has become hardened from seeing her friends die repeatedly, and because she understands that being their friends is not going to help them. She needs to concentrate on saving them.

That is entirely rational, she is thinking clearly, although very coldly and calculating.

Sadness, sure, but she never seemed suicidal or depressed. Her obsession over saving Madoka was pretty much her driving force, so she didn't really come across as depressed or suicidal. Not by the clinical definitions anyway. Depression requires a feeling of helplessness. She is frustrated that she keeps failing, but she is determined to succeed, so she isn't feeling helpless, except maybe at the very end for a brief moment. I do not recall any part where she expresses any suicidal thoughts, perhaps I missed that.

I'd say that given her circumstances she has every right to be screwed up, but I never got the impression that she actually was.

I'd say Sayaka is a much better example, considering what happens to her.
Just to clarify.

Perhaps "insanity" wasn't the proper term I was looking for. Wit's end, maybe? I didn't mean to imply that she was insane or close to it throughout the course of the series, I was more referring to near the ending where giving up actually started to seem like it was a viable option for her and the realization that she really couldn't save Madoka was hitting home.

Homura is resolutely cold and calculating on the exterior, but she's pretty obviously spiraling as that composure gets chipped away at more and more until the end. As for suicidal thoughts? Same thing as the "insanity" comment. I'm mostly referring to near the end, where she's fighting a fight she can't win and is preordained to lose in an effort to save Madoka.

As for a less direct example, every time she was laying there with Madoka, the option remained to simply die rather than turn back the clock again for another go at what I can only describe as an exercise in utter despair. You can't tell me that the thought didn't cross her mind.

I'm just saying her and her circumstances are fucked up. At the end of the day, she survives and carries on, but her life and the fact she underwent a total transformation of her character in an effort to cope is awful. :/
Ah, I see what you mean.

Although I'd say it's one of the reasons that she is my favourite characters, it's quite sad to see the ending and realise that things didn't happen as she had hoped, but when you find out the truth about her, it was an amazing moment.

I wonder what the next part of the series will be like. I have not see then two films, but am told they are basically a re-cap of the series. Then the third film will continue on.
 

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May from the movie May.

I fall in love with her completely messed up self every time i watch it.
 

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Legion said:
Ah, I see what you mean.

Although I'd say it's one of the reasons that she is my favourite characters, it's quite sad to see the ending and realise that things didn't happen as she had hoped, but when you find out the truth about her, it was an amazing moment.

I wonder what the next part of the series will be like. I have not see then two films, but am told they are basically a re-cap of the series. Then the third film will continue on.
She's one of my favorite characters too, actually. I'm a sucker for the quiet, strong willed type.

The movies are just that, recaps, and I haven't seen them, so I can't really offer an opinion either way. Reviews seem to indicate that they're pretty good though. :p
 

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LostGryphon said:
Legion said:
Ah, I see what you mean.

Although I'd say it's one of the reasons that she is my favourite characters, it's quite sad to see the ending and realise that things didn't happen as she had hoped, but when you find out the truth about her, it was an amazing moment.

I wonder what the next part of the series will be like. I have not see then two films, but am told they are basically a re-cap of the series. Then the third film will continue on.
She's one of my favorite characters too, actually. I'm a sucker for the quiet, strong willed type.

The movies are just that, recaps, and I haven't seen them, so I can't really offer an opinion either way. Reviews seem to indicate that they're pretty good though. :p
As am I, especially seeing as in anime they seem to be a rarity. I guess it's also why I like Nagato Yuki from The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya.

I have not seen the films either, although that's because in the UK they have not been released in any shape or form as far as I am aware (UK is always slow for anime stuff -_-). I will watch them when I get the chance.

Anyway, heading off topic here so...

OT:

Lucy from Elfen Lied. She is pretty much the definition of a fucked up character, and she is also pretty awesome. Although I cannot stand her alternative personality.
 

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Rorschach from Alan Moore's Watchmen. I'm struggling to write why so instead I will implore you to read the graphic novel and watch the film. He's insane, but you may find yourself rooting for him.
I don't know about "insane" but he's certainly unorthodox, it's not like he's done anything he shouldn't have.
 

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Astrid,the leader of the Dark Brotherhood, in TESV: Skyrim.
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On one hand, she is a psychotic killer who wouldn't hesitate to kill an entire city if coin was in the deal.
On the other, she is a nice person overhaul, dealing with the initiates and fellow members as a family, and
killing herself when she lets them down by making a deal with the Penitus Occulatus. And even then one of the clauses was that the Brotherhood members wouldn't be killed, a promise the Penitus broke
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My replies will probably not differ from many others but I'll add my 2 cents anyway!

Jack from Mass Effect. No really, I think it was an interesting character with an interesting development, and something badly needed among all the "saintly" and/or "perfect" people.

Dexter Morgan. Not sure how much needs saying, he's Dexter Morgan. He's about as fucked up as it gets, and still manages to be one of the most interesting characters with interesting developments in..well...TV history.

The Joker. Insanity personified. Amazing insane character coupled with humour. Dark knight version is possibly the best movie example of him, much thanks to the actor. A shame that actor had to pass away, and that the joker character then ended up acting as inspiration to an actually insane person.
 

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Sander Cohen from Bioshock 1. I feel as though he's always forgotten because Andrew Ryan is such a damn good villain. Sander Cohen is an artist obessed with death a mortality and considers his masterpiece to be the frozen corpses of his failed apprentices. That's a bit fucked up if I say so myself.
 

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There may be characters who are far more fucked up, but nobody is fucked up in a more beautiful way than my beloved Oerba Dia Vanille.

She acts like a giddy little girl through the knowledge that almost every bad thing that's occurred throughout the story is somehow her fault. As the story progresses and the depth of Vanille's error becomes more apparent, she just becomes more emotionally fragile. All she ever wanted to do was make people happy.
 

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Psycomantis777 said:
Nouw said:
Rorschach from Alan Moore's Watchmen. I'm struggling to write why so instead I will implore you to read the graphic novel and watch the film. He's insane, but you may find yourself rooting for him.
I don't know about "insane" but he's certainly unorthodox, it's not like he's done anything he shouldn't have.
I suppose it isn't fair to call him insane because in a world like Watchmen, he can be viewed as the only sane one. Maybe mentally disturbed is a better term?
 

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Took three pages for Kefka to be mentioned.....

I fear for this world sometimes.
 

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Really? REALLY? Hannibal Lecter! He's just so... sinister. Honorable mention for Yagami Light.
 

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I loved Ladd Russo from Baccano!
Hell yeah! Not a day goes by where I don't quote him!

OT: I'll go with Nami from One Piece.

As a little girl, she had her mother figure killed in front of her by the pirate who enslaved her village, named Arlong. Arlong agreed to sell her village back to her if she could raise 100 million berries (the currency in that universe). He even brands her with a tattoo to remind her of her servitude. And on days when she's not risking her life trying to raise the money, she's forced to draw maps for Arlong.

Then just to be an asshole, Arlong gives away most of what Nami saved to corrupt Marines when she had only one voyage's worth of money left to get her village back.

This explains why she's so money hungry. She associates money with the hope of freeing her village. She denies this of course after everything blows over, but I don't buy it.
 

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Francis Dolarhyde from Red Dragon and Dennis Cleg from Spider.

Both characters portrayed heartbreakingly well by Ralph Fiennes (my favourite actor, if you couldn't tell) both wonderfully broken and misunderstood characters who can only be loved/pitied once you understand what happened to make them so twisted.
 

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To bring something new to this list, I'll go with two characters from a wonderful-wonderful flick True Romance:
Drexl Spivey, and Sicilian Mobster Vincenzo Coccotti (best mafioso role ever, imho).
Both (particularly, Drexl) defy description, you have to see it to believe it.

As Vincenzo calmly states in the conversation: "Go tell angels in heaven you've never seen evil so singularly personified, than in the face of the man who killed you."