Still sounds more like other people "puffing the movie up" and not the movie itself, or Nolan.Shanicus said:
I don't think it was ever meant to be more than a solid action movie.
Most intellectually insulting movies you can think of
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I don't think it was ever meant to be more than a solid action movie.
From all i've read, Nolan may have wanted Inception to be "a movie about how I make movies". The idea of a muse, immersing someone in a fantasy, the roles of crew members and the like are supposedly discussed. The following sites have itShanicus said:
5 Great Movies with Mind-Blowing Symbolism that You didn't notice (yes, its a Cracked article, no I don't think it's an invalid interpretation) [http://www.cracked.com/article_20497_5-great-movies-with-mind-blowing-symbolism-you-didnt-notice.html]
The Key to Inception: It's a movie about making movies [http://www.theawl.com/2010/07/the-key-to-inception-its-a-movie-about-making-movies]
As for why some would think it questions reality: the top scene. My two cents on it, the top is pointless. Cobb has faced his own past and guilt and is able to reach some sort of peace, even if fake. Whether the world is real or not is not the matter at question: he is happy and finally free of his biggest burden
On the topic of the OP, This is a minor nitpick but the trailer for the new movie "Lucy" still has the whole "only 10% of brain is used" thing. As a guy in college, that just rubs me the wrong way since all of the brain is active; some parts may be less active or only showing baseline activity but there is no part of the brain that is unused in day to day life. Semantically, if they said "only 10% of maximum processing capacity of the brain is used at most", I would be less pissed, a bit skeptical on how you can possibly find out the max processing capacity of the brain and how much is used, but still not a total lie.
P.S. Lucy seems to be an interesting movie regardless of the stupid line: good actors, special effects seem to be in top form, premise of a compound that enhances mental and physical capabilities of a human appeals to me as a Transhumanist and, if nothing else, we get to see Scarlet Johansson kicking ass in a movie other than the Marvel line
Oh I know, the ones that do not have a 3rd installment will be made eventually and it will suck.ecoho said:
I agree with Elysium, the trailers for it made it look badass untill you watch the actual movie
Ding ding ding ding ding!Shanicus said:
We have a winner.
Inception is such schlock
I can't place a single line in the whole movie that's not hamfisted exposition.
Every line is repeated 3 or 4 times. It's like the scientist guy will say something, then Joseph Gordon Levitt will repeat it in simpler words, then Ellen Page will say the same line again in language a 12 year old can understand Then maybe 15 or so minutes later Cob will say it again.
There's absolutely no attempt to characterize anyone beyond the broadest stock caricature, the rules they set up aren't consistent. The pacing is a fucking nightmare.
I'm glad at least 1 other person sees this movie for what it really is
I would say 2012, specially with those golden lines like "the neutrinos have mutated". But that would be to assume it had any intelligence to addressed my own; but that would be to give it too much credit...
Also Lady in the Water. Specially insulting because all the time it tries to act like it has some deeply symbolic script, while the symbolism is the kind it would sound trite coming from a 12 years old.
Also Lady in the Water. Specially insulting because all the time it tries to act like it has some deeply symbolic script, while the symbolism is the kind it would sound trite coming from a 12 years old.
Second. That movie made me feel stupid because I could not understand why It was apparently good; all I saw was a pretentious singularity. Same for Thin Red Line, but I understand those movies had amazing cinematography.jademunky said:
Personally, all of Adam Sandler's Post-Funny People movies. They make me feel so stupid I want to punch a brick wall because that has more intellectual challenge then his movies.
I really like the first Silent Hill movie. In my opinion it is the best video game adaption out there now. I was never huge into Silent Hill, but I definitely thought the movie was good as a movie.TwilitWolfAmaterasu said:
Pacific Rim. The premis, concept, and script is so dumb it offends me. The acting is shit, the writing is shit, the dialogue is cringe worthy, and even the effects are bad. Picking up a giant oil tanker to use as a club? Cause you know, it's not like it has structural weak points or anything.
...and written by Orci, Lindloff and Kurtzman.ColdinT said:Anything directed by J.J. Abrams.
I know there are plenty of other truly intellectually insulting films, but "Star Trek:Into Darkness" just jumps out at me.
Credibility was strained to the breaking point within the first few minutes of the movie.
If you want to hide a STARSHIP...a vehicle specifically designed for space travel...from an indigenous population that has yet to invent the telescope, wouldn't it be smarter to just park it IN ORBIT than hide it underwater?
The movie is just filled with stupid shit like that.
Just more proof that Abrams and his team are allergic to logic and don't get science fiction.
I'll add another vote for God's Not Dead.
Not only does it misportray the nonreligious, but it's extremely offensive to anyone in academia - especially philosophers. The philosophy professor in that movie is the antithesis of a any real philosophy professor anywhere in the world. I'd be very very surprised to find even one approaching the sort of mindless dogmatic egoism as the one portrayed in the movie. Then his inevitable coming to God as he's dying... it's completely bonkers.
There's a lot of bad movies and a lot of stupid movies out there. Prometheus assumes the audience can't follow a basic plot. Avatar assumes the audience can be emotionally manipulated with special effects. The latest Spiderman reboots assume an audience will swallow anything with a familiar franchise. Yet none of them misportray serious theological, philosophical, existential, or epistemological concerns as poorly as movies like God's Not Dead.
When Nietzsche said that God was dead (stealing the line from Hegel), what he meant was that belief in God and in the values of Christianity was dead. Movies like this are further evidence that he was right rather than a defense against his claim.
Not only does it misportray the nonreligious, but it's extremely offensive to anyone in academia - especially philosophers. The philosophy professor in that movie is the antithesis of a any real philosophy professor anywhere in the world. I'd be very very surprised to find even one approaching the sort of mindless dogmatic egoism as the one portrayed in the movie. Then his inevitable coming to God as he's dying... it's completely bonkers.
There's a lot of bad movies and a lot of stupid movies out there. Prometheus assumes the audience can't follow a basic plot. Avatar assumes the audience can be emotionally manipulated with special effects. The latest Spiderman reboots assume an audience will swallow anything with a familiar franchise. Yet none of them misportray serious theological, philosophical, existential, or epistemological concerns as poorly as movies like God's Not Dead.
When Nietzsche said that God was dead (stealing the line from Hegel), what he meant was that belief in God and in the values of Christianity was dead. Movies like this are further evidence that he was right rather than a defense against his claim.
If it helps, the only logical ending to that story is the actual earth army showing up and curb stomping the entire population of the planet for their attack on a company security team. Because this exact thing has happened before in history and as far as the general population knew the natives were violently opposed to any form of co-existence from the start.Torque2100 said:
I am very selective about films but often I cave in when it comes to going somewhere with friends so I got dragged to see the 3rd Pirates Of The Caribbean. Boy, was that a mistake. I think it even surpassed Batman & Robin in terms of wasted potential. Calypso was hyped throughout the movie and all she could do was create a giant whirlpool. The only thing that saved that movie was Depp. I mean yeah, everybody's dialogue sucked but he sort of reveled in how bad it was. All the rest with the possible exception of Barbossa sucked, sucked , sucked.
This just seems like a bit of a nitpick. Perhaps the crew had a reason for parking it underwater, perhaps they didn't. It's not shown because it isn't important. On top of that, the moment passes quite quickly. A far more egregious example from that film is Kahn's magic blood that can apparently bring things back to life which is both stupid and central to the plot.Zen Bard said:...and written by Orci, Lindloff and Kurtzman.ColdinT said:Anything directed by J.J. Abrams.
I know there are plenty of other truly intellectually insulting films, but "Star Trek:Into Darkness" just jumps out at me.
Credibility was strained to the breaking point within the first few minutes of the movie.
If you want to hide a STARSHIP...a vehicle specifically designed for space travel...from an indigenous population that has yet to invent the telescope, wouldn't it be smarter to just park it IN ORBIT than hide it underwater?
The movie is just filled with stupid shit like that.
Just more proof that Abrams and his team are allergic to logic and don't get science fiction.
On the whole though i still like the movie, and I actually think the script seems better than the product we end up with on screen since Abrams apparently doesn't know how to direct an action scene with any sort of tension. I though the conspiracy/mystery portion of the film worked quite well, that the film was on point thematically, and that the character interactions were fantastic.
*Bolded for emphasis*Eddie the head said:
I would just like to expand on this point; I hate any movie (or any piece of media) that fundamentally fucks up the point of evolution. Evolution is adaptation to our environment over time, not some kind of road leading to apotheosis. It has many branching paths, not a single fucking line. Seriously, looking at all of sci-fi, I am amazed how so many fuck this point up at a basic level. From Star Trek, to Neon Genesis Evengelion, and even Mass Effect (which I love to death) all fuck this up to one degree or another.
Some terrific examples have been mentioned already, and I won't repeat any of them. The Fantastic 4 films come to mind first. Everything about them is dumb, cliché crap. The second one especially is cringe-worthy.
It's also pretty intellectually insulting how Transformers movies make so much money.
Oh yeah, the third Transporter film as well. Of course the action is mindlessly stupid but the plot is too! And the female lead... oh man I wished for her death much more than any of the villains'.
It's also pretty intellectually insulting how Transformers movies make so much money.
Oh yeah, the third Transporter film as well. Of course the action is mindlessly stupid but the plot is too! And the female lead... oh man I wished for her death much more than any of the villains'.
Evolution isn't necessarily adaptation, Evolution is minor changes/mutations that lead to said thing with the mutation being better suited to its environment then those around it, so the mutant flourishes while the others will probably leave or die off, and then this leads to the mutated gene getting passed down.Happiness Assassin said:
If everything is equal and all have an equal chance the mutations can still happen, they just won't flourish as they would otherwise and it won't be nearly as prominent in the area.
As for the OP, I'm going to have to vote God's Not Dead, and I'm saying this as a Christian, that movie was insulting to watch, because the thing I absolutely hate is when you strawman those you are arguing against, which is exactly what that movie did with Atheists. That movie was nothing more than propaganda, and as such it gets me angrier than it just being a bad film.
I actually went to the movie theaters yesterday and was shown three trailer of three movies that are already insulting to me.
I won't bother listing the three (Sex Tape, Let's be Cops, 22 Jump Street) so I'll just mention one that I actually watched and that I was actually reminded of yesterday because of those trailers...
Good lord, Bad Teacher is the dumbest movie I've ever seen. It's insulting in every way. I don't know who this caters to, but I hope that audience they were aiming for does not actually exist, and everyone who watched it just didn't know what to expect (like me).
I won't bother listing the three (Sex Tape, Let's be Cops, 22 Jump Street) so I'll just mention one that I actually watched and that I was actually reminded of yesterday because of those trailers...
Good lord, Bad Teacher is the dumbest movie I've ever seen. It's insulting in every way. I don't know who this caters to, but I hope that audience they were aiming for does not actually exist, and everyone who watched it just didn't know what to expect (like me).