Most obvious plot hole.
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I would have to disagree about phoenix downs bringing people back form the dead. It brinsg people back from a state of unconsciouness (hence why the effect of the death spell is called KO- knocked out.) So if a phoenix down is seen as an item that brings people back from a state of unconsciousness, rather than an item the brings people back from death it makes sense.TurtleBay said:
If a phoenix down brings people back to life, then why would anybody ever die (including npcs) in any final fantasy game?
Okay it's not explained very well, but it is explained.LogicNProportion said:
The whole point of sneaking the ring into Mordor is to sneak it in.
It's explained several times that Saruman has spies everywhere and is shown to utilize the winds and flocks of Crows to his advantage.
Gandalf explains that Sauron is looking for the ring and the ring wants to be found and that their greatest advantage is that Sauron doesn't know where they are. Flying a bunch of Giant Eagles into the borders of Mordor would have been really obvious.
Exactly. Characters that fall in battle are incapacitated, disabled, wounded, knocked out or in some cases swooning, but never actually dead.the_baku_eats_dreams said:
Hence why not only Aeris but like half the playable cast of FF:IV are able to be killed without hope of resurrection
I just remembered one of my own, but it's not that obvious.
Star Trek: The Next Generation "The Measure of a Man." Starfleet wants to disassemble Data so they can reverse-engineer and mass-produce him. Data refuses, but Commander Bruce Maddox insists that Data can't because he's Starfleet property. Picard defends Data's rights as a sentient being at a tribunal. The judge advocate general concludes that Data is a person and subject to inalienable human rights.
Where's the plot hole? I believe Starfleet recognized Data's status as a person when they allowed him to attend the Academy (in that episode, Data displays his commendations) and commissioned him as an officer.
Because I'm such a huge geek, I'll try to resolve some of the holes brought up before.
TERMINATOR
LORD OF THE RINGS
MASS EFFECT
STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES
Sidious found out about it and had Dooku kill Sifo-Dyas as his final Sith test. Dooku adjusted the clones' training regimen to include Order 66 and we all know what happened after that.
We know where they came from, but I can't find anything about where their equipment came from. My guess is that Sidious appropriated the funding as a line item in some obscure budget bill. I still don't have an answer how Sifo-Dyas made the down payment in the first place.
HALO: REACH
Star Trek: The Next Generation "The Measure of a Man." Starfleet wants to disassemble Data so they can reverse-engineer and mass-produce him. Data refuses, but Commander Bruce Maddox insists that Data can't because he's Starfleet property. Picard defends Data's rights as a sentient being at a tribunal. The judge advocate general concludes that Data is a person and subject to inalienable human rights.
Where's the plot hole? I believe Starfleet recognized Data's status as a person when they allowed him to attend the Academy (in that episode, Data displays his commendations) and commissioned him as an officer.
Because I'm such a huge geek, I'll try to resolve some of the holes brought up before.
TERMINATOR
We're not seeing the first change in the timeline, we're seeing at least the third.
* Timeline A-B: Sarah Connor has a kid, some company makes SkyNet, SkyNet tries to kill everyone. John-1 leads the Resistance and kicks SkyNet's ass. SkyNet sends a T-800 back to kill John before he's born.
* Timeline C-D: Sarah Connor overcomes the T-800 without help from the future. John-2 is born, the timeline continues as above until John-2 sends Kyle Reese back after the T-800 to protect his mother.
* Timeline E-F: The events of Terminator. Kyle Reese becomes John-3's father while helping Sarah defeat the T-800, gives her the information about Judgment Day, and ends up turning her into a raving lunatic. T2 continues from here.
* Timeline A-B: Sarah Connor has a kid, some company makes SkyNet, SkyNet tries to kill everyone. John-1 leads the Resistance and kicks SkyNet's ass. SkyNet sends a T-800 back to kill John before he's born.
* Timeline C-D: Sarah Connor overcomes the T-800 without help from the future. John-2 is born, the timeline continues as above until John-2 sends Kyle Reese back after the T-800 to protect his mother.
* Timeline E-F: The events of Terminator. Kyle Reese becomes John-3's father while helping Sarah defeat the T-800, gives her the information about Judgment Day, and ends up turning her into a raving lunatic. T2 continues from here.
LORD OF THE RINGS
It's the One Ring; the Eagles didn't want to go anywhere near it in fear of getting corrupted. I don't have the books with me, but I believe they responded to Gandalf's "Help me get the One Ring into Mount Doom" with something to the effect of "That's the One Freakin' Ring! We fly with that thing, we paint a huge-ass target on our beaks for Sauron and the Nazgul!"
MASS EFFECT
I got nothing re Jack's breakout. This plot hole could have been resolved with a line of dialogue from Jack to the effect that she blew a nearly-suicidal amount of power against the YMIR Mechs and that she could die if she did it again. Arbitrary display of power in cutscene: resolved.
STAR WARS: ATTACK OF THE CLONES
He foresaw darkness in the galaxy's future. The Republic did not have a standing national army and was relying more and more on the Jedi to solve its problems. Sifo-Dyas commissioned the army so the Republic would have a legitimate fighting force when the dark time came.Diddy_Mao said:
Sidious found out about it and had Dooku kill Sifo-Dyas as his final Sith test. Dooku adjusted the clones' training regimen to include Order 66 and we all know what happened after that.
We know where they came from, but I can't find anything about where their equipment came from. My guess is that Sidious appropriated the funding as a line item in some obscure budget bill. I still don't have an answer how Sifo-Dyas made the down payment in the first place.
HALO: REACH
The Package: Yes, it's Cortana in her 26th-century USB drive. She's not the Forerunner MacGuffin. She's decrypting/analyzing/doing something with the data on the artifact and eventually cracks the location of Installation 04 and learns that it's a Forerunner weapon, so she reroutes the Pillar of Autumn when it slips out of system and then Halo 1 begins.
Plot Hole: There's no in-game indication that Jun got to safety with Dr. Halsey. A radio call to say "We're safe; see you in orbit, Noble Six" would have been nice.
Plot Hole: There's no in-game indication that Jun got to safety with Dr. Halsey. A radio call to say "We're safe; see you in orbit, Noble Six" would have been nice.
When they killed Mace Windu in Star Wars
Mace Windu was played by Samuel L Jackson
How do you kill Samuel 'Motherfucking' L Jackson, hes the black chuck norris
Seriously though Uncharted made no sense:
1 - Nathan finds Drakes coffin under the sea (how did he know it was there?)
2 - Drakes diary has a page missing that Nathan finds in a Nazi U-boat (why didnt the nazis have the entire diary if they had the missing page?)
3 - Said Nazi U-boat is found on top of a waterfall (why is it there?)
4 - The waterfall is found on the first island. An island that Nathan only finds because he has the rest of the diary (how did the Nazis find it?)
5 - The Nazis in the U-boat were killed by the zombie things and yet you only see the zombie things when you get to the 2nd island
6 - Drake dies alone surrounded by the zombie things and yet somehow his diary is in a coffin under the sea (who put it in the coffin?)
Mace Windu was played by Samuel L Jackson
How do you kill Samuel 'Motherfucking' L Jackson, hes the black chuck norris
Seriously though Uncharted made no sense:
1 - Nathan finds Drakes coffin under the sea (how did he know it was there?)
2 - Drakes diary has a page missing that Nathan finds in a Nazi U-boat (why didnt the nazis have the entire diary if they had the missing page?)
3 - Said Nazi U-boat is found on top of a waterfall (why is it there?)
4 - The waterfall is found on the first island. An island that Nathan only finds because he has the rest of the diary (how did the Nazis find it?)
5 - The Nazis in the U-boat were killed by the zombie things and yet you only see the zombie things when you get to the 2nd island
6 - Drake dies alone surrounded by the zombie things and yet somehow his diary is in a coffin under the sea (who put it in the coffin?)
1. It is better then fucking losinggellert1984 said:1. They want to mine the area, nuking it from orbit is not conducive to civilian mining efforts. Even kinetic energy weapons are likely to really screw up the mining options.Littlee300 said:Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.
2. Bad strategy, fine you've now got this tank with guns etc, whats to stop a couple na'vi climbing on the tank from behind bashing the hatch open with rocks and knifing the crew to death?
3. I always thought of this in terms of velocity, when the na'vi's arrows are bouncing off the helo's they're firing along ballistic trajectories from stationary ground positions, the arrows lose a lot of power in flight due to wind/gravity/etc and hit the targets at odd angles. When they're popping arrows through helo's they're on those bird things, firing directly while diving, higher initial speed = higher potential damage added to by gravity, still lessened by wind resistance but what the hell right?
Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a ***** in space!
Also I would argue that the bows and arrows are hunting tools not war tools, Jake likely would have had them increase the draw strength and sharpen the arrows for a better armour piercing effect, but since this wasn't shown in the movie... *shrugs*
4. If you genuinely believe 'the bad guys won' take some classes on morality and see a shrink.
Edited to add cool paraphrase.
(And as i said in another post we are already killing earth without much remorse with not recycling and our cars etc) 2. Wait does their planets have like really tough rocks? (I don't think a sword can even do that) Anyways that tank driver deserves to die if he can't machine gun that navi climbing up
on the tank like it is no ones buisness
3.
WE use stem cells to revive Isaac Newton and have him be general!4. That was mostly a joke and you don't have to be pretentious. I am rooting for my race, sue me.
Oh so we are able to kill Earth with pollution but we can't fucking kill a foreign planet? ( I just I just)Wicky_42 said:Couple of answers to your questions are available on the official site.Littlee300 said:Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.
1) Orbital weaponry is banned from use by the corporation's interstellar exploitation contract - they're not allowed to sail over the galaxy nuking shit
Actually Dr.Halsey is rescued by master chief but I don't think he rescued Jun too.DarkSoldier84 said:
http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Master_chief Source for proof since some of escapist usually gets anal if I don't.
Probably been explained by a few people by now, but I'm to lazy to read trough all the pages.Hydrus said:
Cortana wasnt dug up, she split herself in two and one of her went with Halsey to collect the data in the ruins while the other part stayed with Keyes on the Pillar of Autumn. I think it is explained in Halseys journal that comes with the collectors edition of Reach.
Morality does not have a definition. It is entirely subjective and dependent on ones views on the world. Stop thinking "My morals = THE morals".gellert1984 said:1. They want to mine the area, nuking it from orbit is not conducive to civilian mining efforts. Even kinetic energy weapons are likely to really screw up the mining options.Littlee300 said:Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.
2. Bad strategy, fine you've now got this tank with guns etc, whats to stop a couple na'vi climbing on the tank from behind bashing the hatch open with rocks and knifing the crew to death?
3. I always thought of this in terms of velocity, when the na'vi's arrows are bouncing off the helo's they're firing along ballistic trajectories from stationary ground positions, the arrows lose a lot of power in flight due to wind/gravity/etc and hit the targets at odd angles. When they're popping arrows through helo's they're on those bird things, firing directly while diving, higher initial speed = higher potential damage added to by gravity, still lessened by wind resistance but what the hell right?
Sir Isaac Newton is the deadliest son of a ***** in space!
Also I would argue that the bows and arrows are hunting tools not war tools, Jake likely would have had them increase the draw strength and sharpen the arrows for a better armour piercing effect, but since this wasn't shown in the movie... *shrugs*
4. If you genuinely believe 'the bad guys won' take some classes on morality and see a shrink.
Edited to add cool paraphrase.
You know you could of just said: Resident Evil: The Movie right?badgersprite said:
OT: Why didn't the entire police deparment just look over the boats at least in the Dark Knight before moving people with it?
Yep, pretty much. I don't think there's much of a natural ecosystem left on Earth, so there's probably a bit of political pressure there to, at least ostensibly, avoid destroying other habitable worlds. If you think about it, would you let, say, Virgin or Mircosoft get first dibs on interstellar travel, find an almost magically perfect planet with abundant resources, and then nuke it to oblivion? That limit makes sense to me.Littlee300 said:Oh so we are able to kill Earth with pollution but we can't fucking kill a foreign planet? ( I just I just)Wicky_42 said:Couple of answers to your questions are available on the official site.Littlee300 said:Avatar
1. Why didn't you orbital bomb those tree huggers
2. Just drop two tank on top of their main base
3. How they are able to sharpen the spears but they can go through bullet proof gas. I mean if you can sharpen them, so they can't be too hard... (my logic may be flawed, don't be ass holes when proving it)
4. Maybe I am just being a baby because the bad guys won.
1) Orbital weaponry is banned from use by the corporation's interstellar exploitation contract - they're not allowed to sail over the galaxy nuking shit
Kane utters his last words "Rosebud" yet while no one is around to hear them the film is about trying to discover what his last words mean...The butler even says he was in the room when Kane died but you do not see him and Kane's body is only discovered moments later when his nurse enters.
Transformers 2: So Sam finds out that a piece of the all-spark can resurrect a Transformer, as seen with Megatron, who kills Optimus Prime. So he goes to a Museum with the last shard to revive a senile transformer to tell him how to revive Optimus Prime. Really?
@ LOTR: Gandalf spent almost three books convincing the eagles who didn't want to get involved in the war like the Ents. Which wasn't shown in the movies.
@ Aeris dying. A phoenix down recovers from fainting not death.
@ Dragon Ball: Trunks and Goten were supposed to go with Goku to space, but Pan got inside the ship and launched it before Goten could go inside, leaving Goku with Pan and Trunks
@ LOTR: Gandalf spent almost three books convincing the eagles who didn't want to get involved in the war like the Ents. Which wasn't shown in the movies.
@ Aeris dying. A phoenix down recovers from fainting not death.
@ Dragon Ball: Trunks and Goten were supposed to go with Goku to space, but Pan got inside the ship and launched it before Goten could go inside, leaving Goku with Pan and Trunks